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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 22:08:45 GMT
Isaac, IF Rossi's solo career had become what he hoped it would be , do you still think he would had carried on with SQ ? If and buts Ive, we will never know for sure tho will we? Of course it is, but what do you personally think ?
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Nov 18, 2017 22:15:17 GMT
If and buts Ive, we will never know for sure tho will we? Of course it is, but what do you personally think ? I think he will release a couple of tracks they won't do so well. The record company will say come back you owe us three albums, he will and then will stay with Quo from then on. 😁 Seriously Ive he may well have stayed solo, lucky for us Rossi seemed to be a one band man in the public eyes.
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 18, 2017 22:59:32 GMT
Quoincidence, yes Francis left in the 80s to go solo, and that all changed by 86 .But what your saying is , that he is still making a living off a band he has been trying to leave since the 80s to pursue a solo career, suggests that for over 30 years he has been trying to leave Quo??Or am I reading that wrong?? No you're not reading it wrong... Like Ive has said... Had Rossis solo album done well in 1985 (or had it been released) he wouldn't have gone back at all, but it didn't so he tried again around the mid 90's (a period in Quo that he didn't like) and then finally in 2010 he actually did something as a solo artist (using some Quo tracks)... went okay, said he would do something again and hasn't 7 years on. Rossi has stated that at that period he was DONE with Quo. He only changed his mind because the RC dropped his solo album, 'Flying Debris'(?). So he returned to somewhere that he knew he could make money from. Edit; Not forgetting that he never really had faith in his solo material either, so he stuck it on Quo albums. 1 + 9 + 8 + 2 & Back To Back being the obvious ones
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 23:04:13 GMT
Quoincidence, yes Francis left in the 80s to go solo, and that all changed by 86 .But what your saying is , that he is still making a living off a band he has been trying to leave since the 80s to pursue a solo career, suggests that for over 30 years he has been trying to leave Quo??Or am I reading that wrong?? No you're not reading it wrong... Like Ive has said... Had Rossis solo album done well in 1985 (or had it been released) he wouldn't have gone back at all, but it didn't so he tried again around the mid 90's (a period in Quo that he didn't like) and then finally in 2010 he actually did something as a solo artist (using some Quo tracks)... went okay, said he would do something again and hasn't 7 years on. Rossi has stated that at that period he was DONE with Quo. He only changed his mind because the RC dropped his solo album, 'Flying Debris'(?). So he returned to somewhere that he knew he could make money from. Correct on all counts. Rossi has NOT really wanted Quo since the 80's, he had no choice though, if he wanted money.
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Post by viking55 on Nov 19, 2017 9:38:04 GMT
So Francis stuck songs intended on a solo release on 1+9+8+2.. that’s the biggest Mel Gibson yet ! That album. Agreed , was solely a QUO release for their 20th. Massive push for it a a QUO release and they were bigging it up the previous year to start the push for it. When I read through your nonsense your dates and timings are all over the shop. The simple truth is Rick was skint....walked and p.....d all over Alan to get some wads back in his pocket and PLEADED with Francis to put Wuo back together with his 2 session musicians...and that is what ACTUALLY and PHYSICALLY happened. Irrespective of what Francis has done since! Both solo and with Quo. And yes how many times do we have to agree that Francis has admitted he does it for the money now. So that’s not even a talking point !
