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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Aug 24, 2017 10:35:24 GMT
Sorry, Inna, I've read all that too, but things just don't quite add up for me. When should Rick have written all those songs, let alone recorded all his parts ?? He was clinically dead last summer and it was a slow and difficult recovery. And Simon only came up with the contracts for book and record less than a week before Christmas .. Rick may have started to get restless and started to write a few tunes, record a few ideas already by then, but the key word is 'started'. No way was anything close to having been finished. RPJ did indeed work on at least some of the material if he is to be believed - and I don't see a reason why he shouldn't - but he's a very different type of musician compared to Rick and I doubt he's able to fill Rick's boots in a way that the finished products would resemble the songs they'd have become had Rick finished them himself. And playing around with the tunes isn't the same as actually recording an album: having to pay for a producer/studio/musicians/physical product/.. The PLC songs would be PL songs, as John has never been a songwriter. PLC would've been about performing them and that won't happen now. That leaves LC ? They've had decades to come up with stuff and record it and didn't, so I don't see why that should change now - and the problem would be the same: Who will pay for it ? I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, but without Rick around for the so important marketing and live performances and additionally the long time that has passed since his death, I can't see much interest left from a record company for a release that isn't under the Quo banner. Death sells indeed, but not once it's old news. Cynical but true. I do hope though, that somebody will ask Alan about the songs at the fanclub convention. We might know more afterwards .. IMO the biggest chance to get to hear at least some of Rick's material is its inclusion on a new Quo album - and so far nothing hints at them intending to record another one .. No need to feel sorry, Kathrin. To be fair, I haven't wasted any energy on thinking about a possible solo album of Rick's. I mentioned Jo Webb and what Alan said in FTMO on the first page of this thread way back in February, and I haven't given it much thought since then. No offence meant, but I only replied here again because I found some of the statements you made regarding Rick's demeanor in your post this morning a bit... sombre, yes, even a bit derogatory. Dampen my enthusiasm??? About what?? As I said in the first sentence of my (not so enthusiastic) post above, I'm not sure what to think of a posthumous solo album anymore. And that's all there is to it. I'm neither expecting nor hoping for anything regarding Quo anymore, and I'm really not interested in marketing and writing credits and who will have to pay for what. It is what it is, and I won't lose any sleep over it.Exactly. It will be what it will be (hoping it happens), and there's no point in worrying about it. It would be nice to have some solo material come out in Rick's name; whatever the writing credits, whoever plays on it (besides Rick) or produces it, or however it is marketed....but if it doesn't happen I won't lose any sleep over it. If we get an album and a few good songs it'll be a welcome bonus. And if Simon says Rick sung and recorded his parts before he died, then I for one believe that.
I think it was probably Jo Webb that I mentioned in my previous post who wrote some songs for Rick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 20:18:02 GMT
I am fairly certain/confident, the album will happen, I personally hope it does
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Oct 30, 2017 18:57:44 GMT
I am fairly certain/confident, the album will happen, I personally hope it does Maybe it will be this year's (Quo related) Christmas period release?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 19:16:43 GMT
I am fairly certain/confident, the album will happen, I personally hope it does Maybe it will be this year's (Quo related) Christmas period release? Not sure it will be that soon to be honest, obviously I would love it to be,, I think sometime in 2018, but according to recent comments from Alan, its gonna happen, and for that I am truly thankful
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Post by mortified on Oct 31, 2017 7:03:11 GMT
Think it'll get the marketing that George Michael's recent releases got? Three in the top 10 he had. And, in my very humble, bend down and don't look up opinion, the only one worth owning is Listen Without Prejudice. Simply being a member of a band, that's not going to happen. Much easier to promote a well known solo artist. But if they do release something and make an effort to put his face out there it'll do OK.
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Post by snakelady on Oct 31, 2017 8:25:20 GMT
Think it'll get the marketing that George Michael's recent releases got? Three in the top 10 he had. And, in my very humble, bend down and don't look up opinion, the only one worth owning is Listen Without Prejudice. Simply being a member of a band, that's not going to happen. Much easier to promote a well known solo artist. But if they do release something and make an effort to put his face out there it'll do OK. This ! I too doubt anything will happen this year. It's simply too late for the Christmas sales - the marketing campaign should already have started in this case. What I doubt even more though is - do they actually have the material for a whole album ? I still can't imagine when that would've been written - or how much Rick would be in the songs ..
