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Post by viking55 on Nov 16, 2017 23:52:42 GMT
I see a couple of reply’s in the offending thread have been removed. Saved me an email.
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Post by problemshalved on Nov 17, 2017 8:12:31 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but under UK Law unless a will states otherwise, allthe estate flows to his wife. As the twins are still at an age where they are dependant, it would make perfect sense to leave all his estate to his wife as there are additionally no inheritance tax issues when the wife is the benefactor. Of course this may be complicated by his Spanish residency
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Post by snakelady on Nov 17, 2017 8:41:30 GMT
You may have lit the fire knowing how the thread was going to develop imho ! It’s an absolute disgrace the sort of behaviour on a personal level that is being directed toward Francis. It would be a disgrace levelling it at anyone. It’s basically not far from being absolute slander ! Far from the reason I started it actually. Back on Rickys board we got an update about Bernie Frost from a member I can't remember the name of, and I was hoping they'd see it and give us another update. I didn't know Rossi had mentioned him in an interview from 2001 as that was my first time seeing it. There's next to nothing on the web about Bernie Frost and his "life after Quo". So don't just assume in future (as for what goes on, on the other board... why read it if you don't like it?) Some relative of Bernie's (nephew I think ?) did post on one of the former mbs. Saying Bernie had been going through some rough times, but he'd be aware it was his own mistakes that let him there. And that he'd only ever talk positively about Francis and still holds him in high regards. It wasn't that long ago actually .. Concerning Rick - he was (still) married to Lindsay and their kids are still under age. So Rick will have had to leave them substantial legitimate shares, whether he wanted to or not. And it's understandable that Lindsay will have tried to secure as much of what's been left as possible. The small kids will need it the most. RPJ and Harry will get their shares too in any case. Going by what has been said by Lindsay, they had been mainly living of her money anyway. If that was the case she'll be able to prove it, there might not be much left to share between the older boys. We know Rick was not the type to save for a rainy day - for himself or his family. All this has nothing to do with Francis though. He lost a friend and a business partner, both of which will be hard and complicated enough - the first in an emotional sense, the latter will have consequences for the band, one way or other ..
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Post by mortified on Nov 17, 2017 9:25:43 GMT
I've always steered clear of the whole Francis v Rick thing because I don't really feel qualified to contribute. I don't know a damned thing! And I will not pay heed to gossip on social media whether it's from an 'official' source or not.
There will be huge flaws on both sides. There have to be. If anyone thinks one is a villain (whichever one) and the other a saint, then that's surely inaccurate. Both are/were complicated individuals sheltered by a life in "The Bubble" for close on 5 decades. No one on here can even remotely put themselves in that position.
My only addition to the argument is to question why none of the rest of the band felt the need to up and go at any stage, even after all the questionable U-turns this past year. At least two of them will be independently wealthy so it won't be down to paying the mortgage. My suspicion is that they are happier; both professionally and personally. But it is only a suspicion.
RPJ is a very nice man; a gentleman like his father. Met him a couple of times. And he is obviously very protective of his dad. Who wouldn't be? You have to admire him for it. I dare say Nick Rossi would be the same in a similar position.
That's about it really. Can't think of anything else worthwhile to say on the whole sorry (social) media driven saga.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 17, 2017 12:51:08 GMT
Re: in bold above, correct, but because its likely to be something not good about Rossi it will be wrong/incorrect/false/rumours etc etc on here Thing is, as you state, we do not know, we may never know,, I don't think current fans have any right to diss anything like this, given their leader and his band have made several snide/veiled remarks regarding Rick during the past year, of course though, that will be the truth There is no smoke without fire, so there has to be something in it, personally, I doubt anything will be made public, as to do so, if is false means the person making the claims is likely to be sued for slander, however if it is true, well that could result in all sorts of legal wranglings between the parties. Its just a great shame Rick never completed that book You do sound like a third rate rag .. Where's the dissing 'current' fans do ? And there actually are a lot of false claims, without any smoke, fire or truth involved .. We already have a very thorough biog from both F+R that reaches up till about 10 years ago. It ends just before he met Lindsay and left Patty - with Rick claiming, that now he knew him and Patty had something special and he'd stay with her forever. So typical Rick ..
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Post by smokie on Nov 17, 2017 13:32:30 GMT
I think it’s interesting/concerning how eager some are to blame Francis without any real cast iron evidence.
