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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 19:27:44 GMT
Fair enough, that's fair comment, its your'e opinion, I understand that, I think a little differently,, but to each their own Fair enough. If you're right though, would they not have done the 3 albums and then knocked it on the head (especially as the 3rd one was Perfect Remedy which only sold about 3 copies)!?! But what they actually did was started to sound a bit more like Quo after that (RTYD). Possibly, but maybe he realised he could do what he wanted to with no Alan there to challenge him, so thought he would coin it for as many years as he could get out of it
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 20, 2017 19:40:28 GMT
Fair enough. If you're right though, would they not have done the 3 albums and then knocked it on the head (especially as the 3rd one was Perfect Remedy which only sold about 3 copies)!?! But what they actually did was started to sound a bit more like Quo after that (RTYD). Possibly, but maybe he realised he could do what he wanted to with no Alan there to challenge him, so thought he would coin it for as many years as he could get out of it Translated, that means he got on with Rhino better than he had been getting on with Alan, and enjoyed being in the band again.
I'm not sure I buy this argument that he didn't have as much power/control when Alan was still there? After BFY the albums had become more poppy (RAOTW, IYCSTH, 1982, BTB), so he was getting his own way. If he had been getting on with Alan, I'm not sure he would have needed to kick him out, as musically I think he 'had got' his way. Ironically, they went back to sounding more Quoish later on than they had on the 2 albums before Alan left. What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 19:46:32 GMT
Possibly, but maybe he realised he could do what he wanted to with no Alan there to challenge him, so thought he would coin it for as many years as he could get out of it Translated, that means he got on with Rhino better than he had been getting on with Alan, and enjoyed being in the band again.
I'm not sure I buy this argument that he didn't have as much power/control when Alan was still there? After BFY the albums had become more poppy (RAOTW, IYCSTH, 1982, BTB), so he was getting his own way. If he had been getting on with Alan, I'm not sure he would have needed to kick him out, as musically I think he 'had got' his way. Ironically, they went back to sounding more Quoish later on than they had on the 2 albums before Alan left. What do you think?
Rhino wouldn't stand up to him, Alan would and did, and there is the difference. One of the problems was neither Rick or Alan wrote anywhere near enough stuff in the last years of FF/F3, writers block maybe ?, who knows,, which let Rossi in, he had the material, all be it poppier,, after all I suppose they had to record something to full fill contract obligations.Back To Back for example was a very poor album, by their standards. You must remember the story of when he sneaked back in the studio on his own and re recorded lead vocals on certain songs without telling the others in the band ?, how underhand can you get ?
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Nov 20, 2017 21:11:46 GMT
Like I have said before, his only solo attempt instead of the band was 1985. The other two solo stints were as well as the band in between the Quo stuff. Even Rhino does it, when there is a break in the Quo routine. To say he has been trying to leave Quo for the last 30 odd years is laughable, besides Rossi knew since 85 along with the rest of us he was never going to succeed outside of Quo anyway, so why would he be trying to leave. Do you think Rossi would had gone back to SQ if they had NOT owed the R.C albums ? My opinion is yes he would it was obviously in his blood. He was never cut out to be successful as a solo artist we all know that now, he would have soon realised that then. I think it was simply the fact he couldn't or didn't want to work with Al and was prepared to walk away, and we know the rest. It was probably a very cunning plan 😀 Who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 11:07:19 GMT
Do you think Rossi would had gone back to SQ if they had NOT owed the R.C albums ? My opinion is yes he would it was obviously in his blood. He was never cut out to be successful as a solo artist we all know that now, he would have soon realised that then. I think it was simply the fact he couldn't or didn't want to work with Al and was prepared to walk away, and we know the rest. It was probably a very cunning plan 😀 Who knows. Again we differ on opinions Isaac, which is fair enough. Wonder what he would had done IF the others had formed a band and carried on without him, that would had been an interesting scenario wouldn't it ?, yeah I know it would had been highly unlikely if they had used the brand name, as Rossi had the R.C in his pocket and knew the R.C would not accept the brand name without him, that was his master card, but lets just suppose the others had carried on, under a different name, I wonder what Rossi would had done then, sulked ?!
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 21, 2017 11:59:07 GMT
Translated, that means he got on with Rhino better than he had been getting on with Alan, and enjoyed being in the band again.
