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Post by ant on Mar 13, 2017 9:51:48 GMT
Yeah, indeed - and it's great like that as a tribute. I commented on your version in the Rick section. It's not how Rick meant to release it though and I think, as it hasn't been released before, the release should stay true to the original. Or you'd have to make it a 2CD version, same as the recent RAOTW remix, so people can at least compare old and new sound/mix .. Personally I'm not convinced by the quality of songs from RD. Just because RD is from Rick and Rick's dead now doesn't make a good enough reason for a release IMO. The band will have 100s of demos of songs written by any single one of them, which were deemed either not good enough or not suited for a Quo album. Should they all be released as well ? Well, from a fans POV I guess the answer is yes - would make a nice box set 'rejected demos' similar to the BBC box set, but I'm not so sure about a release as a regular album .. Fair views. I'm not one of those blind loyalty fans who will buy anything released regardless of quality but I would like the opportunity to hear more of RD since I actually like a number of the tracks which appeared as b-sides and I think My Baby is a great song. The 2CD idea is a good one if the integrity of the original needs to be maintained as well as an up to date sound, though it will sound horribly dated now with that awful 80s snare drum sound and will cost more. If the tracks are never to be released officially it would be easy for management to do some form of poll to see if a fan club only release would be viable, or crowdfunding - if not enough people respond to fund the re-record/re-mix/re-master then we have an answer. So my comments are about the music, not Rick sycophancy (rickophancy?)
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Post by snakelady on Mar 14, 2017 6:57:29 GMT
Yeah, indeed - and it's great like that as a tribute. I commented on your version in the Rick section. It's not how Rick meant to release it though and I think, as it hasn't been released before, the release should stay true to the original. Or you'd have to make it a 2CD version, same as the recent RAOTW remix, so people can at least compare old and new sound/mix .. Personally I'm not convinced by the quality of songs from RD. Just because RD is from Rick and Rick's dead now doesn't make a good enough reason for a release IMO. The band will have 100s of demos of songs written by any single one of them, which were deemed either not good enough or not suited for a Quo album. Should they all be released as well ? Well, from a fans POV I guess the answer is yes - would make a nice box set 'rejected demos' similar to the BBC box set, but I'm not so sure about a release as a regular album .. Fair views. I'm not one of those blind loyalty fans who will buy anything released regardless of quality but I would like the opportunity to hear more of RD since I actually like a number of the tracks which appeared as b-sides and I think My Baby is a great song. The 2CD idea is a good one if the integrity of the original needs to be maintained as well as an up to date sound, though it will sound horribly dated now with that awful 80s snare drum sound and will cost more. If the tracks are never to be released officially it would be easy for management to do some form of poll to see if a fan club only release would be viable, or crowdfunding - if not enough people respond to fund the re-record/re-mix/re-master then we have an answer. So my comments are about the music, not Rick sycophancy (rickophancy?) - I get where you're coming from. To not release material that's been recorded and basically is ready for release does indeed feel like a waste in a way. After all we're Quo fans, we're bound to look forward to Quo output that we know already exists and more so when it's clear that there won't be any more new songs from a band member. Not every fan is going to buy it, naturally, but then Francis', Andy's or Rhino's solo albums haven't been bought by all fans either. But it's good to have the option, even if it's download only. That should work in any case without it becoming too costly - I'm not sure how reliable a poll would be ..
