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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 14:58:47 GMT
I think (my opinion, not from anything I've heard), that if Francis was still getting on with Alan at the time, that the reason for him pulling out of any FF recordings/releases might have been because he didn't want the FF and CQ to confuse the public, and he didn't want the resurrection of the FF to overshadow/reduce the appeal of the current band. Also, after the 2014 tour he'd decided that he didn't want to carry on touring with the FF, and so by releasing an EP this would probably have brought pressure/obligations to work and tour with Alan and John (and he remembered that 30 years before he'd decided that he didn't want to do that)! I think he felt that he'd done his bit for Alan, John, and the FF fans by doing 2 tours and he decided that his obligations and enjoyment (and power) lay with the current band. Just my thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 15:01:32 GMT
I actually think there might be a market for a PLC project if it's handled carefully and promoted well. And Mr Porter tends not to miss an opportunity. But a fly in the ointment might be who owns the rights to who. Mike Hrano was Rick's manager, not Simon Porter, so if Mike thinks he was shafted a few years ago, he might be less than enthusiastic I appreciate that PLC would be a separate project but Rick's solo material might be in Mike's hands. I don't actually know any of this. I'm just speculating. As we do on here. Personally i would much prefer to see Mike manage the project, and Porter kept as far away from it as possible
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 15:15:14 GMT
What would you deem as non authentic, out of interest ? Its fairly obvious that any album that does eventually get released will be demo's finished off I'd not want anybody to use his name for their own stuff, for marketing reasons or other reasons only distantly related to Rick. Think he deserves this. I totally agree with you, ahem! what about someone using the brand name then ?!
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Post by snakelady on Nov 5, 2017 8:56:55 GMT
I'd not want anybody to use his name for their own stuff, for marketing reasons or other reasons only distantly related to Rick. Think he deserves this. I totally agree with you, ahem! what about someone using the brand name then ?! That someone doesn't use it, he is the most important part of the brand (as proven when the record company wouldn't accept any line-up without him as Status Quo) and he owns at least half of the name .. And yes the sound has changed - as it had before when Roy left, when the drummers were exchanged, .. and actually without any member leaving as well. Had they changed the name every time that happened it would've been mighty confusing. I agree that Mike Hrano would probably be the best choice to look after Rick's stuff now. Simon Porter had the connections and got Rick the record and book deal, but for him the band will always come first. Not sure what to make of WM. I don't much rate his songwriting abilities and he's merely a musician himself with his own band. He sure is a friend yes, but not suited to deal with Rick's stuff IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 16:11:06 GMT
I totally agree with you, ahem! what about someone using the brand name then ?! That someone doesn't use it, he is the most important part of the brand (as proven when the record company wouldn't accept any line-up without him as Status Quo) and he owns at least half of the name .. And yes the sound has changed - as it had before when Roy left, when the drummers were exchanged, .. and actually without any member leaving as well. Had they changed the name every time that happened it would've been mighty confusing. I agree that Mike Hrano would probably be the best choice to look after Rick's stuff now. Simon Porter had the connections and got Rick the record and book deal, but for him the band will always come first. Not sure what to make of WM. I don't much rate his songwriting abilities and he's merely a musician himself with his own band. He sure is a friend yes, but not suited to deal with Rick's stuff IMO. The band calling themselves SQ will not earn as much income as they did when Parfitt was there, that's my prediction & the many U turns this year would indicate their desperation for money. So you are stating that in your'e opinion Rossi is NOT now using the brand name ?!! ( his motto should be "never mind the quality count the dosh" )
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 7, 2017 13:07:22 GMT
That someone doesn't use it, he is the most important part of the brand (as proven when the record company wouldn't accept any line-up without him as Status Quo) and he owns at least half of the name .. And yes the sound has changed - as it had before when Roy left, when the drummers were exchanged, .. and actually without any member leaving as well. Had they changed the name every time that happened it would've been mighty confusing. I agree that Mike Hrano would probably be the best choice to look after Rick's stuff now. Simon Porter had the connections and got Rick the record and book deal, but for him the band will always come first. Not sure what to make of WM. I don't much rate his songwriting abilities and he's merely a musician himself with his own band. He sure is a friend yes, but not suited to deal with Rick's stuff IMO. The band calling themselves SQ will not earn as much income as they did when Parfitt was there, that's my prediction & the many U turns this year would indicate their desperation for money. So you are stating that in your'e opinion Rossi is NOT now using the brand name ?!! ( his motto should be "never mind the quality count the dosh" ) I think the current band situation is a difficult one, and lots of people will have lots of different opinions on it.