I'm not sure I buy this argument that he didn't have as much power/control when Alan was still there? After BFY the albums had become more poppy (RAOTW, IYCSTH, 1982, BTB), so he was getting his own way. If he had been getting on with Alan, I'm not sure he would have needed to kick him out, as musically I think he 'had got' his way. Ironically, they went back to sounding more Quoish later on than they had on the 2 albums before Alan left. What do you think?
Rhino wouldn't stand up to him, Alan would and did, and there is the difference. One of the problems was neither Rick or Alan wrote anywhere near enough stuff in the last years of FF/F3, writers block maybe ?, who knows,, which let Rossi in, he had the material, all be it poppier,, after all I suppose they had to record something to full fill contract obligations.Back To Back for example was a very poor album, by their standards. You must remember the story of when he sneaked back in the studio on his own and re recorded lead vocals on certain songs without telling the others in the band ?, how underhand can you get ? I suppose you're right, that when Alan was there he had to sneak around and be underhand to get his own way, whereas from 1986 onwards he just said this is what we're doing, and everyone pretty much followed. So reforming without Alan made his life easier.
My point was, that the albums were still sounding the way Rossi wanted them to sound before Alan left (although as you say, he probably had to fight more for it). Francis wanted Andy in the band, and he got him despite people's opposition. He also wanted Pip to produce, and he got him despite people's opposition. But whilst Alan and Rick didn't write as much material as Rossi/Frost, from 1978 to 1983 I don't think there's that much difference in the 'heaviness' of their songs other than a couple of exceptions (maybe down to the way they were produced/recorded, I don't know).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 12:15:47 GMT
Rhino wouldn't stand up to him, Alan would and did, and there is the difference. One of the problems was neither Rick or Alan wrote anywhere near enough stuff in the last years of FF/F3, writers block maybe ?, who knows,, which let Rossi in, he had the material, all be it poppier,, after all I suppose they had to record something to full fill contract obligations.Back To Back for example was a very poor album, by their standards. You must remember the story of when he sneaked back in the studio on his own and re recorded lead vocals on certain songs without telling the others in the band ?, how underhand can you get ? I suppose you're right, that when Alan was there he had to sneak around and be underhand to get his own way, whereas from 1986 onwards he just said this is what we're doing, and everyone pretty much followed. So reforming without Alan made his life easier.
My point was, that the albums were still sounding the way Rossi wanted them to sound before Alan left (although as you say, he probably had to fight more for it). Francis wanted Andy in the band, and he got him despite people's opposition. He also wanted Pip to produce, and he got him despite people's opposition. But whilst Alan and Rick didn't write as much material as Rossi/Frost, from 1978 to 1983 I don't think there's that much difference in the 'heaviness' of their songs other than a couple of exceptions (maybe down to the way they were produced/recorded, I don't know).
You are so very easy to debate with, as unlike the majority on here you actually have a degree of understanding of where my opinions/views come from, even if you don't agree with them So you admit then he had to be underhand because Alan was still there and he just knew Alan would have told him to go feck himself had he had known what he was up to. That to me, is very much the case & proves just how underhand and devious the man (who most on here worship and see no wrong in at all) was. Yeah I agree, the last albums, with Alan were starting to sound like Rossi wanted them to sound, 1+9+8+2 wasn't that good and Back to Back was very very poor. I admit some of Rossi's poppier material I actually like, even after the band reformed. Regarding Alan & Ricks songwriting in the latter years, I agree with you, totally, maybe they knew that Rossi wouldnt accept anything too heavy, as that was not the Quo Rossi wanted anymore,, just a thought of my own that one. Whilst I fully accept that Quo material could NOT always be the famous chug a chug stuff, they did do some very good lighter stuff, Rock n Roll, LOAI being 2 (of a few) very good examples, I just think a lot of the Rossi material, was, in style, too far removed from Quo,, thats just my opinion of course.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 21, 2017 12:45:44 GMT
I suppose you're right, that when Alan was there he had to sneak around and be underhand to get his own way, whereas from 1986 onwards he just said this is what we're doing, and everyone pretty much followed. So reforming without Alan made his life easier.