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Post by mortified on Mar 14, 2017 11:45:32 GMT
(rickophancy?) Great word! I'm not sure how reliable a poll would be .. I think any poll would have to be done through FTMO. They've never done it in the past so I doubt it'll happen now. But imagine polling fan club members if they'd like official releases (even if just through FTMO) of things like Swedish Radio Sessions, the Milton Keynes gig or any other gems they could find? Not the worst idea but not going to happen. To be fair, we've had quite a lot of late. These last 10 years or so have given us a mountain of stuff. So much so that its been hard to keep up. But I do try
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Post by snakelady on Mar 21, 2017 16:47:30 GMT
I'm not sure how reliable a poll would be .. I think any poll would have to be done through FTMO. They've never done it in the past so I doubt it'll happen now. But imagine polling fan club members if they'd like official releases (even if just through FTMO) of things like Swedish Radio Sessions, the Milton Keynes gig or any other gems they could find? Not the worst idea but not going to happen. To be fair, we've had quite a lot of late. These last 10 years or so have given us a mountain of stuff. So much so that its been hard to keep up. But I do try I'd assume once the band has called it a day, we'll be drip fed all that stuff via 'special editions'. 'Exclusive' and 'rare' footage including all kinds of demos will surface once every year (before Christmas) thus providing us with 'new' Quo stuff for yet another 10 years at least. For now I'd actually prefer an electric album of new material though.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 9, 2017 7:21:49 GMT
Somehow it has become suspiciously quiet concerning Rick's solo album. I hadn't thought about it in a while till smokie posed the question in the shout box. I can't help but think that it reminds me of the memorial for Rick. Big announcements first - and then nothing .. Maybe the problems are the same as the ones they're facing with the memorial or all the other stuff Rick left behind: Various factions of the family fighting over it and in consequence nothing can be done. I'd assume Lindsay has the rights to the stuff, to Rick's part at least, as they were still married and if there's friction between her and RPJ he won't be able to release anything by himself and him working on it with members of Quo won't be an option either. And she'd need other musicians to finish and record the songs. Around or even prior to the funeral that rag DM implied that the family were fighting over the heritage and I considered it tasteless. Looks like they did have some inside info though and something was already going on even then. There seems to be a lot of jealousy involved among the various families Rick had in succession. He obviously happily popped up at the one of choice of the moment, never considering the hurt it caused to the others (Marietta is looking stunning - let's return to her and leave Patty behind, Lindsay is bothering me with demands - let's return to Patty and have some fun, .. ). Basically it's no surprise they can't stand each other .. So will that album see the light of day ? My guess would be a cautious yes for various reasons including money, prestige and for Rick, but it'll take time for the formalities to be sorted out ..
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Post by quolion on Aug 9, 2017 11:30:57 GMT
...I don't know why but I've some feelings we won't be getting a Parfitt Solo Album. I'm sure EarMusic and Management prefer a new Status Quo Album with some "new tracks" by Rick. A sort of "Made in Heaven" by Queen... For commercial reasons there's no option. The question is, what is Francis doing and is Family Business sorted out...
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Post by smokie on Aug 9, 2017 12:24:34 GMT
The more I think about it, I'm beginning to think that family squabbles probably is behind the delay of the release of the album. I hope not but it was mentioned on here a while ago in another thread that there were posts on Face Book suggesting that the delay of the memorial was due to tensions between Rick's family and ex's.
Also, SP was quoted as saying that Rick had completed guitars/vocals on 9 or 10 tracks. Perhaps another reason for the delay being the lack of material? I think Quo record more than 10 when they go into a studio. Perhaps the quality just isn't there?
If it is family that is delaying things, then I think that is really sad. They should think about Rick instead of themselves.
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Post by mortified on Aug 9, 2017 12:25:01 GMT
....a new Status Quo Album with some "new tracks" by Rick. A sort of "Made in Heaven" by Queen... Quite an interesting suggestion that. And not beyond the realms. In fact, it appeals to me. A lot But, like everyone else, I get the impression there are things going on behind the scenes that are, for the moment, preventing any Rick solo stuff from coming out. We could all be wrong I suppose but it has gone very quiet on a number of fronts.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 10, 2017 6:05:15 GMT
I had been wondering about the inclusion on a new Quo album too, but thought it too improbable to mention.
There'd have to be a Quo album in the pipeline in the first place, the electric variety. Then all holding any rights to Rick's songs would have to agree. I'm sure Lindsay would be quite happy about it - the material is of no use for her and it would generate some money for her and the twins - not sure about whoever else is involved with it though. They might see better (financial) possibilities for themselves, keeping it for an own album and away from the band.
Then there's the quality of the material. They might be 9-10 songs, but I doubt they'd be good enough for a Quo album - at least most of them, given Rick's contributions as a songwriter over the last nearly four decades.
They'd probably think about including 2-3 tracks taking the best out of the bunch and that could actually work. It would mean though, that the others would have to contribute a substantial number of tracks as well. Leading to the question if they've written with Quo in mind and is the outcome good enough ?
I'd actually love an electric Quo album with new material. Would be interesting to see if Leon and Ritchie would contribute to the material too. And the sound would probably be different as well. The last original record, Bula Quo, still had Matt and Rick involved. Them being replaced with two new guys has to have consequences.