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Post by smokie on Nov 19, 2017 9:43:12 GMT
Some very interesting opinions in this thread.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 19, 2017 9:44:59 GMT
I don't think he has wanted to ditch the name since the 80's to pursue a solo career tho has he. He is tho making a living off a band he co formed to start with Well yes, he wanted to leave Quo around the early 80's and literally says so himself in the inner sleeve notes on the recent deluxe editions of either Just Supposin' or Never Too Late, end of. snakelady It wasn't behind Alans back at all. Rick told Alan he would be going back with Francis because he couldn't afford to be fined for not following up on album obligations. Management didn't like Alan so they wanted him gone, as did Rossi... They wanted a Quo fronted by Rick and Francis. Alan was pissed off at the fact he had been *used* by Rick, as Alan was helping him get back on his feet. "The EOTR tour didn't bring in the money they'd hoped and Rick was still broke, so he finally told Alan the truth which was that he couldn't form a new band with him and leave Quo. He said, "I'm better off with Francis because, he is more famous. Although I like you much more than Francis, I'm going with him because I need the money. I'm really sorry but I haven't got a choice." Around this time, Rick's cousin worked for the band, as wardrobe mistress and she claims that Francis longed for the day he was rich enough to walk away from Quo again. "Then he wouldn't have to put up with Rick's tantrums any more." In 82, Francis had told manager Colin Johnson that he wanted to pack it in. He and Rick were hardly speaking at this point. The manager sorted this by putting them on a personal appearances tour where they earned a fair amount of money and their friendship was rekindled again. And then they decided to record another album and got a great record deal. And by the time of their both recording solo albums, Rick was upset that Francis' album was a flop because it mean't that his album was cancelled by the record company and he couldn't get away from Francis. "He wanted to be a star in his own right." - All from Pattys book
Rick and Alan wanted to put their own thing together, probably with John but it didn't turn out that way purely down to money and being robbed by the management. Sorry, but I rather believe Rick himself, who admitted he had ignored Alan's calls (who had returned to Australia thinking all was fine between them) and never called him back, as he didn't dare tell him he'd gone to Francis and was going to continue Quo with him (and a record deal). I don't own Patty's book and frankly would never consider contributing a single penny to her income. She completely lost my respect last year, when Rick, due to his mental impairments had forgotten about his young family and thought he was still with Patty. Instead of telling him he had a wife and young kids who needed him and they were finished 10 years ago, she happily took him back. You just don't do that, whether you still love the person or not IMVHO. Thinking about it - his not remembering Lindsay and the kids and those past decade he spent with them may well have been the reason why he changed his will. In that case it should be easy for Lindsay to challenge it. Some of the things Patty said might be true though. I can well imagine Francis wanting out in 82 already, if not earlier even. He was deeply unhappy then due to his marriage breakdown and heavily into drugs already. I doubt though any plans between Rick and Alan had involved John, as just a short while before they had considered him moody and unreliable and given him that ultimatum 'We want this to be done properly. If you don't want to do it, don't do it' and John had left in consequence. It would actually be interesting to know when Alan kicked the drugs on the head .. I guess in a sense getting away from the band may have helped and he might've been the first of them to become sober and clean again ? Don't know about the musicians he was involved with in Australia though ..
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Post by mortified on Nov 19, 2017 9:51:11 GMT
No you're not reading it wrong... Like Ive has said... Had Rossis solo album done well in 1985 (or had it been released) he wouldn't have gone back at all, but it didn't so he tried again around the mid 90's (a period in Quo that he didn't like) and then finally in 2010 he actually did something as a solo artist (using some Quo tracks)... went okay, said he would do something again and hasn't 7 years on. Rossi has stated that at that period he was DONE with Quo. He only changed his mind because the RC dropped his solo album, 'Flying Debris'(?). So he returned to somewhere that he knew he could make money from. ....Rossi has NOT really wanted Quo since the 80's, he had no choice though, if he wanted money.I think the main point is that this applied to both of them. It's probably the one aspect coming out of this whole thread that most of us can agree on. They were both skint, both failed solo artists and both in debt to the record company for (presumably) album advances as well as contractual obligations. How it all panned out with Alan depends on who you read and who you choose to believe.
