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Post by mortified on Feb 27, 2017 16:23:15 GMT
Interesting quotes from the latest FTMO by Simon Porter: " He (Rick) was co-writing his album with Joe Webb. He had completed full guitar and vocals for nine or ten tracks. Some of these tracks are fantastic...he had completed a lot of work for the album and was due to do some more co-writing with Wayne Morris in February. We are hoping to have something out by June." Also.... " Not one word was written of his autobiography. He was due to start writing that on 27 December".
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Post by snakelady on Feb 27, 2017 17:38:16 GMT
Guess the music is more important. After all we already have a Rick biog. Who's Joe Webb ?
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Post by smokie on Feb 27, 2017 19:10:10 GMT
I see he has worked with Rick Parfitt Jnr, I wonder if that's where the recommendation came from?
He must be very well regarded to have worked with all those artists.
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Post by ant on Feb 28, 2017 8:36:10 GMT
Great news about the music - I'm really pleased!
It might be better for a warts and all, bitter autobiography not to come out. I'm not sure who would benefit - there's no real benefit in ruining relationships which may already have been in trouble. I take the point that Rick's estate would have more money.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 28, 2017 9:26:31 GMT
" Not one word was written of his autobiography. He was due to start writing that on 27 December". A relief to many I'm sure, but as its from S.P, I tend to disregard it as meaningless, much like the band he manages, I wonder where the newspapers got those quotes from then, if as S.P says, he hadn't written anything, I smell more B.S ,, again You mean the same Simon Porter who acquired the contracts for Rick in the first place, who flew over and took the time to talk them through personally, so who basically looked after Rick not only from a business POV but from a friendship POV as well ?
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Post by snakelady on Feb 28, 2017 9:32:41 GMT
What I find interesting - but then I merely know what you've passed on, so maybe that explains it - is, that songs with Jo Webb are mentioned and more songs with Wayne Morris - not a word about a single song written with Alan though.
So did they only exist as ideas, did Rick drop the idea altogether - after all he had said Alan was stuck in the 70s .. - or did someone else (the RC ?) deem them as not suited to fit into the album ?
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Post by mortified on Feb 28, 2017 10:13:28 GMT
There has been contradictory information from the outset. The whole PLC thing was touted for a while with John Coghlan even mentioning it on TV; although not the actual name, just the fact that he and Alan and Rick might be recording together. An album of songs by Rick and two other blokes would suggest that wasn't correct or at the very most, hopeful. I dare say all manner of stuff has been discussed between any number of parties but its beginning to look like the only concrete thing is this proposed posthumous album. Speculation is a wonderful thing and fuels message boards like this. As do conspiracy theories
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Post by snakelady on Feb 28, 2017 19:04:23 GMT
What I find interesting - but then I merely know what you've passed on, so maybe that explains it - is, that songs with Jo Webb are mentioned and more songs with Wayne Morris - not a word about a single song written with Alan though. So did they only exist as ideas, did Rick drop the idea altogether - after all he had said Alan was stuck in the 70s .. - or did someone else (the RC ?) deem them as not suited to fit into the album ? From FTMO..., The Rick issue, p. 15: Alan: "The last time I spoke with Rick was... on 7 December last year (2016) ... He was ... enthusiastic about recording a solo album, which, among other things, he was already working on. We were also working in tandem, on tracks for an EP intended for the Frantic Four (or PLC). He had already recorded his guitar parts on two of the new songs, and was about to start on the third." Thanks The thing is, I'd have very much preferred had there been a statement from Rick about it. It's quite obvious what Alan and John want, but it'll depend on how Rick saw it, whether a song (or two) he wrote with Alan will make a solo album of his. It doesn't sound like they were writing with Rick's solo album in mind and an FF EP had already been dismissed, so it can't have been something they had been doing recently either. I assume that Rick would have distinguished between FF/PLC material and his own solo material. In consequence I can't see the songs ending up on his solo album. Maybe, just maybe .. a posthumous FF EP can be an option if Francis agrees. For Rick's and maybe John's sake he might do that, especially as Alan wouldn't have to come over for the bass tracks. He won't work with Alan again of that I'm sure, considering how Alan has talked about him and the band again. Which just made me think - could be Alan didn't come to the funeral and sent his daughter instead because he didn't want to meet the current band ?
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Post by smokie on Feb 28, 2017 20:32:30 GMT
Does anyone actually know the content of this "argument?"
What Rick said? What Simon Porter said?
I'm just a little sceptical about this. I'm not saying that it didn't take place, more what was said.
No one is always right but it seems that Simon, like Francis, is always "wrong".