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Post by mortified on Oct 31, 2017 8:35:03 GMT
Think it'll get the marketing that George Michael's recent releases got? Three in the top 10 he had. And, in my very humble, bend down and don't look up opinion, the only one worth owning is Listen Without Prejudice. Simply being a member of a band, that's not going to happen. Much easier to promote a well known solo artist. But if they do release something and make an effort to put his face out there it'll do OK. ....do they actually have the material for a whole album ? I still can't imagine when that would've been written - or how much Rick would be in the songs .. I'm wondering that myself. What sort of condition was he in to write and record from June last year? If he didn't, when was it done prior to that? He last had a couple of tracks on the Bula Quo album but I didn't get the impression he picked up a guitar when he was off the road. Then again, he has often submitted material for albums that gets rejected - as do they all before anyone kicks off - so maybe it's all that sort of stuff having been resurrected or dug out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 11:41:39 GMT
....do they actually have the material for a whole album ? I still can't imagine when that would've been written - or how much Rick would be in the songs .. Then again, he has often submitted material for albums that gets rejected - as do they all before anyone kicks off - so maybe it's all that sort of stuff having been resurrected or dug out. I think this is probably gonna be the case, a combination of what the tracklisting for the album to be, I have heard that 5 or 6 new songs were completed by Rick, by that I mean with his parts done
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Post by snakelady on Nov 2, 2017 7:51:25 GMT
Then again, he has often submitted material for albums that gets rejected - as do they all before anyone kicks off - so maybe it's all that sort of stuff having been resurrected or dug out. I think this is probably gonna be the case, a combination of what the tracklisting for the album to be, I have heard that 5 or 6 new songs were completed by Rick, by that I mean with his parts done If the songs had been ready they certainly will be rejected Quo material and nothing specifically written for a solo album. Yes, they could still be interesting, but I'd put a big question mark behind the quality aspect. I do believe that he may have become restless forced to sit at home while the others were out touring and that in consequence he might have written a song or two (like Over And Out). And I hope he has recorded himself singing them, even if it was just for a demo. QUo have used these recordings before, so that wouldn't be a problem. What I seriously doubt is, that he was able to play the guitar during those months. We've often enough heard from both F+R that for Quo tracks you've got to commit physically. More so live, naturally, but in the physical state Rick was in, studio work would've been very demanding too. In consequence what I expect exists are an unknown number of rejected Quo songs in the form of demos - not that many though, often enough Rick had problems to come up with enough songs for an album to start with. And there might be less than a handful of newly written tunes, maybe sung by Rick, but without him playing on them.
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Post by mortified on Nov 2, 2017 8:48:24 GMT
I think we'll just have to wait and see. He may have been a little more prolific than he was given credit for. A lack of songs on a Quo album doesn't necessarily mean he didn't have any. Although I do recall at least one interview - I think in FTMO - where he said he simply didn't have any material to put forward. I can't remember the occasion or the album though. I'd normally just say I have no reason to disbelieve what was said about Rick's solo material. However, in hindsight, some official statements this past year have proven to be a little, eh, fluid in their ultimate meaning
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 10:25:38 GMT
I think this is probably gonna be the case, a combination of what the tracklisting for the album to be, I have heard that 5 or 6 new songs were completed by Rick, by that I mean with his parts done If the songs had been ready they certainly will be rejected Quo material and nothing specifically written for a solo album. Yes, they could still be interesting, but I'd put a big question mark behind the quality aspect. I do believe that he may have become restless forced to sit at home while the others were out touring and that in consequence he might have written a song or two (like Over And Out). And I hope he has recorded himself singing them, even if it was just for a demo. QUo have used these recordings before, so that wouldn't be a problem. What I seriously doubt is, that he was able to play the guitar during those months. We've often enough heard from both F+R that for Quo tracks you've got to commit physically. More so live, naturally, but in the physical state Rick was in, studio work would've been very demanding too. In consequence what I expect exists are an unknown number of rejected Quo songs in the form of demos - not that many though, often enough Rick had problems to come up with enough songs for an album to start with. And there might be less than a handful of newly written tunes, maybe sung by Rick, but without him playing on them. Nobody said they were ready, all that's been said is that Ricks part were done, meaning they were/are still in demo form. I think it was J.C who said that there were 5 or 6 songs with Ricks parts completed, I remember him saying it as he added he just needed to add his own parts. On a slightly different subject, but still connected to this subject, according to Alan, there was a planned FF E.P, Rossi pulled out at the last minute, whats got me very curious is what was the planned material for this E.P, I won't ask why Rossi pulled out, its obvious why, he hates nostalgia don't he, the same nostalgia he continues to play with his band.