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 19, 2017 13:15:04 GMT
So Francis stuck songs intended on a solo release on 1+9+8+2.. that’s the biggest Mel Gibson yet ! That album. Agreed ****, was solely a QUO release for their 20th. Massive push for it a a QUO release and they were bigging it up the previous year to start the push for it. When I read through your nonsense your dates and timings are all over the shop. The simple truth is Rick was skint....walked and p.....d all over Alan to get some wads back in his pocket and PLEADED with Francis to put Wuo back together with his 2 session musicians...and that is what ACTUALLY and PHYSICALLY happened. Irrespective of what Francis has done since! Both solo and with Quo. And yes how many times do we have to agree that Francis has admitted he does it for the money now. So that’s not even a talking point ! How am I wrong? He stuck Jealousy on 1+9+8+2... Quo did rerecord it themselves to the point you couldn't tell them apart. Alan wasn't even sure it was the Quo version that made it to the album. Back to Back - I Wonder Why "Pissed all over Alan"? well no he didn't. He used him that's for sure, but he didn't really have a decision other than go back to Quo. PLEADED you will literally spout any ****e won't you. He went to Rossi and told him about Rhino and Jeff, also mentioning they had album obligations to live up to... Francis wasn't too sure on it cause as I've said HE WAS DONE WITH QUO. They had a rehearsal or whatever together and then he gained some interest... on doing the albums, not going out and touring. Edit; I'll also just mention that Rossi was going behind band members backs and recording his vocals on their tracks... Ol' Rag Blues (Alan) and Too Close To The Ground (Rick), which both Rick and Alan were miffed about cause neither track was for Rossi.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:21:13 GMT
So Francis stuck songs intended on a solo release on 1+9+8+2.. that’s the biggest Mel Gibson yet ! That album. Agreed ****, was solely a QUO release for their 20th. Massive push for it a a QUO release and they were bigging it up the previous year to start the push for it. When I read through your nonsense your dates and timings are all over the shop. The simple truth is Rick was skint....walked and p.....d all over Alan to get some wads back in his pocket and PLEADED with Francis to put Wuo back together with his 2 session musicians...and that is what ACTUALLY and PHYSICALLY happened. Irrespective of what Francis has done since! Both solo and with Quo. And yes how many times do we have to agree that Francis has admitted he does it for the money now. So that’s not even a talking point ! How am I wrong? He stuck Jealousy on 1+9+8+2... Quo did rerecord it themselves to the point you couldn't tell them apart. Alan wasn't even sure it was the Quo version that made it to the album. Back to Back - I Wonder Why "Pissed all over Alan"? well no he didn't. He used him that's for sure, but he didn't really have a decision other than go back to Quo. PLEADED you will literally spout any ****e won't you. He went to Rossi and told him about Rhino and Jeff, also mentioning they had album obligations to live up to... Francis wasn't too sure on it cause as I've said HE WAS DONE WITH QUO. They had a rehearsal or whatever together and then he gained some interest... on doing the albums, not going out and touring. Edit; I'll also just mention that Rossi was going behind band members backs and recording his vocals on their tracks... Ol' Rag Blues (Alan) and Too Close To The Ground (Rick), which both Rick and Alan were miffed about cause neither track was for Rossi. All correct as far as I am aware, think Viking has his own "fact" a little confused & ever so slightly (?!) slanted to make out Rossi did no wrong. The bit I highlighted in yer post above says it all for me, Rossi really did think , even then, that it was HIS band and he could do whatever he wanted to do without asking the others, and this from the man who some seem to think, does no wrong
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:29:26 GMT
Well yes, he wanted to leave Quo around the early 80's and literally says so himself in the inner sleeve notes on the recent deluxe editions of either Just Supposin' or Never Too Late, end of. snakelady It wasn't behind Alans back at all. Rick told Alan he would be going back with Francis because he couldn't afford to be fined for not following up on album obligations. Management didn't like Alan so they wanted him gone, as did Rossi... They wanted a Quo fronted by Rick and Francis. Alan was pissed off at the fact he had been *used* by Rick, as Alan was helping him get back on his feet. "The EOTR tour didn't bring in the money they'd hoped and Rick was still broke, so he finally told Alan the truth which was that he couldn't form a new band with him and leave Quo. He said, "I'm better off with Francis because, he is more famous. Although I like you much more than Francis, I'm going with him because I need the money. I'm really sorry but I haven't got a choice." Around this time, Rick's cousin worked for the band, as wardrobe mistress and she claims that Francis longed for the day he was rich enough to walk away from Quo again. "Then he wouldn't have to put up with Rick's tantrums any more." In 82, Francis had told manager Colin Johnson that he wanted to pack it in. He and Rick were hardly speaking at this point. The manager sorted this by putting them on a personal appearances tour where they earned a fair amount of money and their friendship was rekindled again. And then they decided to record another album and got a great record deal. And by the time of their both recording solo albums, Rick was upset that Francis' album was a flop because it mean't that his album was cancelled by the record company and he couldn't get away from Francis. "He wanted to be a star in his own right." - All from Pattys book
Rick and Alan wanted to put their own thing together, probably with John but it didn't turn out that way purely down to money and being robbed by the management. It would actually be interesting to know when Alan kicked the drugs on the head .. As far as I recall, I have never read anywhere that Alan was taking drugs, can you tell me where you read this from please as I would very much like to see it
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 19, 2017 13:36:28 GMT
I'd be quite interested into where people have read that Alan was on drugs at any point? maybe a spliff or so in the early days, but I doubt he EVER touched cocaine, considering he was living in Australia at the time Rick and Francis started getting heavily into that.