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Post by snakelady on Mar 1, 2017 7:16:27 GMT
Does anyone actually know the content of this "argument?" What Rick said? What Simon Porter said? I'm just a little sceptical about this. I'm not saying that it didn't take place, more what was said. No one is always right but it seems that Simon, like Francis, is always "wrong". Exactly ! ive - If there was an argument at all, we've no way to know what it was about. Maybe it was a heated discussion, maybe something friendly was shouted. And even if they weren't agreeing on something - Rick had a tendency to act unreasonable or in the spur of the moment. Even his most avid lovers can't deny that. So what if Rick thought he could make the winter tour against doctor's advice and Simon tried to make him see sense ? The fact that there might have been a discussion/argument doesn't automatically imply that Simon was in the wrong and Rick was right. What it does imply though is, that Simon cared about Rick. Else he'd not have been there in the first place - a phone call would've been enough. Same goes for his visit to Spain, which did cost Simon time and money and would not have been necessary.
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 1, 2017 10:49:38 GMT
" Not one word was written of his autobiography. He was due to start writing that on 27 December". A relief to many I'm sure, but as its from S.P, I tend to disregard it as meaningless, much like the band he manages, I wonder where the newspapers got those quotes from then, if as S.P says, he hadn't written anything, I smell more B.S ,, again I thought it was just a short outline of the topics he wanted to tackle?
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Post by snakelady on Mar 2, 2017 8:16:07 GMT
Exactly ! ive - If there was an argument at all, we've no way to know what it was about. Maybe it was a heated discussion, maybe something friendly was shouted. And even if they weren't agreeing on something - Rick had a tendency to act unreasonable or in the spur of the moment. Even his most avid lovers can't deny that. So what if Rick thought he could make the winter tour against doctor's advice and Simon tried to make him see sense ? The fact that there might have been a discussion/argument doesn't automatically imply that Simon was in the wrong and Rick was right. What it does imply though is, that Simon cared about Rick. Else he'd not have been there in the first place - a phone call would've been enough. Same goes for his visit to Spain, which did cost Simon time and money and would not have been necessary. Ah so defender of SP too now then, hardly surprising given that Rossi pulls his strings It's got nothing to do with defending SP as there is nothing to defend. He didn't make a mistake. He looked well after Rick. According to your theories and if Francis were pulling the strings, wouldn't he have prevented that Rick wrote another 'revealing' biog ? The only possible answer is: Either he did not pull the strings or he had nothing to hide or most probable - both !
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Post by mortified on Mar 2, 2017 8:54:26 GMT
Christ, this isn't a black ops cover-up by the White House. What about some sort of perspective here? Breath wasted. As always.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Mar 2, 2017 9:01:19 GMT
Does anyone actually know the content of this "argument?" What Rick said? What Simon Porter said? I'm just a little sceptical about this. I'm not saying that it didn't take place, more what was said. No one is always right but it seems that Simon, like Francis, is always "wrong". No because although I was the one who put it on the msg boards. I got it from someone on a entertainment forum who had witnessed the argument in hospital. They were not a Quo fan only someone who was in hospital at the same time. They were arguing in a corridor while walking along, all the guy said was Rick was having a right go at someone. I sent him a picture of SP and asked if he was the guy and he said yes. The guy had no idea of what the argument was about though he said Rick was angry.
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Post by smokie on Mar 2, 2017 9:33:19 GMT
Thanks The Lord Flasheart, I wasn't so much doubting that there was a heated exchange, it was more what was said, or wasn't. I think snakelady makes a valid point though. If there were raised voices, Rick looked upset etc, then the majority jump to the conclusion that SP was obviously doing Rick wrong. Who knows? Perhaps Rick had told SP that he was coming back to the band pronto and SP told him that wasn't going to happen, they'd wait for the go-ahead from the doctors before agreeing to this? Not you obviously but some do have an agenda.
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Post by viking55 on Mar 3, 2017 19:38:33 GMT
It could have been about absolutely anything and not anyone's fault ! Could have been SP giving Rick some tough Love ! Maybe Rick Didn't like something in the contracts... who bloody well knows !!! So debating it is pointless imo
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Post by Quoincidence on Mar 4, 2017 1:06:40 GMT
It could have been about absolutely anything and not anyone's fault ! Could have been SP giving Rick some tough Love ! Maybe Rick Didn't like something in the contracts... who bloody well knows !!! So debating it is pointless imo They didn't start sorting out the contracts until December when Porter went and visited Rick as far as I know
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Post by snakelady on Mar 4, 2017 8:48:48 GMT
It could have been about absolutely anything and not anyone's fault ! Could have been SP giving Rick some tough Love ! Maybe Rick Didn't like something in the contracts... who bloody well knows !!! So debating it is pointless imo This ! The only believable fact we have is, that Rick was talking in a raised voice to someone in the hopital. It needn't even have been SP. The guy witnessing it obviously didn't know who Simon was and only later identified him from a photo. And we know how reliable eye-witnesses are - not ! To turn this into an anti-SP campaign is simply unbelievable
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Post by mortified on Mar 4, 2017 8:56:42 GMT
Didn't RPJ put something cryptic on Facebook at the time? I'm sure my wife showed me something. It said nothing specific but you could tell he wasn't happy.
Everyone's state of mind at the time was all over the place - especially Rick's - so I dare say a few home truths were said in haste. But, as already said, we have absolutely no idea what it was about.
Or even if it happened at all.