My point was, that the albums were still sounding the way Rossi wanted them to sound before Alan left (although as you say, he probably had to fight more for it). Francis wanted Andy in the band, and he got him despite people's opposition. He also wanted Pip to produce, and he got him despite people's opposition. But whilst Alan and Rick didn't write as much material as Rossi/Frost, from 1978 to 1983 I don't think there's that much difference in the 'heaviness' of their songs other than a couple of exceptions (maybe down to the way they were produced/recorded, I don't know).
You are so very easy to debate with, as unlike the majority on here you actually have a degree of understanding of where my opinions/views come from, even if you don't agree with them So you admit then he had to be underhand because Alan was still there and he just knew Alan would have told him to go feck himself had he had known what he was up to. That to me, is very much the case & proves just how underhand and devious the man (who most on here worship and see no wrong in at all) was. Yeah I agree, the last albums, with Alan were starting to sound like Rossi wanted them to sound, 1+9+8+2 wasn't that good and Back to Back was very very poor. I admit some of Rossi's poppier material I actually like, even after the band reformed. Regarding Alan & Ricks songwriting in the latter years, I agree with you, totally, maybe they knew that Rossi wouldnt accept anything too heavy, as that was not the Quo Rossi wanted anymore,, just a thought of my own that one. Whilst I fully accept that Quo material could NOT always be the famous chug a chug stuff, they did do some very good lighter stuff, Rock n Roll, LOAI being 2 (of a few) very good examples, I just think a lot of the Rossi material, was, in style, too far removed from Quo,, thats just my opinion of course. I agree with most of that Ive. I think Rossi was underhand because (I've heard) he doesn't like confrontation. And he was able to do this because Alan was living in Australia and Rick was out of it. So it was a terrible way to behave when the 3 of them should have had an equal say, but it enabled him to get his own way without confrontation (until it was discovered afterwards)!
"Regarding Alan & Ricks song writing in the latter years, I agree with you, totally, maybe they knew that Rossi wouldn't accept anything too heavy, as that was not the Quo Rossi wanted anymore,, just a thought of my own that one".
In terms of the material that Rick and Alan wrote after 1976 I've always wondered why that was? Probably a variety of reasons; 1. They knew which direction Francis was pushing the band, so they wrote songs in that direction/style. 2. The way the songs were worked up, produced and recorded made them sound a certain way. 3. They didn't write together after the Quo album, and they went with different writing partners (Andy Bown and Lamb) which might have 'watered down' their songs.
Whilst the later stuff was lighter / more poppy than the early albums, I've always enjoyed most of it. I think I can enjoy a Quo song, despite it not being in the 'classic style'....it usually still sounds like Quo. I have listened to IYCSTH a few times over the weekend after our recent discussions about it, and I must admit, whilst it is very low down on my list of Quo albums, I did enjoy it all the way through. I think I listen 'in the moment', and I'm not thinking, 'this isn't like 45 Hundred Times'! I just listen to it for what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 12:55:33 GMT
You are so very easy to debate with, as unlike the majority on here you actually have a degree of understanding of where my opinions/views come from, even if you don't agree with them So you admit then he had to be underhand because Alan was still there and he just knew Alan would have told him to go feck himself had he had known what he was up to. That to me, is very much the case & proves just how underhand and devious the man (who most on here worship and see no wrong in at all) was. Yeah I agree, the last albums, with Alan were starting to sound like Rossi wanted them to sound, 1+9+8+2 wasn't that good and Back to Back was very very poor. I admit some of Rossi's poppier material I actually like, even after the band reformed. Regarding Alan & Ricks songwriting in the latter years, I agree with you, totally, maybe they knew that Rossi wouldnt accept anything too heavy, as that was not the Quo Rossi wanted anymore,, just a thought of my own that one. Whilst I fully accept that Quo material could NOT always be the famous chug a chug stuff, they did do some very good lighter stuff, Rock n Roll, LOAI being 2 (of a few) very good examples, I just think a lot of the Rossi material, was, in style, too far removed from Quo,, thats just my opinion of course. I agree with most of that Ive. I think Rossi was underhand because (I've heard) he doesn't like confrontation. And he was able to do this because Alan was living in Australia and Rick was out of it. So it was a terrible way to behave when the 3 of them should have had an equal say, but it enabled him to get his own way without confrontation (until it was discovered afterwards)!