Management were manipulating Rick and Francis whilst they were 'out of it', and that's why they didn't like Alan, because he knew what they (Management) was up to. Phonogram and Management had an aggressive relationship with Alan in the end... and Alan was asked to sell his shares in several companies.
He didn't make a settlement until 2008/09 prior to the reunion at Shepperton Studios in 2011.
Frame was the biggest drug user of them all, as he himself has stated. Rick could have one line (or go mad for an hour) and be done for the day, whereas Rossi needed it all day
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:39:54 GMT
I'd be quite interested into where people have read that Alan was on drugs at any point? maybe a spliff or so in the early days, but I doubt he EVER touched cocaine, considering he was living in Australia at the time Rick and Francis started getting heavily into that.Management were manipulating Rick and Francis whilst they were 'out of it', and that's why they didn't like Alan, because he knew what they (Management) was up to. Phonogram and Management had an aggressive relationship with Alan in the end... and Alan was asked to sell his shares in several companies. He didn't make a settlement until 2008/09 prior to the reunion at Shepperton Studios in 2011. Frame was the biggest drug user of them all, as he himself has stated. Rick could have one line (or go mad for an hour) and be done for the day, whereas Rossi needed it all day Its often been mentioned on here Alan was a drug taker, I have never read anything (and I have read a lot) about Alan taking drugs, maybe, as you suggest, the odd spliff, but thats not the same as snorting coke 24/7 as the biggest drug addict in the band did. I have all the books, maybe its said in one of those, anyway I look forward to the board leader, who has obviously read that Alan was a drug taker/addict to show me the link, as I must have missed it
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Post by mortified on Nov 19, 2017 13:43:03 GMT
I've never actually read anywhere that Alan took drugs; not specifically. But reference is always made, both by John and the band, that Spud was the only one who didn't smoke so tended to feel left out when the weed was being passed round. So, indirectly, the inference is that Alan smoked weed. A Class B drug and illegal then just as it is now.
Whether he took coke or not, I have no idea, although it was apparently free-flowing in Montserrat when they were recording Back To Back. Maybe he abstained, maybe he didn't. Maybe the paranoia was all one-sided, maybe it wasn't. Whatever went on, it resulted in Quo's worst ever album in my view and everyone was culpable with the mediocre material.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:47:57 GMT
I've never actually read anywhere that Alan took drugs; not specifically. But reference is always made, both by John and the band, that Spud was the only one who didn't smoke so tended to feel left out when the weed was being passed round. So, indirectly, the inference is that Alan smoked weed. A Class B drug and illegal then just as it is now. Whether he took coke or not, I have no idea, although it was apparently free-flowing in Montserrat when they were recording Back To Back. Maybe he abstained, maybe he didn't. Maybe the paranoia was all one-sided, maybe it wasn't. Whatever went on, it resulted in Quo's worst ever album in my view and everyone was culpable with the mediocre material. To me, smoking the odd spliff does not make the person a drug addict,, taking coke 24/7 is a drug addict., weed should never have been illegal in the UK, it isn't in Holland, it can actually help certain medical conditions. I smoke cigarettes, does that make me a drug addict, given that nicotine is a drug ?