Essentially, Francis has never left the band (I know they had a break in 84/85). So he's kind of not made a decision, he's kind of just kept going. Someone leaves, you replace them and carry on; you're not happy with someone, you sack them, replace them and carry on; someone has a heart attack, you get a stand in and carry on; someone dies, you replace them and carry on. If you think it's 'your' band, if it's your primary source of income, if you think you can keep it going....well that's what he's done. And if Rick had done the same, I wouldn't have begrudged him it either. As the fans, the general public, our only decision is whether to spend money on it or not.
Anyway, that wasn't what the thread was about......
Anyone got any news on Rick's solo's album?
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Post by mortified on Nov 7, 2017 13:17:37 GMT
The band calling themselves SQ will not earn as much income as they did when Parfitt was there, that's my prediction & the many U turns this year would indicate their desperation for money. So you are stating that in your'e opinion Rossi is NOT now using the brand name ?!! ( his motto should be "never mind the quality count the dosh" )
Essentially, Francis has never left the band (I know they had a break in 84/85). So he's kind of not made a decision, he's kind of just kept going. Someone leaves, you replace them and carry on; you're not happy with someone, you sack them, replace them and carry on; someone has a heart attack, you get a stand in and carry on; someone dies, you replace them and carry on. If you think it's 'your' band, if it's your primary source of income, if you think you can keep it going....well that's what he's done. And if Rick had done the same, I wouldn't have begrudged him it either. As the fans, the general public, our only decision is whether to spend money on it or not.
Quite simple when you put it like that. And actually true
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 18:16:39 GMT
Ah so defender of SP too now then, hardly surprising given that Rossi pulls his strings It's got nothing to do with defending SP as there is nothing to defend. He didn't make a mistake. He looked well after Rick. According to your theories and if Francis were pulling the strings, wouldn't he have prevented that Rick wrote another 'revealing' biog ? The only possible answer is: Either he did not pull the strings or he had nothing to hide or most probable - both ! SP has nothing to defend ?! really ?! ok,fair enough so that's your'e opinion, mine differs greatly. And to clarify, you are saying that Rossi did NOT pull the strings in the band
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 7, 2017 18:39:47 GMT
It's got nothing to do with defending SP as there is nothing to defend. He didn't make a mistake. He looked well after Rick. According to your theories and if Francis were pulling the strings, wouldn't he have prevented that Rick wrote another 'revealing' biog ? The only possible answer is: Either he did not pull the strings or he had nothing to hide or most probable - both ! SP has nothing to defend ?! really ?! ok,fair enough so that's your'e opinion, mine differs greatly. And to clarify, you are saying that Rossi did NOT pull the strings in the band I think she means that if Francis controlled 'everything', he would have stopped Rick getting a contract for his own book.....so in other words, he didn't control everything, or wasn't bothered about stopping the book.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 18:42:24 GMT
SP has nothing to defend ?! really ?! ok,fair enough so that's your'e opinion, mine differs greatly. And to clarify, you are saying that Rossi did NOT pull the strings in the band I think she means that if Francis controlled 'everything', he would have stopped Rick getting a contract for his own book.....so in other words, he didn't control everything, or wasn't bothered about stopping the book. He would had been very bothered at some of the alleged content, and him and his paid stooge Porter would have blocked its release, of that I am certain
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 7, 2017 18:57:35 GMT
I think she means that if Francis controlled 'everything', he would have stopped Rick getting a contract for his own book.....so in other words, he didn't control everything, or wasn't bothered about stopping the book. He would had been very bothered at some of the alleged content, and him and his paid stooge Porter would have blocked its release, of that I am certain But Porter helped Rick get the book contract?
I think they are more likely to work on the basis that no publicity is bad publicity....it all raises the profile of the band.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 19:05:30 GMT
He would had been very bothered at some of the alleged content, and him and his paid stooge Porter would have blocked its release, of that I am certain But Porter helped Rick get the book contract?