Main obstacle from my POV though is: Is Francis interested in a new Quo album at all ? I can't answer that. Up till recently I'd have said he definitely isn't. Actually I think he's in the process of making his mind up whether there's a future for the band, whether he wants it to continue and whether the fans would still show enough interest. Management must've considered the LNOTE sales promising ..
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Post by mortified on Aug 10, 2017 7:46:54 GMT
The last original record, Bula Quo, still had Matt and Rick involved.... ....Main obstacle from my POV though is: Is Francis interested in a new Quo album at all ? I can't answer that. Up till recently I'd have said he definitely isn't. Actually I think he's in the process of making his mind up whether there's a future for the band, whether he wants it to continue and whether the fans would still show enough interest. Management must've considered the LNOTE sales promising .. Bula Quo was sort of forced upon them. I remember them saying in FTMO at the time that they HAD to go in and write some songs because of the whole soundtrack thing. So it was all a bit rushed. But the results were pretty good I thought. When they're left to their own devices, they have become much less productive (as a band) and if we take Bula Quo out of the equation the last normal album of new material was over 6 years ago. By my estimation that's the longest gap in Quo's career. None of us knows what the recording contract will be or for how many albums but Aquostic II was only last year. As far as marketing and sales is concerned, that's the last Quo studio album. New material is academic. Which is a bit of a pity. As for Francis, I don't think there's too much change there. Like you say, Rick was never prolific so the shot-calling remains the same. I like to think the unrecorded material that Rick left behind is half decent. It depends what his state of mind was when he was writing. But if he thought he was back in 1984 it could be as bad as Back To Back! :oo:
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Post by smokie on Aug 10, 2017 8:34:03 GMT
One thing, only my opinion of course, that might interest Francis is committing to a new album is that now more than ever, he'll definitely be calling the shots. With respect to Andy and Rhino, I don't thing they'll have the same power of veto that Rick had. Rightly or wrongly, I think Francis has a very definite opinion as to what is right and what is wrong musically for the band. In the past, he may have had to go along with things that he didn't like or rate but I don't think that would happen now.
Off topic but I've been wondering why Rick wasn't a fan a ISOTFC album. Could it have been because he felt Pip listened to Francis too much as opposed to the rest of the band? It's interesting (I think ) if you look at the production credits for Quid Pro Quo. I think I'm right in saying that the songs that Rick penned for that album where all produced by Mike Paxman. There's other credits, Francis produced a couple, as did Pip but Rick's songs were all produced by MP.
So, if there is another album and I would still like to hear something new, then I think Francis will very much be in charge.
Obviously, I have no idea what any recording contract is like, or even if they still have one but I wouldn't be surprised if the Aquostic one had clauses if the current one sold X amount then the band would record another but after A2, I think that exercise is now dead in the water. Perhaps more Aquostic shows will be booked but I don't think there'll be anymore albums. If there ever is another album, then I reckon it will be electric.
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Post by mortified on Aug 10, 2017 9:37:06 GMT
Yeah, I thought the production credits on Quid Pro Quo were quite odd as well. It was also all very piecemeal in terms of what instruments were added and when, although the final outcome was pretty good. My principal concern at the moment is that the new songs on the last Aquostic album were a little underwhelming to say the least. The entire Rhino's Revenge album has blown those well out of the water. Francis's taste and mine - and indeed maybe most Quo fan's - are now quite different. How he managed to write something like Two Way Traffic is a surprise and I can only assume that the force was strong with Rhino on that one I just don't see why - and I never have - a Quo album needs to sound like a Quo album. If you see what I mean. They continually talk about songs being unsuitable or being "Quo'ed up". Just write and record. Forget the formula. Those days should be gone.
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Post by smokie on Aug 10, 2017 11:56:21 GMT
I think Rhino has a pretty good idea as to how Quo should sound and it's his collaborations over the past few years that have been amongst my favourites. I'm thinking of Heavy Traffic, The Oriental (I know, hated by many...), Two Way Traffic, Dust To Gold but there's a few more that I could name. Is Rhino a good influence when he writes with Francis or vice versa? Probably the former?