"Regarding Alan & Ricks song writing in the latter years, I agree with you, totally, maybe they knew that Rossi wouldn't accept anything too heavy, as that was not the Quo Rossi wanted anymore,, just a thought of my own that one".
In terms of the material that Rick and Alan wrote after 1976 I've always wondered why that was? Probably a variety of reasons; 1. They knew which direction Francis was pushing the band, so they wrote songs in that direction/style. 2. The way the songs were worked up, produced and recorded made them sound a certain way. 3. They didn't write together after the Quo album, and they went with different writing partners (Andy Bown and Lamb) which might have 'watered down' their songs.
Whilst the later stuff was lighter / more poppy than the early albums, I've always enjoyed most of it. I think I can enjoy a Quo song, despite it not being in the 'classic style'....it usually still sounds like Quo. I have listed to IYCSTH a few times over the weekend after our recent discussions about it, and I must admit, whilst it is very low down on my list of Quo albums, I did enjoy it all the way through. I think I listen 'in the moment', and I'm not thinking, 'this isn't like 45 Hundred Times'! I just listen to it for what it is.
Aha ! someone who also agree's Rossi was underhand, but then again you are realistic and fair, and full credit to you for being so, unlike many on here who spit the dummies out far to easily & to me are more blinkered than they accuse me of being, thats pure fuel to me, I love exposing hypocrisy and blatant double standards Now on to yer comments, again i find myself agreeing with you in the main. I too liked a lot of the material that was on the poppier side, I Do NOT expect EVERY song to be in the classic Quo style, and enjoy many that aren't. my point is, Rossi material, (obviously intended as solo material) took the band in a direction way too far removed from Quo. Rossi lovers of course will deny that, but I tend to ignore them, after all, they still think its SQ
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 21, 2017 13:40:00 GMT
I agree with most of that Ive. I think Rossi was underhand because (I've heard) he doesn't like confrontation. And he was able to do this because Alan was living in Australia and Rick was out of it. So it was a terrible way to behave when the 3 of them should have had an equal say, but it enabled him to get his own way without confrontation (until it was discovered afterwards)!
"Regarding Alan & Ricks song writing in the latter years, I agree with you, totally, maybe they knew that Rossi wouldn't accept anything too heavy, as that was not the Quo Rossi wanted anymore,, just a thought of my own that one".
In terms of the material that Rick and Alan wrote after 1976 I've always wondered why that was? Probably a variety of reasons; 1. They knew which direction Francis was pushing the band, so they wrote songs in that direction/style. 2. The way the songs were worked up, produced and recorded made them sound a certain way. 3. They didn't write together after the Quo album, and they went with different writing partners (Andy Bown and Lamb) which might have 'watered down' their songs.
Whilst the later stuff was lighter / more poppy than the early albums, I've always enjoyed most of it. I think I can enjoy a Quo song, despite it not being in the 'classic style'....it usually still sounds like Quo. I have listed to IYCSTH a few times over the weekend after our recent discussions about it, and I must admit, whilst it is very low down on my list of Quo albums, I did enjoy it all the way through. I think I listen 'in the moment', and I'm not thinking, 'this isn't like 45 Hundred Times'! I just listen to it for what it is.