I think they are more likely to work on the basis that no publicity is bad publicity....it all raises the profile of the band.
Do not believe all you read, do you really think Porter would have allowed that book to be published given some of the planned contents ?
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 7, 2017 19:16:07 GMT
But Porter helped Rick get the book contract?
I think they are more likely to work on the basis that no publicity is bad publicity....it all raises the profile of the band.
Do not believe all you read, do you really think Porter would have allowed that book to be published given some of the planned contents ? Well I do.....as I said, I think Porter and Rossi probably work on the basis that all publicity is good publicity. Rick was 'out of the band' so to speak, so Rick and Francis didn't particularly have to get on well anymore, it didn't affect the harmony within the band. I think they would have let it come out....in actual fact they might not have been able to stop it (as snakelady said earlier)!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 20:29:24 GMT
Do not believe all you read, do you really think Porter would have allowed that book to be published given some of the planned contents ? Well I do.....as I said, I think Porter and Rossi probably work on the basis that all publicity is good publicity. Rick was 'out of the band' so to speak, so Rick and Francis didn't particularly have to get on well anymore, it didn't affect the harmony within the band. I think they would have let it come out....in actual fact they might not have been able to stop it (as snakelady said earlier)! No way would Rossi have allowed some TRUTH about him being published by rick, RPJ hinted a while ago he knows what really happened, plus the way they treated his father in his last months,,, I look foreward to him hopefully telling us, Rossi & Porter will no doubt threaten to try and sue him for daring to tell the truth though, seeing Rossi fans trying to dispute Ricks sons own words will be highly amusing. I believe that the Rossi/Parfitt friendship broke down after the renunion gigs
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Post by smokie on Nov 7, 2017 21:56:26 GMT
The TRUTH? That would be Rick's version of it of course.
Francis, Andy, Rhino and Leon would all have opinions on that too of course.
As for RJP's comments, I'd take them with a large pinch of salt. He only knew what his Dad told him and I'd imagine it was fairly one sided.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 8, 2017 9:22:17 GMT
Well I do.....as I said, I think Porter and Rossi probably work on the basis that all publicity is good publicity. Rick was 'out of the band' so to speak, so Rick and Francis didn't particularly have to get on well anymore, it didn't affect the harmony within the band. I think they would have let it come out....in actual fact they might not have been able to stop it (as snakelady said earlier)! No way would Rossi have allowed some TRUTH about him being published by rick, RPJ hinted a while ago he knows what really happened, plus the way they treated his father in his last months,,, I look foreward to him hopefully telling us, Rossi & Porter will no doubt threaten to try and sue him for daring to tell the truth though, seeing Rossi fans trying to dispute Ricks sons own words will be highly amusing. I believe that the Rossi/Parfitt friendship broke down after the renunion gigs Sorry Ive, but this is ridiculous. RPJ had lost his dad and hurt for it, but he'd not have had inside information into Quo. And isn't it normal that a son puts his dad on a pedestal and doesn't want to know about bad sides or mistakes of his, especially now he's dead ? All he can tell is his opinion or how he or has seen things but not TRUTHS. Simon Porter did fly to Spain to personally talk to Rick after he had negotiated the book and record deals for him. That's just a fact. No way would he then have prevented a release of either. How to achieve that anyway once the deal was signed ? It would've been much easier to not try to get a deal and tell Rick 'sorry, but it didn't work out', if he was such a lying bastard. But he didn't, he did what a friend would've done. A manager wouldn't have flown over to Spain. I too think that Rick's behaviour during the second FF put some strain on the relationship with Francis. Rick had a funny and charming personality, but he only ever cared about himself and he wasn't known for responsible behaviour either .. That was threat to the whole band and Francis does feel responsible for it. So I suppose he may have told Rick in no uncertain words to get his act together. That's all speculation of course, merely derived from their general personalities and could be completely wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 11:47:23 GMT