I agree, just write and go and record. Why does it have to sound like Quo? I bet if a song like Claudie appeared now it would be slaughtered but it's on Hello so it's a classic (which I obviously think it is by the way ).
I know what you mean by Francis' taste but I'm still a huge fan of the One Step At A Time album.
I'm sure the sum parts are still capable of producing something great.
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Post by mortified on Aug 10, 2017 13:05:00 GMT
Yeah, I like Francis's last solo album as well. I had my doubts when I heard the single in advance but I was pleasantly surprised. Francis thought Faded Memory was the weakest track on there and for once I agree.
Rhino has been at the heart of Quo's best material for quite a few years now. Certainly any tracks that have a bit of an 'edge' you can almost guarantee have him somewhere in the composition credits.
The sum of all parts has usually got the job done so I'm confident any future studio album, if there was ever to be one, would be good. I think the acoustic thing might be dragged out and dusted down occasionally for the odd gig but it's run it's course. It was never going to have the legs to sustain constant touring. I think there were one or two wake-up calls in the summer. A tent at Glastonbury is one thing; a theatre tour every year is something else entirely.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 11, 2017 6:43:20 GMT
One thing, only my opinion of course, that might interest Francis is committing to a new album is that now more than ever, he'll definitely be calling the shots. With respect to Andy and Rhino, I don't thing they'll have the same power of veto that Rick had. Rightly or wrongly, I think Francis has a very definite opinion as to what is right and what is wrong musically for the band. In the past, he may have had to go along with things that he didn't like or rate but I don't think that would happen now.
Off topic but I've been wondering why Rick wasn't a fan a ISOTFC album. Could it have been because he felt Pip listened to Francis too much as opposed to the rest of the band? It's interesting (I think ) if you look at the production credits for Quid Pro Quo. I think I'm right in saying that the songs that Rick penned for that album where all produced by Mike Paxman. There's other credits, Francis produced a couple, as did Pip but Rick's songs were all produced by MP.
So, if there is another album and I would still like to hear something new, then I think Francis will very much be in charge.
Obviously, I have no idea what any recording contract is like, or even if they still have one but I wouldn't be surprised if the Aquostic one had clauses if the current one sold X amount then the band would record another but after A2, I think that exercise is now dead in the water. Perhaps more Aquostic shows will be booked but I don't think there'll be anymore albums. If there ever is another album, then I reckon it will be electric.
I doubt there'd be a difference about being in control for Francis. I remember an interview from maybe 1ß years ago where he answered when questioned about leadership, that he tries to lead the band as a democracy. I assume that's how it would be with another album as well. He'd listen to the others and if a majority would be against a track he'd usually give in. Apart from when something is really important to him, but in that case he'd tolerate tunes he's not too convinced of, but which are important to another band member too. I think out of the others Rhino has always been the most outspoken and not necessarily Rick, who seems to have been the compromising type. I'm sure Francis is not a kind of dictator, has never been - it would only cause bad blood and the band would've never lasted that long - but he's the one who makes the final decision. Majorities when voting will have shifted though - every new members adds their own individual taste. The main problem with Rick has probably been his work attitude. Even Rhino mentions it in one of last year's blogs. Not practising and only a minimum of rehearsals doesn't exactly work - not when preparing for gigs and not when recording new songs either. Guess that goes a lot smoother now, which would help with the recording process (and it would help with a new set too !). We know Rick has been friends with Pip once (before messing around with his wife) and I thought it had been rekindled. Maybe his use of MP as his producer had simply do to with time schedules and Rick not wanting to leave Spain ? We know that similar problems occurred when the band recorded A1 and Rick only came over for three quick days of recording. I don't consider Rhino by himself to be a good songwriter for Quo. He may lean towards the rockier stuff, but it lacks the melody that's so important for me. I absolutely love Fiji Time though - should be played at the summer festivals ! - so there are exceptions. And I think the Edwards/Rossi writing partnership is one of the best Quo have ever had, with or without Andy. Don't think there's a single song of theirs which I dislike. Concerning the acoustic stuff. I didn't much like A2 and somehow I had the feeling the band wasn't too convinced either. The choice of songs, heavily relying on singles and many 80s singles at that was just so wrong. IMO they should've kept to the melodic tunes and newer ones at that and not necessarily songs the wider public already knew. On the other hand, I doubt even that would've made much of a difference. If ever an album has been under- or mis-promoted it would have to be this. The only acoustic gig (Union Chapel doesn't count) at the time was Hyde Park and that was as close to their usual greatest hits set as it could get. In no way was it promoting A2. Otherwise they toured electric and basically ignored it. In consequence it's difficult to judge whether there's a future for more acoustic albums and tours. All I'm sure about is: If they do it, they've got to commit to it wholeheartedly and not treat it like some side project that will hopefully look after itself.