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Post by smokie on Mar 4, 2017 9:13:55 GMT
mortified, I think RJP Jnr posted something somewhere about "the shoe that you polish the most kicks you the hardest" ?? Very cryptic and folk can make of that what they want, and some surely did. Generally, cryptic is way over my head. Way over
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Post by snakelady on Mar 11, 2017 8:17:09 GMT
Concerning RPJ - he seems to be working on Rick's songs for the release in June. Actually it's a shame they never got to write together while Rick was still alive. Hope they keep it to the real solo material, so it's going to be a record from Rick and not watered down in any way. I don't think they should add Recorded Delivery as a CD2 either. The material isn't that good - we've had most songs as a Quo version anyway - and it would only detract from the new material, same with all those greatest hits CDs Quo has been adding to their new albums.
If there's songs written for PLC/FF I'm not sure what should be done with them. It would only work IMO if Rick's parts really are finished and Francis would be prepared to participate as well. In that case I'd be interested to hear it. No idea if it'd be good or bad, but it would be different I guess ..
I don't think a (P)LCXY (XY for whoever else plays on it) EP wouldn't make much sense, with Rick's parts not finished. In that case it would probably be a better solution if Alan and John released it as a duo collaboration - if at all. A physical release won't make much sense financially, maybe as a download merely or on demand ? Alan and John can't afford to lose money with it.
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 11, 2017 19:07:44 GMT
Concerning RPJ - he seems to be working on Rick's songs for the release in June. Actually it's a shame they never got to write together while Rick was still alive. Hope they keep it to the real solo material, so it's going to be a record from Rick and not watered down in any way. I don't think they should add Recorded Delivery as a CD2 either. The material isn't that good - we've had most songs as a Quo version anyway - and it would only detract from the new material, same with all those greatest hits CDs Quo has been adding to their new albums. If there's songs written for PLC/FF I'm not sure what should be done with them. It would only work IMO if Rick's parts really are finished and Francis would be prepared to participate as well. In that case I'd be interested to hear it. No idea if it'd be good or bad, but it would be different I guess .. I don't think a (P)LCXY (XY for whoever else plays on it) EP wouldn't make much sense, with Rick's parts not finished. In that case it would probably be a better solution if Alan and John released it as a duo collaboration - if at all. A physical release won't make much sense financially, maybe as a download merely or on demand ? Alan and John can't afford to lose money with it. Recorded Delivery should definitely be released, but as a separate project.
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Post by snakelady on Mar 12, 2017 8:42:06 GMT
Concerning RPJ - he seems to be working on Rick's songs for the release in June. Actually it's a shame they never got to write together while Rick was still alive. Hope they keep it to the real solo material, so it's going to be a record from Rick and not watered down in any way. I don't think they should add Recorded Delivery as a CD2 either. The material isn't that good - we've had most songs as a Quo version anyway - and it would only detract from the new material, same with all those greatest hits CDs Quo has been adding to their new albums. If there's songs written for PLC/FF I'm not sure what should be done with them. It would only work IMO if Rick's parts really are finished and Francis would be prepared to participate as well. In that case I'd be interested to hear it. No idea if it'd be good or bad, but it would be different I guess .. I don't think a (P)LCXY (XY for whoever else plays on it) EP wouldn't make much sense, with Rick's parts not finished. In that case it would probably be a better solution if Alan and John released it as a duo collaboration - if at all. A physical release won't make much sense financially, maybe as a download merely or on demand ? Alan and John can't afford to lose money with it. Recorded Delivery should definitely be released, but as a separate project. That would be the by far preferable solution, if a release of RD was viable. One's an 80s album one's a modern album - don't mix them up.
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Post by ant on Mar 12, 2017 13:40:33 GMT
Recorded Delivery should definitely be released, but as a separate project. That would be the by far preferable solution, if a release of RD was viable. One's an 80s album one's a modern album - don't mix them up. RD could easily be updated with a better and rockier drum sound - that would make a huge difference as in....... soundcloud.com/ant-troman/miss-my-baby-w-drums
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Post by snakelady on Mar 13, 2017 8:05:19 GMT
That would be the by far preferable solution, if a release of RD was viable. One's an 80s album one's a modern album - don't mix them up. RD could easily be updated with a better and rockier drum sound - that would make a huge difference as in....... soundcloud.com/ant-troman/miss-my-baby-w-drums Yeah, indeed - and it's great like that as a tribute. I commented on your version in the Rick section. It's not how Rick meant to release it though and I think, as it hasn't been released before, the release should stay true to the original. Or you'd have to make it a 2CD version, same as the recent RAOTW remix, so people can at least compare old and new sound/mix .. Personally I'm not convinced by the quality of songs from RD. Just because RD is from Rick and Rick's dead now doesn't make a good enough reason for a release IMO. The band will have 100s of demos of songs written by any single one of them, which were deemed either not good enough or not suited for a Quo album. Should they all be released as well ? Well, from a fans POV I guess the answer is yes - would make a nice box set 'rejected demos' similar to the BBC box set, but I'm not so sure about a release as a regular album ..
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