I’ve said this before but I don’t think Francis is as bad as some would hope and equally, I doubt if Rick is The White Saint as some would have us believe. As always, the truth will be somewhere in the middle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 13:44:06 GMT
Re: in bold above, correct, but because its likely to be something not good about Rossi it will be wrong/incorrect/false/rumours etc etc on here Thing is, as you state, we do not know, we may never know,, I don't think current fans have any right to diss anything like this, given their leader and his band have made several snide/veiled remarks regarding Rick during the past year, of course though, that will be the truth There is no smoke without fire, so there has to be something in it, personally, I doubt anything will be made public, as to do so, if is false means the person making the claims is likely to be sued for slander, however if it is true, well that could result in all sorts of legal wranglings between the parties. Its just a great shame Rick never completed that book You do sound like a third rate rag .. Where's the dissing 'current' fans do ? And there actually are a lot of false claims, without any smoke, fire or truth involved .. We already have a very thorough biog from both F+R that reaches up till about 10 years ago. It ends just before he met Lindsay and left Patty - with Rick claiming, that now he knew him and Patty had something special and he'd stay with her forever. So typical Rick .. It would seem to me that there are false claims from BOTH sides re: the band. The dissing current fans do ?, well how about the immortal classic "if you are a true and loyal fan you will support them in anything they do",, of course you overlook the digs yer man Rossi and chums also made regarding Rick,, oh I forgot, it was tongue in cheek huh ?!, how about the digs on here about Alan & Rick, the digs about FF, how about your'e own comment that Rick didn't care for his kids ?! Current fans motto would appear to be "its everyone else's fault except Rossi's" I thought the golden rule on here is to treat ALL band members with respect, clearly that's not the case on here, and if someone (usually me!) dares to knock Rossi then all hell usually breaks loose And you wonder why that band, and him especially are loathed by so many and rapidly become a laughing stock, karma is now biting where it hurts,in the wallet All IMHO of course
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 14:00:34 GMT
It’s an absolute disgrace the sort of behaviour on a personal level that is being directed toward Francis. It would be a disgrace levelling it at anyone. It’s basically not far from being absolute slander ! But its perfectly ok to tar Patty, correct ?
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Post by coldwarkid on Nov 17, 2017 17:05:30 GMT
It’s an absolute disgrace the sort of behaviour on a personal level that is being directed toward Francis. It would be a disgrace levelling it at anyone. It’s basically not far from being absolute slander ! But its perfectly ok to tar Patty, correct ? It's a sad fact but what's appeared about Miss Beedon is true and in some cases only the tip of the iceburg. She has always been and remains a gold digging manipulator.
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Post by viking55 on Nov 17, 2017 17:12:18 GMT
Bringing Ms Parfitt as a major talking point on Boards about past and current members of a band called Status Quo and their music is a sign of hidden agendas and desperation imho !
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 17, 2017 17:49:19 GMT
It’s an absolute disgrace the sort of behaviour on a personal level that is being directed toward Francis. It would be a disgrace levelling it at anyone. It’s basically not far from being absolute slander ! But its perfectly ok to tar Patty, correct ? What's the surprise? He's the most problematic / hypocritical person I've ever come across. Likes to try and get people to bite his bait... hence why he left the other board because people weren't interested
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 17, 2017 17:56:36 GMT
I see a couple of reply’s in the offending thread have been removed. Saved me an email. Email to who exactly... you have no say of what goes on, on that board. End of. Don't like it don't read it, but as I've pointed out you like to cause issues because you're a problematic person. Without a doubt a keyboard warrior. You still haven't replied to me as to why you ASSUMED I made that thread cause I "knew" how it'd end up... End of the day, you only accept what Rossi says. If Patty says something she's a gold digger, if Alan says something he's bitter... and whatever else you've said about people. Neither could be true, or both could be true... end of the day you don't know, neither do I nor does anybody else. Sad it really is. To say you're an adult, you've got some growing up to do... acting like a high school kid trying to get attention here and there
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Post by viking55 on Nov 17, 2017 18:01:05 GMT
Quoincidence your evidence would be thrown out. Who called Ms parfitt a Gold digger ??? Not me. I gave a very reasonable counter argument reply of you sctually take the time and scroll back. Your next question ??