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Post by mortified on Aug 11, 2017 7:58:14 GMT
The second Aquostic album didn't seem to get the massive backing that the first one did. No idea why. Presumably those in charge of such things thought it would sell purely on the basis of the first one on which they'd spent quite a bit of money. Talk about not knowing your highly paid job in this day and age! I don't know about other gigs this year but they only played 3 songs from it in Barcelona - and two of those were a given with That's A Fact and Hold You Back. But I suppose it makes sense a year after release to concentrate on the one that sold a lot because relative obscurities like Reason For Living, All The Reasons and Na Na Na were in there. Oh, and by the way, I never knew about Rick and Pip Williams' wife. Where'd that little gem come from? Or is it just scurrilous gossip and rumour?
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Post by smokie on Aug 11, 2017 8:51:48 GMT
In flagrante?
Perhaps that explains as to why Pip didn't produce any of the Rick penned songs
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Post by snakelady on Aug 11, 2017 17:48:52 GMT
mortified + smokie - Rick's getting a little too close with Pip's wife is old news. Happened during those years when they first worked together. So I'd assume they made up before they started working together again (I've no idea if Pip is actually still married to the same wife at all). In consequence I doubt it had anything to do with who produced what. As mentioned above, I'd rather assume it had to do with Rick not coming over to the recording sessions. Didn't they say in interviews at the time that the album was not done recording together in the studio ? I'd guess that was aimed at Rick having been absent.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Aug 21, 2017 15:00:30 GMT
Back on topic of Rick's solo album....
I don't think Rick was writing all of the songs. I'm sure I read that other people had been asked to contribute songs; and that one band in particular who sent condolences after he died had been writing/working with him. I reckon that Simon Porter, knowing Rick's lack of prolificy in the song writing department knew he would have to get extra help if the album was to happen.
The comment (possibly in the last FTMO) about the band laughing at Rick sat on the couch watching daytime TV in his underpants when he was supposed to be writing a solo album was also in the same spirit....knowing what he was like when it came to motivation for songwriting/recording. I don't think they meant any offence by the comment (and I doubt Rick would have taken any), but they knew what he was like.
The fact that Simon says he recorded his parts to 9 or 10 songs both surprises me and pleases me. When he died I thought that was the last we would hear about a solo album.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 23, 2017 8:13:42 GMT
Back on topic of Rick's solo album....
I don't think Rick was writing all of the songs. I'm sure I read that other people had been asked to contribute songs; and that one band in particular who sent condolences after he died had been writing/working with him. I reckon that Simon Porter, knowing Rick's lack of prolificy in the song writing department knew he would have to get extra help if the album was to happen.
The comment (possibly in the last FTMO) about the band laughing at Rick sat on the couch watching daytime TV in his underpants when he was supposed to be writing a solo album was also in the same spirit....knowing what he was like when it came to motivation for songwriting/recording. I don't think they meant any offence by the comment (and I doubt Rick would have taken any), but they knew what he was like.