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Post by mortified on Nov 2, 2017 11:31:49 GMT
If there was to be a reunion EP - and I've never heard even a sniff of that before - I imagine the songs would primarily be from Alan and possibly Rick. Francis always has plenty of material but he has a couple of solo albums in the can so he wouldn't use anything from those.
It wouldn't be about nostalgia if the material was new. But I'm far from convinced that ever got past the discussion stage; if any stage at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 11:39:10 GMT
If there was to be a reunion EP - and I've never heard even a sniff of that before - I imagine the songs would primarily be from Alan and possibly Rick. Francis always has plenty of material but he has a couple of solo albums in the can so he wouldn't use anything from those. It wouldn't be about nostalgia if the material was new. But I'm far from convinced that ever got past the discussion stage; if any stage at all. The EP was mentioned at Minehead, according to what I have read, I have no idea what material was discussed to be put on the EP Would you really want Rossi solo material on any said EP ?! surely we have already had enough Rossi solo material on Quo albums haven't we ?!! (TICK TOCK!!!)
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Post by mortified on Nov 2, 2017 14:10:49 GMT
If there was to be a reunion EP - and I've never heard even a sniff of that before - I imagine the songs would primarily be from Alan and possibly Rick. Francis always has plenty of material but he has a couple of solo albums in the can so he wouldn't use anything from those. It wouldn't be about nostalgia if the material was new. But I'm far from convinced that ever got past the discussion stage; if any stage at all. The EP was mentioned at Minehead, according to what I have read, I have no idea what material was discussed to be put on the EP Would you really want Rossi solo material on any said EP ?! surely we have already had enough Rossi solo material on Quo albums haven't we ?!! (TICK TOCK!!!) I will not bite....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 14:13:32 GMT
The EP was mentioned at Minehead, according to what I have read, I have no idea what material was discussed to be put on the EP Would you really want Rossi solo material on any said EP ?! surely we have already had enough Rossi solo material on Quo albums haven't we ?!! (TICK TOCK!!!) I will not bite.... Dam
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Post by snakelady on Nov 3, 2017 8:01:36 GMT
Hadn't heard of this before either, but - an EP would probably be a sensible move instead of trying to fill an album with under par or not authentic tracks. Got to say I didn't know they still exist though in this time and age of download, streaming .. Guess we will simply have to wait and see ..
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Post by mortified on Nov 3, 2017 8:26:09 GMT
Yeah, quite a few artists still release EP's. I grabbed a couple recently by Garbage and by KT Tunstall. Admittedly they were downloaded but they're still EP's and have 4 tracks on each of them. Bit like many of the old CD singles. I suppose 'EP' is just a label.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 11:38:30 GMT
Hadn't heard of this before either, but - an EP would probably be a sensible move instead of trying to fill an album with under par or not authentic tracks. Got to say I didn't know they still exist though in this time and age of download, streaming .. Guess we will simply have to wait and see .. What would you deem as non authentic, out of interest ? Its fairly obvious that any album that does eventually get released will be demo's finished off
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 3, 2017 16:42:18 GMT
I had read somewhere that Rick had sung and recorded his parts for 8 or 9 tracks for his solo album.
I also read that someone (possibly Jo Webb, is he in the RPJ band?) had been asked to contribute tracks for Rick's solo album.