Now on to yer comments, again i find myself agreeing with you in the main. I too liked a lot of the material that was on the poppier side, I Do NOT expect EVERY song to be in the classic Quo style, and enjoy many that aren't. my point is, Rossi material, (obviously intended as solo material) took the band in a direction way too far removed from Quo. Rossi lovers of course will deny that, but I tend to ignore them, after all, they still think its SQ I'm not sure Rossi's material was 'intended to be solo material', I just think that's the way he was writing at the time, and the fact that he started writing with Bernie instead of Bob probably affected that a bit as well. I'm sure that everything around that time was affected by the amount of dr*gs being taken as well; if not the actual style of music, certainly the mind-set, and awareness of things and the way people behaved and acted. And whilst members of the band have alluded to Alan taking dr*gs as well, it certainly hasn't come out that he had the same level issues that Rick and Francis had.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Nov 21, 2017 15:04:41 GMT
Aha ! someone who also agree's Rossi was underhand, but then again you are realistic and fair, and full credit to you for being so, unlike many on here who spit the dummies out far to easily & to me are more blinkered than they accuse me of being, thats pure fuel to me, I love exposing hypocrisy and blatant double standards Now on to yer comments, again i find myself agreeing with you in the main. I too liked a lot of the material that was on the poppier side, I Do NOT expect EVERY song to be in the classic Quo style, and enjoy many that aren't. my point is, Rossi material, (obviously intended as solo material) took the band in a direction way too far removed from Quo. Rossi lovers of course will deny that, but I tend to ignore them, after all, they still think its SQ I'm not sure Rossi's material was 'intended to be solo material', I just think that's the way he was writing at the time, and the fact that he started writing with Bernie instead of Bob probably affected that a bit as well. I'm sure that everything around that time was affected by the amount of dr*gs being taken as well; if not the actual style of music, certainly the mind-set, and awareness of things and the way people behaved and acted. And whilst members of the band have alluded to Alan taking dr*gs as well, it certainly hasn't come out that he had the same level issues that Rick and Francis had.
I think the fact that Alan could kind of escape to OZ when on downtime helped him get himself straight. Living in the touring bubble can destroy you and I think that's what it did to the band especially Rick. Though Francis did not get himself straight for years and after he did he has resisted oppertunities to return to those days. He is frightened of being "Him" as he calls his old onstage persona and does not want to fall back into bad habbits. When you get out of the bubble you can get yourself right look at JC. He deffinatly enjoyed a drink back in his Quo days but when he got out he did not become an alcoholic ex drummer. He just wanted to play in his own small way and not be part of a massive machine anymore.
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Post by mortified on Nov 21, 2017 15:26:56 GMT
Not with Alan, no.
They only found out that they could continue Quo without Alan because of the necessity of recording the 3 albums they owed.
It was a perfect storm really to ensure that Quo reformed (without Alan and continued); failure of solo career (non-release of Flying Debris), "you owe us 3 albums or lots of money", yes you can reform the band without Alan. If any of those things hadn't happened, the band wouldn't have continued at the time. But Francis and Rick both needed to earn money, and it was easier for them to do that together.
Ok, I will try again, if they had not had owed the R.C albums, and assured that Alan would not had been in the band anymore, would Rossi have got back with the band ? I think the answer is yes. Besides, people change their minds. This was 1984/85 - over 30 years ago. I've changed my mind on wives several times since then. And I didn't even owe anyone any money The drugs were in full flow at that time so goodness knows what any of them were thinking. It would not have been clearly, that's for sure. The principle reason Francis called time - or seems to have been - is because he couldn't work within the band environment, as it was, any more. It has always sounded like Alan was the main reason for that. No one's fault; just the way it was. Unfortunately for Alan, the record company just weren't interested in him. Francis called the shots because he was the man they wanted. And Rick followed the dosh route. I would have as well in his position. All very unsavoury but probably not an unusual scenario in the 'biz'. I presume it's also why they had to carry on using the Status Quo name. Recording albums as someone else would not have appeased Phonogram and contractually I guess they had to. It's also why during the End of the Road tour, Francis was at pains to keep saying "we are not retiring; we're just stopping touring". He knew fine well they had to record more albums. They all did. They just didn't know if, how or when.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Nov 21, 2017 17:39:12 GMT
My opinion is yes he would it was obviously in his blood. He was never cut out to be successful as a solo artist we all know that now, he would have soon realised that then. I think it was simply the fact he couldn't or didn't want to work with Al and was prepared to walk away, and we know the rest. It was probably a very cunning plan 😀 Who knows. Again we differ on opinions Isaac, which is fair enough. Wonder what he would had done IF the others had formed a band and carried on without him, that would had been an interesting scenario wouldn't it ?, yeah I know it would had been highly unlikely if they had used the brand name, as Rossi had the R.C in his pocket and knew the R.C would not accept the brand name without him, that was his master card, but lets just suppose the others had carried on, under a different name, I wonder what Rossi would had done then, sulked ?! Sulk probably not, Rossi wouldn't have had to wait long before getting what he wanted, I fear they would have sunk without trace within months.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 21, 2017 17:56:01 GMT