The fact that Simon says he recorded his parts to 9 or 10 songs both surprises me and pleases me. When he died I thought that was the last we would hear about a solo album. That does sound credible - Rick wasn't able to come up with more then 2-3 songs for a Quo album with 3-4 years to work on them. How should he have managed to write enough for an own album ? We know that he wanted to have it, because the others had one, but Rick being Rick, he never was prepared to put the work and discipline required into it. So he depended on others to come up with something suitable. At a guess, he'd have 2-3 songs written with Wayne Morris, same as usual. Alan has mentioned they had started to write two songs. Those could probably be finished, as I'd assume they're mainly written by Alan anyway. The rest - meaning the vast majority - would have to come from complete outsiders as he wasn't writing with any other band member since moving to Spain. Or they'd have to be old material rejected by the band at the time, which is more probable IMO, as outsiders would need paying, whereas own writing credits would generate money. Considering all this, I don't expect that solo album to be of a very high standard. It could be interesting though - from the perspective of what Alan is capable of writing these days and what type(s) of songs were deemed unsuited for a Quo album .. I'd not mind an ukule tune or two either
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Post by snakelady on Aug 23, 2017 17:07:45 GMT
That does sound credible - Rick wasn't able to come up with more then 2-3 songs for a Quo album with 3-4 years to work on them. How should he have managed to write enough for an own album ? We know that he wanted to have it, because the others had one, but Rick being Rick, he never was prepared to put the work and discipline required into it. So he depended on others to come up with something suitable. At a guess, he'd have 2-3 songs written with Wayne Morris, same as usual. Alan has mentioned they had started to write two songs. Those could probably be finished, as I'd assume they're mainly written by Alan anyway. The rest - meaning the vast majority - would have to come from complete outsiders as he wasn't writing with any other band member since moving to Spain. Or they'd have to be old material rejected by the band at the time, which is more probable IMO, as outsiders would need paying, whereas own writing credits would generate money. Considering all this, I don't expect that solo album to be of a very high standard. It could be interesting though - from the perspective of what Alan is capable of writing these days and what type(s) of songs were deemed unsuited for a Quo album .. I'd not mind an ukule tune or two either Now, now... I'm not sure what to think of a posthumous solo album anymore. I know his son was in the studio in February together with Jo Webb who Rick had apparently been working with, and he said at the time that they had recorded some cracking rock songs (I don't remember his exact words), but he was very enthusiastic about it. Alan said in FTMO that they had been working in tandem on tracks for an EP (for PLC), and that Rick had already recorded his guitar parts on two of the songs and was about to start on the third. Simon Porter was also quoted saying that Rick "was ecstatic and excited with... contracts that I was able to give him for his autobiography, a solo album..." (see official site). He said Rick had completed full guitar and vocals for nine or 10 tracks, and that some of the tracks were fantastic. So I don't know about laziness getting the better of him in the end, about any rejected older or at best mediocre material, about writing credits or just lying on the couch, watching the snooker. I have no idea what Rick was capable of last autumn. It can't have been easy for him, though. His massive heart attack had left him with mild cognitive impairment, after all. So to have been able to play the guitar on nine or 10 tracks and also sing on them must have been some great achievement at the time. So it's not as if the material and the will to produce a solo album hadn't been there. I guess there will be other issues that prevent the release of the album. But alas, no-one involved seems to feel the need to explain anything to the fans - yet again. Sorry, Inna, I've read all that too, but things just don't quite add up for me. When should Rick have written all those songs, let alone recorded all his parts ?? He was clinically dead last summer and it was a slow and difficult recovery. And Simon only came up with the contracts for book and record less than a week before Christmas .. Rick may have started to get restless and started to write a few tunes, record a few ideas already by then, but the key word is 'started'. No way was anything close to having been finished. RPJ did indeed work on at least some of the material if he is to be believed - and I don't see a reason why he shouldn't - but he's a very different type of musician compared to Rick and I doubt he's able to fill Rick's boots in a way that the finished products would resemble the songs they'd have become had Rick finished them himself. And playing around with the tunes isn't the same as actually recording an album: having to pay for a producer/studio/musicians/physical product/.. The PLC songs would be PL songs, as John has never been a songwriter. PLC would've been about performing them and that won't happen now. That leaves LC ? They've had decades to come up with stuff and record it and didn't, so I don't see why that should change now - and the problem would be the same: Who will pay for it ? I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, but without Rick around for the so important marketing and live performances and additionally the long time that has passed since his death, I can't see much interest left from a record company for a release that isn't under the Quo banner. Death sells indeed, but not once it's old news. Cynical but true. I do hope though, that somebody will ask Alan about the songs at the fanclub convention. We might know more afterwards .. IMO the biggest chance to get to hear at least some of Rick's material is its inclusion on a new Quo album - and so far nothing hints at them intending to record another one ..