So I might be totally wrong here, but I was under the impression that other people had written some/most of the tracks, Rick (& Wayne) might have written some, and that Rick had done (possibly only demo's) most of his parts. How much of this is true (or will be used in the final release) I have no idea. Just a few things I'd heard / read.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 3, 2017 16:48:55 GMT
I think (my opinion, not from anything I've heard), that if Francis was still getting on with Alan at the time, that the reason for him pulling out of any FF recordings/releases might have been because he didn't want the FF and CQ to confuse the public, and he didn't want the resurrection of the FF to overshadow/reduce the appeal of the current band. Also, after the 2014 tour he'd decided that he didn't want to carry on touring with the FF, and so by releasing an EP this would probably have brought pressure/obligations to work and tour with Alan and John (and he remembered that 30 years before he'd decided that he didn't want to do that)! I think he felt that he'd done his bit for Alan, John, and the FF fans by doing 2 tours and he decided that his obligations and enjoyment (and power) lay with the current band. Just my thoughts.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 3, 2017 16:57:22 GMT
Hadn't heard of this before either, but - an EP would probably be a sensible move instead of trying to fill an album with under par or not authentic tracks. Got to say I didn't know they still exist though in this time and age of download, streaming .. Guess we will simply have to wait and see .. What would you deem as non authentic, out of interest ? Its fairly obvious that any album that does eventually get released will be demo's finished off It's a question of how much Rick had been involved with the songs.Did he merely sing songs written by others, as Neal suggests as a possibility ? (I read the rumours too at the time but nothing has ever been verified) Was he involved with writing them and how much? Did he play guitar on any of the tracks ? These questions are what I meant with authentic - or to sum them up, how much Rick is in these tracks ? I'd not want anybody to use his name for their own stuff, for marketing reasons or other reasons only distantly related to Rick. Think he deserves this.
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Post by mortified on Nov 4, 2017 7:44:23 GMT
I think (my opinion, not from anything I've heard), that if Francis was still getting on with Alan at the time, that the reason for him pulling out of any FF recordings/releases might have been because he didn't want the FF and CQ to confuse the public, and he didn't want the resurrection of the FF to overshadow/reduce the appeal of the current band. Also, after the 2014 tour he'd decided that he didn't want to carry on touring with the FF, and so by releasing an EP this would probably have brought pressure/obligations to work and tour with Alan and John (and he remembered that 30 years before he'd decided that he didn't want to do that)! I think he felt that he'd done his bit for Alan, John, and the FF fans by doing 2 tours and he decided that his obligations and enjoyment (and power) lay with the current band. Just my thoughts.
I think most of that is probably fairly accurate. He was at pains to say at the time that Status Quo was the present band, NOT the FF. In that respect, I think he was/is right. It's down to the rest of us to agree or disagree and go with it or not. I get the impression that the entire thing was Simon Porter's idea; the reunion that is. And from what I've read and also from what I witnessed personally in a Sydney hotel in 2010, it was being planned a while back without the other members of the band knowing - including Rick!
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Post by mortified on Nov 4, 2017 7:46:57 GMT
What would you deem as non authentic, out of interest ? Its fairly obvious that any album that does eventually get released will be demo's finished off ....I'd not want anybody to use his name....for marketing reasons or other reasons only distantly related to Rick. I think you may find that is precisely what happens. You only have to look at the recent marketing of the UK winter tour. The whole " songs in memory of Rick" approach. But many craved that so it's a sort of careful what you wish for.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 4, 2017 7:53:47 GMT
....I'd not want anybody to use his name....for marketing reasons or other reasons only distantly related to Rick. I think you may find that is precisely what happens. You only have to look at the recent marketing of the UK winter tour. The whole " songs in memory of Rick" approach. But many craved that so it's a sort of careful what you wish for. Exactly, that's what I too suspect will happen ! It's the reason why I explicitly mentioned 'authentic' .. Same as the whole PLC thing .. IMO that's more wishful thinking by some (probably including A+J) than anything else. But I'm sure the name itself will make sure they'll sell a few 100.. (Me, cynical ? )
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Post by mortified on Nov 4, 2017 8:01:42 GMT
I actually think there might be a market for a PLC project if it's handled carefully and promoted well. And Mr Porter tends not to miss an opportunity. But a fly in the ointment might be who owns the rights to who. Mike Hrano was Rick's manager, not Simon Porter, so if Mike thinks he was shafted a few years ago, he might be less than enthusiastic I appreciate that PLC would be a separate project but Rick's solo material might be in Mike's hands. I don't actually know any of this. I'm just speculating. As we do on here.
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