Ok, I will try again, if they had not had owed the R.C albums, and assured that Alan would not had been in the band anymore, would Rossi have got back with the band ? I think the answer is yes. Besides, people change their minds. This was 1984/85 - over 30 years ago. I've changed my mind on wives several times since then. And I didn't even owe anyone any money The drugs were in full flow at that time so goodness knows what any of them were thinking. It would not have been clearly, that's for sure. The principle reason Francis called time - or seems to have been - is because he couldn't work within the band environment, as it was, any more. It has always sounded like Alan was the main reason for that. No one's fault; just the way it was. Unfortunately for Alan, the record company just weren't interested in him. Francis called the shots because he was the man they wanted. And Rick followed the dosh route. I would have as well in his position. All very unsavoury but probably not an unusual scenario in the 'biz'. I presume it's also why they had to carry on using the Status Quo name. Recording albums as someone else would not have appeased Phonogram and contractually I guess they had to. It's also why during the End of the Road tour, Francis was at pains to keep saying "we are not retiring; we're just stopping touring". He knew fine well they had to record more albums. They all did. They just didn't know if, how or when. I've seen an interview recently (that I've never seen before.....there's so many from during the EOTR tour) where Francis says that they have to make 3 new albums, so that will be 1985, 1986 & 1987, so that will take them up to 1988. But in one of the autobiographies, I'm sure he says that as far as he was concerned they were finished, he didn't intend to work with the band anymore....so I'm not sure what the plan was for those 3 albums!! Can you get out of the contract if they haven't paid you anything and the band has split up? Could him and Rick give them solo albums instead of a band album?
It's also interesting because it seems that Rick has started preparing for his solo album (this is during the EOTR tour). And also, when Rick starts to admit that they are stopping touring because they are getting on each others nerves, Francis jumps in and says no we're not, and Alan kicks him (Rick)! So they were keen to make sure everything looked ok to the fans/outside world.
But there were dr*g issues in the band and they'd done A LOT of touring over the years, so they needed a rest, and as Mortified says, people do change their mind!
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 21, 2017 19:02:09 GMT
I think the answer is yes. Besides, people change their minds. This was 1984/85 - over 30 years ago. I've changed my mind on wives several times since then. And I didn't even owe anyone any money The drugs were in full flow at that time so goodness knows what any of them were thinking. It would not have been clearly, that's for sure. The principle reason Francis called time - or seems to have been - is because he couldn't work within the band environment, as it was, any more. It has always sounded like Alan was the main reason for that. No one's fault; just the way it was. Unfortunately for Alan, the record company just weren't interested in him. Francis called the shots because he was the man they wanted. And Rick followed the dosh route. I would have as well in his position. All very unsavoury but probably not an unusual scenario in the 'biz'. I presume it's also why they had to carry on using the Status Quo name. Recording albums as someone else would not have appeased Phonogram and contractually I guess they had to. It's also why during the End of the Road tour, Francis was at pains to keep saying "we are not retiring; we're just stopping touring". He knew fine well they had to record more albums. They all did. They just didn't know if, how or when. I've seen an interview recently (that I've never seen before.....there's so many from during the EOTR tour) where Francis says that they have to make 3 new albums, so that will be 1985, 1986 & 1987, so that will take them up to 1988. But in one of the autobiographies, I'm sure he says that as far as he was concerned they were finished, he didn't intend to work with the band anymore....so I'm not sure what the plan was for those 3 albums!! Can you get out of the contract if they haven't paid you anything and the band has split up? Could him and Rick give them solo albums instead of a band album?
It's also interesting because it seems that Rick has started preparing for his solo album (this is during the EOTR tour). And also, when Rick starts to admit that they are stopping touring because they are getting on each others nerves, Francis jumps in and says no we're not, and Alan kicks him (Rick)! So they were keen to make sure everything looked ok to the fans/outside world.
But there were dr*g issues in the band and they'd done A LOT of touring over the years, so they needed a rest, and as Mortified says, people do change their mind!
If they had signed a contract stating they would give the RC so many albums they would have to live up to it... The only way for them to get out of it would be to buy out of it essentially. They did the EOTR tour to hopefully gain some financial stability, but the tour didn't bring in the money they hope. (It probably did but as Alan has said... plenty of people have gotten rich off of Quo whereas the band struggled) I think, if it had gone how they said it would. They would have gone off and done their solo albums, they would have been released and in 1985 is when they would have started working on the next Quo album...