No way would Rossi have allowed some TRUTH about him being published by rick, RPJ hinted a while ago he knows what really happened, plus the way they treated his father in his last months,,, I look foreward to him hopefully telling us, Rossi & Porter will no doubt threaten to try and sue him for daring to tell the truth though, seeing Rossi fans trying to dispute Ricks sons own words will be highly amusing. I believe that the Rossi/Parfitt friendship broke down after the renunion gigs Sorry Ive, but this is ridiculous. RPJ had lost his dad and hurt for it, but he'd not have had inside information into Quo. And isn't it normal that a son puts his dad on a pedestal and doesn't want to know about bad sides or mistakes of his, especially now he's dead ? All he can tell is his opinion or how he or has seen things but not TRUTHS. Simon Porter did fly to Spain to personally talk to Rick after he had negotiated the book and record deals for him. That's just a fact. No way would he then have prevented a release of either. How to achieve that anyway once the deal was signed ? It would've been much easier to not try to get a deal and tell Rick 'sorry, but it didn't work out', if he was such a lying bastard. But he didn't, he did what a friend would've done. A manager wouldn't have flown over to Spain. I too think that Rick's behaviour during the second FF put some strain on the relationship with Francis. Rick had a funny and charming personality, but he only ever cared about himself and he wasn't known for responsible behaviour either .. That was threat to the whole band and Francis does feel responsible for it. So I suppose he may have told Rick in no uncertain words to get his act together. That's all speculation of course, merely derived from their general personalities and could be completely wrong. So you do not believe his dad may have told him stuff then ? Porter was in it for the money, he knew there would be demand for Rick stuff Ah, so it was Ricks fault for putting a strain on the relationship then ?! REALLY ?!!, Rick and the other 3 band members were united in what they hoped for, a certain person wasn't, so pulled his usual card of "its my band I will do what I want otherwise I will flounce",,, again All IMVHO
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Post by viking55 on Nov 8, 2017 14:05:20 GMT
Yes it was TOTALLY Ricks fault. He acted irresponsibly during the second FF tour. With no thought taken for -: 1. His own health and well being. Especially if he was so desperate for the project to succeed ! 2. No consideration for his mate who after all was a recovering addict from Drugs and alcohol.
If he was any sort of man or at last grown up he should have taken some responsibility going forward. Unfortunately he didn’t do either ! Sadly because he was a flawed individual. Ok we can feel sad for him for that but nowt to do with the rest of the band causing it. All brought on by himself. His responsibility ! And so let’s see how you can turn that one into Francis fault Ive ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 15:31:25 GMT
Yes it was TOTALLY Ricks fault. He acted irresponsibly during the second FF tour. With no thought taken for -: 1. His own health and well being. Especially if he was so desperate for the project to succeed ! 2. No consideration for his mate who after all was a recovering addict from Drugs and alcohol. If he was any sort of man or at last grown up he should have taken some responsibility going forward. Unfortunately he didn’t do either ! Sadly because he was a flawed individual. Ok we can feel sad for him for that but nowt to do with the rest of the band causing it. All brought on by himself. His responsibility ! And so let’s see how you can turn that one into Francis fault Ive ? The relationship between them was knackered before the FF reunion gigs, those gigs simply finished it off, do you not remember the UK tour where Rick went by car to the venues,, likely cos he couldn't stand being on the tour bus with Rossi, I cannot fault him for that at all Maybe during their break in 2018 the band can understand one word, that word is RESPECT, as they have IMHO shown none to Rick during this past year, and their pathetic attempt at a tribute to him was indeed pathetic luckily others were not so disrespectful, and Minehead gave him the tribute he so fully deserved. Many will ever forget the actions and BS/U turns from the Rossi & Friends band during 2017
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Post by snakelady on Nov 8, 2017 17:34:29 GMT
Yes it was TOTALLY Ricks fault. He acted irresponsibly during the second FF tour. With no thought taken for -: 1. His own health and well being. Especially if he was so desperate for the project to succeed ! 2. No consideration for his mate who after all was a recovering addict from Drugs and alcohol. If he was any sort of man or at last grown up he should have taken some responsibility going forward. Unfortunately he didn’t do either ! Sadly because he was a flawed individual. Ok we can feel sad for him for that but nowt to do with the rest of the band causing it. All brought on by himself. His responsibility ! And so let’s see how you can turn that one into Francis fault Ive ? You left out the most important point of all: Rick kept repeating how he'd love to see his twins grow up. Hm, actually that wording shows how it was all about himself for Rick. He should've said 'I intend to do everything to make sure my twins grow up with a dad as long as possible'. @irp Remember the filming of Bula Quo and how various band and production members afterwards said that having to work together side by side for hours every day brought Francis and Rick together closer than they had been for a long time. And during the first FF tour there was an obvious we (the pros) and they (the amateurs) in (nearly) all interviews from both F+R. They were still close after that tour, that much was obvious. It was the second tour when Rick started to party on the other bus that things went wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 20:47:50 GMT