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Post by mortified on Nov 19, 2017 14:02:10 GMT
I've never actually read anywhere that Alan took drugs; not specifically. But reference is always made, both by John and the band, that Spud was the only one who didn't smoke so tended to feel left out when the weed was being passed round. So, indirectly, the inference is that Alan smoked weed. A Class B drug and illegal then just as it is now. Whether he took coke or not, I have no idea, although it was apparently free-flowing in Montserrat when they were recording Back To Back. Maybe he abstained, maybe he didn't. Maybe the paranoia was all one-sided, maybe it wasn't. Whatever went on, it resulted in Quo's worst ever album in my view and everyone was culpable with the mediocre material. To me, smoking the odd spliff does not make the person a drug addict,, taking coke 24/7 is a drug addict., weed should never have been illegal in the UK, it isn't in Holland, it can actually help certain medical conditions. I smoke cigarettes, does that make me a drug addict, given that nicotine is a drug ? That's a completely different discussion. The question was (roughly paraphrasing) did Alan take drugs? If he smoked weed, he took drugs. The legitimacy of it's medicinal properties or otherwise is neither here nor there. And I don't recall seeing the word "addict" either. If we want to be pedantic then, did Alan take illegal drugs? I think almost certainly 'yes'. I'm not judging, just trying to answer the question.
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Post by problemshalved on Nov 19, 2017 15:46:21 GMT
As I have stated here before, one has to admire Frame for how he got his together, apparently without professional help, and got himself off the Charlie and Tequila. I think it accounts for some of his odd behaviour and why he has a hermit style life as its all part of his coping mechanism. Remember once an addict always an addict. I was married to an alcoholic who was on 2 bottles of Vodka a day and trust me its not a pretty sight. Unfortunately she went the Rick route of denial and died at an early age of 39. Frame has hinted that he saw old behaviours returning during the FF reunion and I can only assume he meant Rick. The rest is history. Drugs and alcohol in volume are destructive whether it be weed or harder stuff full stop. The Rock business is full of such casualties
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Nov 19, 2017 15:47:43 GMT
I think that the 3 of them were taking one form of drug or another at that point in time. Though Rick cut out the weed after the "Witch" experience, though Coke was being passed around everywhere back then. The only one who didn't was JC though he did drink for England at the time.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Nov 19, 2017 16:09:18 GMT
No you're not reading it wrong... Like Ive has said... Had Rossis solo album done well in 1985 (or had it been released) he wouldn't have gone back at all, but it didn't so he tried again around the mid 90's (a period in Quo that he didn't like) and then finally in 2010 he actually did something as a solo artist (using some Quo tracks)... went okay, said he would do something again and hasn't 7 years on. Rossi has stated that at that period he was DONE with Quo. He only changed his mind because the RC dropped his solo album, 'Flying Debris'(?). So he returned to somewhere that he knew he could make money from. Correct on all counts. Rossi has NOT really wanted Quo since the 80's, he had no choice though, if he wanted money. Like I have said before, his only solo attempt instead of the band was 1985. The other two solo stints were as well as the band in between the Quo stuff. Even Rhino does it, when there is a break in the Quo routine. To say he has been trying to leave Quo for the last 30 odd years is laughable, besides Rossi knew since 85 along with the rest of us he was never going to succeed outside of Quo anyway, so why would he be trying to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 9:41:16 GMT
Correct on all counts. Rossi has NOT really wanted Quo since the 80's, he had no choice though, if he wanted money. Like I have said before, his only solo attempt instead of the band was 1985. The other two solo stints were as well as the band in between the Quo stuff. Even Rhino does it, when there is a break in the Quo routine. To say he has been trying to leave Quo for the last 30 odd years is laughable, besides Rossi knew since 85 along with the rest of us he was never going to succeed outside of Quo anyway, so why would he be trying to leave. Do you think Rossi would had gone back to SQ if they had NOT owed the R.C albums ?