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Nov 21, 2017 20:26:18 GMT
Whilst it's all water under the bridge now. They should have stopped in 1981 and given themselves a break. Maybe then JC would not have had a breakdown and walked out. When you think about it writing and recording an album every year from 1968-1983 and only one tour break in 1980, something had to give.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 22, 2017 8:52:31 GMT
Whilst it's all water under the bridge now. They should have stopped in 1981 and given themselves a break. Maybe then JC would not have had a breakdown and walked out. When you think about it writing and recording an album every year from 1968-1983 and only one tour break in 1980, something had to give. But the thing is, they just came from an extensive break. They didn't tour in '80, so I tend to not follow that reasoning. The underlying problems were rooted deeper - in their excessive drugs/alcohol consumption - IMO. So no matter how long they'd have paused, as soon as they had got together again, the same problems would've resurfaced - as they obviously did. The only thing that would've helped IMO would've been had they kicked their addictions on the head during their time off and then started to talk with one another. Problems don't go away through time passing and not speaking - they've a habit of raising their ugly heads again afterwards. The band only recently learned that with the FF reunion tours.
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Post by mortified on Nov 22, 2017 9:07:50 GMT
It felt like a couple of breaks to me back then with no gigs in '78 and also none in 1980. But I appreciate that the band continued to tour abroad. In fact it was almost 2 years between the gigs I did in May 1979 and March 1981. I was getting withdrawals from my own addiction!
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Post by problemshalved on Nov 22, 2017 9:23:13 GMT
In reality being in a band is no different to being in an office. Imagine being in the same office for 50 years with the same people from your teenage years. Initially you form a bond with a few of them and boy do you have a great time both at work and outside work. Inevitably some of those people have different ambitions and different drives, some are ambitious, some are just happy to plod along, and some fall off the rails. Throw into this mix marriages, children, personal tragedies, drugs, alocohol and very soon that bond that initially brought you together starts to fall apart and you are really just turning up to the office every day for the money and counting the days until it all ends. Of course you have the option to change jobs but you are caught in the trap that the money in this job is better than elsewhere.
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Post by mortified on Nov 22, 2017 11:04:55 GMT
In reality being in a band is no different to being in an office. Imagine being in the same office for 50 years with the same people from your teenage years. Initially you form a bond with a few of them and boy do you have a great time both at work and outside work. Inevitably some of those people have different ambitions and different drives, some are ambitious, some are just happy to plod along, and some fall off the rails. Throw into this mix marriages, children, personal tragedies, drugs, alocohol and very soon that bond that initially brought you together starts to fall apart and you are really just turning up to the office every day for the money and counting the days until it all ends. Of course you have the option to change jobs but you are caught in the trap that the money in this job is better than elsewhere. A damned fine analogy. Mirroring my own working life in the same feckin' office. Quite a few of us had over 20 years service (in my case 37 years). But the socialising on an almost weekly basis, in the 80's in particular, got put aside as people did different things outside work; mainly family based. Quo will have been no different. In fact, it was probably even tougher in hotels, buses, airports and all that stuff. I'd take my life any day!
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Nov 22, 2017 13:11:39 GMT
In reality being in a band is no different to being in an office. Imagine being in the same office for 50 years with the same people from your teenage years. Initially you form a bond with a few of them and boy do you have a great time both at work and outside work. Inevitably some of those people have different ambitions and different drives, some are ambitious, some are just happy to plod along, and some fall off the rails. Throw into this mix marriages, children, personal tragedies, drugs, alocohol and very soon that bond that initially brought you together starts to fall apart and you are really just turning up to the office every day for the money and counting the days until it all ends. Of course you have the option to change jobs but you are caught in the trap that the money in this job is better than elsewhere. Look at the Beatles, Ringo has said that the 4 of them loved each other very much but that bubble they were in during the 60s ended up destroying them.
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Post by problemshalved on Nov 22, 2017 20:40:40 GMT
To take the analogy further. Sometimes a new face appears in the office with youth and enthusiasm which suddenly makes it a more pleasant place to work and even the old guys stop counting the days to retirement.
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