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Post by mortified on Aug 24, 2017 5:47:26 GMT
It would be nice to have something. If Rick had written 9 or 10 songs (co-written?) and also put down the guitar tracks, then others completing it would be fine in my book. What Her Regal Snakeness seems to be suggesting is that we should take with a pinch of salt what Mr Porter says. Without actually saying it in so many words I'd like there to be an album but it would be for a very niche market. But what's wrong with that? Spend some money on it and don't be miserable. He was with the band for 50 years! Do him some justice for goodness sake.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 24, 2017 7:54:22 GMT
Sorry, Inna, I've read all that too, but things just don't quite add up for me. When should Rick have written all those songs, let alone recorded all his parts ?? He was clinically dead last summer and it was a slow and difficult recovery. And Simon only came up with the contracts for book and record less than a week before Christmas .. Rick may have started to get restless and started to write a few tunes, record a few ideas already by then, but the key word is 'started'. No way was anything close to having been finished. RPJ did indeed work on at least some of the material if he is to be believed - and I don't see a reason why he shouldn't - but he's a very different type of musician compared to Rick and I doubt he's able to fill Rick's boots in a way that the finished products would resemble the songs they'd have become had Rick finished them himself. And playing around with the tunes isn't the same as actually recording an album: having to pay for a producer/studio/musicians/physical product/.. The PLC songs would be PL songs, as John has never been a songwriter. PLC would've been about performing them and that won't happen now. That leaves LC ? They've had decades to come up with stuff and record it and didn't, so I don't see why that should change now - and the problem would be the same: Who will pay for it ? I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, but without Rick around for the so important marketing and live performances and additionally the long time that has passed since his death, I can't see much interest left from a record company for a release that isn't under the Quo banner. Death sells indeed, but not once it's old news. Cynical but true. I do hope though, that somebody will ask Alan about the songs at the fanclub convention. We might know more afterwards .. IMO the biggest chance to get to hear at least some of Rick's material is its inclusion on a new Quo album - and so far nothing hints at them intending to record another one .. No need to feel sorry, Kathrin. To be fair, I haven't wasted any energy on thinking about a possible solo album of Rick's. I mentioned Jo Webb and what Alan said in FTMO on the first page of this thread way back in February, and I haven't given it much thought since then. No offence meant, but I only replied here again because I found some of the statements you made regarding Rick's demeanor in your post this morning a bit... sombre, yes, even a bit derogatory. My comments weren't aimed at Rick in any negative way. I was only trying to be realistic. We know that he didn't even practise while he was fit and healthy, so I just can't see him sitting there disciplined and concentrated working on songs for hours, considering the state he was in. Because that's what he would have to have done in the short time span he was physically capable of doing it (and I'm not sure he was physically able to do that at all - work for hours I mean). The only realistic option I can imagine is, he already had the songs finished when that fatal heart attack happened. I could be completely wrong though - I'm not a doctor ..
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Post by snakelady on Aug 24, 2017 8:07:55 GMT
It would be nice to have something. If Rick had written 9 or 10 songs (co-written?) and also put down the guitar tracks, then others completing it would be fine in my book. What Her Regal Snakeness seems to be suggesting is that we should take with a pinch of salt what Mr Porter says. Without actually saying it in so many words I'd like there to be an album but it would be for a very niche market. But what's wrong with that? Spend some money on it and don't be miserable. He was with the band for 50 years! Do him some justice for goodness sake. Oi, regal - can't remember a coronation ceremony .. (I'm not the type to do the handshakes anyway ) Yep, SP is not a musician .. he'll see an album release now differently. The money for it would have to come from somewhere - someone - who's expected to pay for it ? What Rick has left seems to be needed by his family urgently. So they seem to concentrate on finding and generating money for the family. Concentrate on the living mainly ..
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Post by smokie on Aug 24, 2017 8:51:57 GMT
I hope I'm proved wrong but I can't see the proposed solo album being released. I wanted an album that was Rick, the idea of RJP working on it doesn't fill me with any excitement, the opposite actually and after how RJP spoke about the band/Francis, I can't see him giving the ok for Rick's tracks to be added to any future Quo release as a "bonus".
I take everything that SP says with a pinch of salt. At heart, he's a PR man and will try to put a positive spin on everything. Rick was delighted with the contracts for the album and autobiography? Well, he would say that, wouldn't he? He was hardly going to say that "Rick is furious, annoyed and upset with the contracts that I've secured for him."
The timescale of it all intrigues me too. As others have already touched on, Rick wasn't well last summer so where did he find the time to not only write but to record the songs too?
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