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 20, 2017 16:21:28 GMT
Like I have said before, his only solo attempt instead of the band was 1985. The other two solo stints were as well as the band in between the Quo stuff. Even Rhino does it, when there is a break in the Quo routine. To say he has been trying to leave Quo for the last 30 odd years is laughable, besides Rossi knew since 85 along with the rest of us he was never going to succeed outside of Quo anyway, so why would he be trying to leave. Do you think Rossi would had gone back to SQ if they had NOT owed the R.C albums ? Not with Alan, no.
They only found out that they could continue Quo without Alan because of the necessity of recording the 3 albums they owed.
It was a perfect storm really to ensure that Quo reformed (without Alan and continued); failure of solo career (non-release of Flying Debris), "you owe us 3 albums or lots of money", yes you can reform the band without Alan. If any of those things hadn't happened, the band wouldn't have continued at the time. But Francis and Rick both needed to earn money, and it was easier for them to do that together.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 18:42:56 GMT
Do you think Rossi would had gone back to SQ if they had NOT owed the R.C albums ? Not with Alan, no.
They only found out that they could continue Quo without Alan because of the necessity of recording the 3 albums they owed.
It was a perfect storm really to ensure that Quo reformed (without Alan and continued); failure of solo career (non-release of Flying Debris), "you owe us 3 albums or lots of money", yes you can reform the band without Alan. If any of those things hadn't happened, the band wouldn't have continued at the time. But Francis and Rick both needed to earn money, and it was easier for them to do that together.
Ok, I will try again, if they had not had owed the R.C albums, and assured that Alan would not had been in the band anymore, would Rossi have got back with the band ?
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 20, 2017 19:11:01 GMT
Not with Alan, no.
They only found out that they could continue Quo without Alan because of the necessity of recording the 3 albums they owed.
It was a perfect storm really to ensure that Quo reformed (without Alan and continued); failure of solo career (non-release of Flying Debris), "you owe us 3 albums or lots of money", yes you can reform the band without Alan. If any of those things hadn't happened, the band wouldn't have continued at the time. But Francis and Rick both needed to earn money, and it was easier for them to do that together.
Ok, I will try again, if they had not had owed the R.C albums, and assured that Alan would not had been in the band anymore, would Rossi have got back with the band ? Obviously no-one knows and we're all just guessing. I see what you're getting at (the style of music), but there's a chance that he would have reformed Quo with Rick (even if they didn't owe the albums) as they both needed to make money and still had a fan base as SQ. Also, don't forget that during the 80's they were basically releasing whatever style of music they wanted as Status Quo. It was poppy Quo, not classic Quo, and FR was happy with that. So the reforming of the band might not have been as urgent, but I think it would probably still have happened at some point in the next few years IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 19:13:15 GMT
Ok, I will try again, if they had not had owed the R.C albums, and assured that Alan would not had been in the band anymore, would Rossi have got back with the band ? Obviously no-one knows and we're all just guessing. I see what you're getting at (the style of music), but there's a chance that he would have reformed Quo with Rick (even if they didn't owe the albums) as they both needed to make money and still had a fan base as SQ. Also, don't forget that during the 80's they were basically releasing whatever style of music they wanted as Status Quo. It was poppy Quo, not classic Quo, and FR was happy with that. So the reforming of the band might not have been as urgent, but I think it would probably still have happened at some point in the next few years IMO. Fair enough, that's fair comment, its your'e opinion, I understand that, I think a little differently,, but to each their own
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 20, 2017 19:23:00 GMT
Obviously no-one knows and we're all just guessing. I see what you're getting at (the style of music), but there's a chance that he would have reformed Quo with Rick (even if they didn't owe the albums) as they both needed to make money and still had a fan base as SQ. Also, don't forget that during the 80's they were basically releasing whatever style of music they wanted as Status Quo. It was poppy Quo, not classic Quo, and FR was happy with that. So the reforming of the band might not have been as urgent, but I think it would probably still have happened at some point in the next few years IMO. Fair enough, that's fair comment, its your'e opinion, I understand that, I think a little differently,, but to each their own Fair enough. If you're right though, would they not have done the 3 albums and then knocked it on the head (especially as the 3rd one was Perfect Remedy which only sold about 3 copies)!?! But what they actually did was started to sound a bit more like Quo after that (RTYD).
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