Yes it was TOTALLY Ricks fault. He acted irresponsibly during the second FF tour. With no thought taken for -: 1. His own health and well being. Especially if he was so desperate for the project to succeed ! 2. No consideration for his mate who after all was a recovering addict from Drugs and alcohol. If he was any sort of man or at last grown up he should have taken some responsibility going forward. Unfortunately he didn’t do either ! Sadly because he was a flawed individual. Ok we can feel sad for him for that but nowt to do with the rest of the band causing it. All brought on by himself. His responsibility ! And so let’s see how you can turn that one into Francis fault Ive ? You left out the most important point of all: Rick kept repeating how he'd love to see his twins grow up. Hm, actually that wording shows how it was all about himself for Rick. He should've said 'I intend to do everything to make sure my twins grow up with a dad as long as possible'. @irp Remember the filming of Bula Quo and how various band and production members afterwards said that having to work together side by side for hours every day brought Francis and Rick together closer than they had been for a long time. And during the first FF tour there was an obvious we (the pros) and they (the amateurs) in (nearly) all interviews from both F+R. They were still close after that tour, that much was obvious. It was the second tour when Rick started to party on the other bus that things went wrong. Ah so now you are saying Rick did not care for his kids ?
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 10, 2017 13:29:58 GMT
Yes it was TOTALLY Ricks fault. He acted irresponsibly during the second FF tour. With no thought taken for -: 1. His own health and well being. Especially if he was so desperate for the project to succeed ! 2. No consideration for his mate who after all was a recovering addict from Drugs and alcohol. If he was any sort of man or at last grown up he should have taken some responsibility going forward. Unfortunately he didn’t do either ! Sadly because he was a flawed individual. Ok we can feel sad for him for that but nowt to do with the rest of the band causing it. All brought on by himself. His responsibility ! And so let’s see how you can turn that one into Francis fault Ive ? The relationship between them was knackered before the FF reunion gigs, those gigs simply finished it off, do you not remember the UK tour where Rick went by car to the venues,, likely cos he couldn't stand being on the tour bus with Rossi, I cannot fault him for that at all Maybe during their break in 2018 the band can understand one word, that word is RESPECT, as they have IMHO shown none to Rick during this past year, and their pathetic attempt at a tribute to him was indeed pathetic luckily others were not so disrespectful, and Minehead gave him the tribute he so fully deserved. Many will ever forget the actions and BS/U turns from the Rossi & Friends band during 2017 Wasn't it just 2015 (or maybe 2014) when Rick drove round the UK tour?
And we don't actually know why that was. Of course it could well have been due to his relationship with Frame or the rest of the band; but it could have been to stop himself drinking after the gig, or another reason?
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Post by smokie on Nov 10, 2017 14:24:09 GMT
I presumed he drove himself around the country in an effort to stop himself drinking heavily post concert.
Don’t suppose we’ll ever find out why though.
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Post by viking55 on Nov 10, 2017 16:30:01 GMT
Wasn’t there a quote that he drove himself around because he had bought s new car and wanted to use it driving around on that Tour ??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 18:28:01 GMT
Wasn't it just 2015 (or maybe 2014) when Rick drove round the UK tour?
And we don't actually know why that was. Of course it could well have been due to his relationship with Frame or the rest of the band; but it could have been to stop himself drinking after the gig, or another reason?
How about this then: Maybe he was just taking the car he "secretly" bought when back in England for a spin? Maybe he was on his way to meet with his son(s)? Or to meet friends or some blonde lady? Maybe he just wanted to go and watch some car racing somewhere? To consult a heart specialist? ... ... ... It was his favourite toy after all. No, we don't actually know, and maybe we never will. All possible valid reasons, I agree, but then again so is my reason to, EQUALLY
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