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 17, 2017 18:08:36 GMT
Quoincidence your evidence would be thrown out. Who called Ms parfitt a Gold digger ??? Not me. I gave a very reasonable counter argument reply of you sctually take the time and scroll back. Your next question ?? Fair enough, the gold digger comment was ColdWarKid... but don't act as if you don't dispute everything everyone else has to say, but the minute Rossi says something, you agree with every word. Like Ive said... you don't like hate being directed a Francis in such a 'vulgar' way, but with Patty it's well deserved? If she's "living off of the Parfitt name", well isn't Rossi still living off of the Status Quo name? How about a change of name for the both of them? Reasonable, or is it acceptable for Rossi to still make a living off of a band he's wanted to ditch since the 1980's to pursue a Solo Career...
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Post by viking55 on Nov 17, 2017 18:15:07 GMT
Bringing Ms Parfitt as a major talking point on Boards about past and current members of a band called Status Quo and their music is a sign of hidden agendas and desperation imho ! This ! No further comment !
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Nov 17, 2017 18:36:08 GMT
Quoincidence your evidence would be thrown out. Who called Ms parfitt a Gold digger ??? Not me. I gave a very reasonable counter argument reply of you sctually take the time and scroll back. Your next question ?? Fair enough, the gold digger comment was ColdWarKid... but don't act as if you don't dispute everything everyone else has to say, but the minute Rossi says something, you agree with every word. Like Ive said... you don't like hate being directed a Francis in such a 'vulgar' way, but with Patty it's well deserved? If she's "living off of the Parfitt name", well isn't Rossi still living off of the Status Quo name? How about a change of name for the both of them? Reasonable, or is it acceptable for Rossi to still make a living off of a band he's wanted to ditch since the 1980's to pursue a Solo Career... I don't think he has wanted to ditch the name since the 80's to pursue a solo career tho has he. He is tho making a living off a band he co formed to start with
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Post by viking55 on Nov 17, 2017 23:46:24 GMT
He had the 2 singles in 1985 when QUO were disbanded and then he was approached by another member to consider putting QUO back together suggesting to Francis he had worked with 2 guys who would be perfect for the band. And that has been quoted in various interviews etc down the years which we all know. And since then STATUS QUO have continued to exist thanks to those suggestions.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 18, 2017 8:01:07 GMT
He had the 2 singles in 1985 when QUO were disbanded and then he was approached by another member to consider putting QUO back together suggesting to Francis he had worked with 2 guys who would be perfect for the band. And that has been quoted in various interviews etc down the years which we all know. And since then STATUS QUO have continued to exist thanks to those suggestions. Indeed .. and back to discussing the band instead of personal digs and accusations. Rcik approached Francis behind Alan's back, because the record company wouldn't have him and Alan as Status Quo and he was in desperate need of the money. Especially since the RC obviously had a contract with the band and threatened to sue them to get their money back. Rick wouldn't have been able to pay and Francis didn't fancy the prospect either. So Rick suggested putting the band together using Rhino and Jeff while ignoring Alan's calls. Francis got on well too with the two new guys and that was that. That's one part of Quo history we know rather exactly about what had been happening. The one thing I don't get from this is, how Francis in consequence is portrayed as a money-grabbing bastard as opposed to Rick .. ?
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Post by snakelady on Nov 18, 2017 8:23:14 GMT
You do sound like a third rate rag .. Where's the dissing 'current' fans do ? And there actually are a lot of false claims, without any smoke, fire or truth involved .. We already have a very thorough biog from both F+R that reaches up till about 10 years ago. It ends just before he met Lindsay and left Patty - with Rick claiming, that now he knew him and Patty had something special and he'd stay with her forever. So typical Rick .. It would seem to me that there are false claims from BOTH sides re: the band. The dissing current fans do ?, well how about the immortal classic "if you are a true and loyal fan you will support them in anything they do",, of course you overlook the digs yer man Rossi and chums also made regarding Rick,, oh I forgot, it was tongue in cheek huh ?!, how about the digs on here about Alan & Rick, the digs about FF, how about your'e own comment that Rick didn't care for his kids ?! Current fans motto would appear to be "its everyone else's fault except Rossi's" I thought the golden rule on here is to treat ALL band members with respect, clearly that's not the case on here, and if someone (usually me!) dares to knock Rossi then all hell usually breaks loose And you wonder why that band, and him especially are loathed by so many and rapidly become a laughing stock, karma is now biting where it hurts,in the wallet All IMHO of course You're inventing things here to justify what you're doing. Where's the dissing current fans do or their motto"its everyone else's fault except Rossi's" ? Where has anybody on here said "if you are a true and loyal fan you will support them in anything they do" ? Which are the digs Francis 'and chums' have made regarding Rick ? Where on here are digs aimed at Alan or the FF ? Where did I say Rick didn't care about his kids ? What I said is he cared about himself the most - that's a big difference. I'm sure he dearly loved his kids. But Rick has always done what Rick wanted and he did hurt his various families in consequence. He was aware of it though and did blame himself. Read the biography. He was aware of the hurt he caused and tried to at least afterwards make up for it. And again your choice of words is extremely aggressive 'loathed', 'laughing stock' .. It's just a band, it's just music ! Don't make false claims to justify your aggression. And don't tell me you've seen it elsewhere. If you've seen it elsewhere, discuss it there, but don't attack members on here for something they've never said. Claims like those above are not your opinion as you talk about what others do or say. They're either true or false, so 'IMVHO' is simply wrong in the context.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 12:37:45 GMT
It would seem to me that there are false claims from BOTH sides re: the band. The dissing current fans do ?, well how about the immortal classic "if you are a true and loyal fan you will support them in anything they do",, of course you overlook the digs yer man Rossi and chums also made regarding Rick,, oh I forgot, it was tongue in cheek huh ?!, how about the digs on here about Alan & Rick, the digs about FF, how about your'e own comment that Rick didn't care for his kids ?! Current fans motto would appear to be "its everyone else's fault except Rossi's" I thought the golden rule on here is to treat ALL band members with respect, clearly that's not the case on here, and if someone (usually me!) dares to knock Rossi then all hell usually breaks loose And you wonder why that band, and him especially are loathed by so many and rapidly become a laughing stock, karma is now biting where it hurts,in the wallet All IMHO of course You're inventing things here to justify what you're doing. Where's the dissing current fans do or their motto"its everyone else's fault except Rossi's" ? Where has anybody on here said "if you are a true and loyal fan you will support them in anything they do" ? Which are the digs Francis 'and chums' have made regarding Rick ? Where on here are digs aimed at Alan or the FF ? Where did I say Rick didn't care about his kids ? What I said is he cared about himself the most - that's a big difference. I'm sure he dearly loved his kids. But Rick has always done what Rick wanted and he did hurt his various families in consequence. He was aware of it though and did blame himself. Read the biography. He was aware of the hurt he caused and tried to at least afterwards make up for it. And again your choice of words is extremely aggressive 'loathed', 'laughing stock' .. It's just a band, it's just music ! Don't make false claims to justify your aggression. And don't tell me you've seen it elsewhere. If you've seen it elsewhere, discuss it there, but don't attack members on here for something they've never said. Claims like those above are not your opinion as you talk about what others do or say. They're either true or false, so 'IMVHO' is simply wrong in the context. No, wrong! I am not inventing nothing, that's just the usual response I tend to get when I make valid points and there is no decent counter response. Nobody "on here" has uttered the true/fan quote, etc, I NEVER said it was from on here now did I ?! what I said was current fans, meaning from anywhere, sorry that was not made more obvious to you. You deny then there are veiled digs at both Alan & Rick on here then ?, I thought you might. Perhaps then, in that case you will also deny there is a clear bias for Rossi and all he does on here to ? You obviously do not remember the digs at Rick from Rossi and his chum regarding Ricks solo album, you do not remember the disrespect shown at his funeral by the bass man looking like a drunk ? You really trying to tell me there are no digs at Alan on here ?! Correct, you didn't say directly Rick didn't care, but an interpretation of you're own words makes it obvious is was a slur and a dig and thats what you were implying No, not false claims at all, I know what I read, and as for if its elsewhere discuss it elsewhere, I already do, as a side issue, I note its ok for a certain other member to mention and dig at "the other board", whenever I have done so in the past, I got one of your'e lectures, I note that he didn't get "told off" The words Loathe etc, are fact, they are loathed by many, I should know, I read enough comments elsewhere saying just that, and far worse, they wouldn't stand a chance on here saying that, I stand by my comment 100%, have a go at Rossi on here and "the few loyals" on here spit the dummy out, everytime. This is a Status Quo board, treat ALL members with respect, you have told me, many times, that don't happen on here, maybe you should consider renaming the board, to something like "Rossi & Friends fan board ?
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 18, 2017 17:04:50 GMT
Fair enough, the gold digger comment was ColdWarKid... but don't act as if you don't dispute everything everyone else has to say, but the minute Rossi says something, you agree with every word. Like Ive said... you don't like hate being directed a Francis in such a 'vulgar' way, but with Patty it's well deserved? If she's "living off of the Parfitt name", well isn't Rossi still living off of the Status Quo name? How about a change of name for the both of them? Reasonable, or is it acceptable for Rossi to still make a living off of a band he's wanted to ditch since the 1980's to pursue a Solo Career... I don't think he has wanted to ditch the name since the 80's to pursue a solo career tho has he. He is tho making a living off a band he co formed to start with Well yes, he wanted to leave Quo around the early 80's and literally says so himself in the inner sleeve notes on the recent deluxe editions of either Just Supposin' or Never Too Late, end of. snakelady It wasn't behind Alans back at all. Rick told Alan he would be going back with Francis because he couldn't afford to be fined for not following up on album obligations. Management didn't like Alan so they wanted him gone, as did Rossi... They wanted a Quo fronted by Rick and Francis. Alan was pissed off at the fact he had been *used* by Rick, as Alan was helping him get back on his feet. "The EOTR tour didn't bring in the money they'd hoped and Rick was still broke, so he finally told Alan the truth which was that he couldn't form a new band with him and leave Quo. He said, "I'm better off with Francis because, he is more famous. Although I like you much more than Francis, I'm going with him because I need the money. I'm really sorry but I haven't got a choice." Around this time, Rick's cousin worked for the band, as wardrobe mistress and she claims that Francis longed for the day he was rich enough to walk away from Quo again. "Then he wouldn't have to put up with Rick's tantrums any more." In 82, Francis had told manager Colin Johnson that he wanted to pack it in. He and Rick were hardly speaking at this point. The manager sorted this by putting them on a personal appearances tour where they earned a fair amount of money and their friendship was rekindled again. And then they decided to record another album and got a great record deal. And by the time of their both recording solo albums, Rick was upset that Francis' album was a flop because it mean't that his album was cancelled by the record company and he couldn't get away from Francis. "He wanted to be a star in his own right." - All from Pattys book
Rick and Alan wanted to put their own thing together, probably with John but it didn't turn out that way purely down to money and being robbed by the management.
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 18, 2017 17:12:44 GMT
He had the 2 singles in 1985 when QUO were disbanded and then he was approached by another member to consider putting QUO back together suggesting to Francis he had worked with 2 guys who would be perfect for the band. And that has been quoted in various interviews etc down the years which we all know. And since then STATUS QUO have continued to exist thanks to those suggestions. He might have had 2 singles but they didn't exactly do a great performance did they? Jealousy - Chart Position #98 Modern Romance - Chart Position #54 "Alan was the only person at that time who knew that they were ripped off by Phonogram and Quarry and they were for him a pain in the arse. They asked him to resign and to sell his shares in several companies : Quo Entertainments LTD and Classic Moore Ltd. Also John was still shareholder in Classic Moore Limited." "In the end, the relationship between Quarry and Alan was very aggressive. They were no longer on speaking terms. They were upset that Alan knew too much about financial issues." The only reason Alan didn't come back to Quo. Rick NEEDED to go back to Quo because he wasn't financially stable to be fined by the RC for not recording the 3 albums they were obligated to. When Rossi returned to Quo he didn't think/want it to last too long... his estimate was that they'd last for 5 more years. Then David Walker come in and solved the bands financial issues and helped them survive with the constant Publicity Stunts. The only reason they survived from that point onwards
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Nov 18, 2017 21:24:30 GMT
Quoincidence, yes Francis left in the 80s to go solo, and that all changed by 86 .But what your saying is , that he is still making a living off a band he has been trying to leave since the 80s to pursue a solo career, suggests that for over 30 years he has been trying to leave Quo??Or am I reading that wrong??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 21:40:59 GMT
Quoincidence, yes Francis left in the 80s to go solo, and that all changed by 86 .But what your saying is , that he is still making a living off a band he has been trying to leave since the 80s to pursue a solo career, suggests that for over 30 years he has been trying to leave Quo??Or am I reading that wrong?? Isaac, IF Rossi's solo career had become what he hoped it would be , do you still think he would had carried on with SQ ?
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Nov 18, 2017 21:43:58 GMT
Quoincidence, yes Francis left in the 80s to go solo, and that all changed by 86 .But what your saying is , that he is still making a living off a band he has been trying to leave since the 80s to pursue a solo career, suggests that for over 30 years he has been trying to leave Quo??Or am I reading that wrong?? Isaac, IF Rossi's solo career had become what he hoped it would be , do you still think he would had carried on with SQ ? If and buts Ive, we will never know for sure tho will we?
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