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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 12, 2017 19:05:16 GMT
Thought I'd add as well johns , this song comes from 1985 when Rick was down on life... he was near enough broke, just about getting by with life with help from Alan... If anything the lyrics couldn't be more true about what he was going through at the time. He lost his daughter not long before this and then he split with his with which also tore him apart from Rick Parfitt JNR. If you find them NAFF then I think it's down right insensitive... It's not about if it was a Rossi song it would be torn apart, that's you just trying to start something. This is about the music a LEGEND has created for us for god knows how many years, music ran through his veins... he gave us 100% on days when he probably wasn't feeling 100% about himself. He said he felt as if HE let the fans down when he had to leave Quo, which is far from the truth... Show some respect. you might not like it fair enough, but don't be an arse. Gees even back in 1985 I would have found the lyrics naff. And even though Rick is no longer with us I am not going to say anything different. Really not sure why you think I am being insensitive. Do I have to like it purely because of the sentiments? or because Rick isn't here? Sorry but why do I need to sugar coat it? I am well aware of Rick's status (no pun intended) as a rock god and I am well aware of what he gave to Quo, but please don't tell me I am being disrespectful because I don't like the song. Far from being an arse I am giving my opinion on it which as far as I can tell I am entitled to do. Never said you had to like it because he's dead did I? Never said you had to sugar coat it either Criticise the song all you like, tbh I was unsure when I only heard a couple seconds whilst I was busy at work, but when I heard the full track I loved it... not because of the fact he's gone but because of the fact he can write some beautiful soft songs. But you are being an arse and being insensitive about it... The lyrics were aimed towards his only son at the time saying it's not your fault, it's mine... owning up for the mistakes he had made in that marriage. Instead of saying naff "meaning uncool, tacky, unfashionable, worthless..." you could have said "I'm not too keen on the lyrics". And you also tried to start a whole Rossi vs Rick war by saying "If this had been a Rossi song it would be ripped to shreads." Nothing to do with Rossi so why bother bringing him up lol On the other board we are having a "Positive, well mannered discussion" about it... some like it and some don't, but we're not trying to make it about Rossi or ripping it to shreads... we are talking about it more from a musical point of view, not 'Oh this song is e and the lyrics are naff'
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Post by smokie on Dec 12, 2017 19:34:50 GMT
That’s the “well mannered” part of this discussion gone then, isn’t it?
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 12, 2017 19:39:12 GMT
That’s the “well mannered” part of this discussion gone then, isn’t it? Gone where exactly... like I said, "on the other board" ya'know cause we're not purely out for causing trouble on that side unlike some Edit; I'm still waiting for that proof/evidence as well smokie... or do you not have any and that's why you blatantly ignore my replies All I'll say is Johns wasn't well mannered from the outset, not surprising for this side though
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Post by johns on Dec 12, 2017 19:50:20 GMT
Gees even back in 1985 I would have found the lyrics naff. And even though Rick is no longer with us I am not going to say anything different. Really not sure why you think I am being insensitive. Do I have to like it purely because of the sentiments? or because Rick isn't here? Sorry but why do I need to sugar coat it? I am well aware of Rick's status (no pun intended) as a rock god and I am well aware of what he gave to Quo, but please don't tell me I am being disrespectful because I don't like the song. Far from being an arse I am giving my opinion on it which as far as I can tell I am entitled to do. Never said you had to like it because he's dead did I? Never said you had to sugar coat it either Criticise the song all you like, tbh I was unsure when I only heard a couple seconds whilst I was busy at work, but when I heard the full track I loved it... not because of the fact he's gone but because of the fact he can write some beautiful soft songs. But you are being an arse and being insensitive about it... The lyrics were aimed towards his only son at the time saying it's not your fault, it's mine... owning up for the **** mistakes he had made in that marriage. Instead of saying naff "meaning uncool, tacky, unfashionable, worthless..." you could have said "I'm not too keen on the lyrics". And you also tried to start a whole Rossi vs Rick war by saying "If this had been a Rossi song it would be ripped to shreads." Nothing to do with Rossi so why bother bringing him up lol On the other board we are having a "Positive, well mannered discussion" about it... some like it and some don't, but we're not trying to make it about Rossi or ripping it to shreads... we are talking about it more from a musical point of view, not 'Oh this song is ****e and the lyrics are naff' Oh dear oh dear. Wasn't trying to make it about Rick v Francis. It was just an observation. I really don't care if you find me saying the lyrics are naff as insenstive. Don't you think saying "I'm not to keen on the lyrics" would be sugar coating it? I didn't say it was S***e so you have that wrong. You seem to be the only person getting upset about my opinion of it.As I said before I am entitled to my opinion of it. Obviously we are not allowed to say anything bad about it or you wouldn't be making such a big thing of it.
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Post by johns on Dec 12, 2017 19:52:27 GMT
That’s the “well mannered” part of this discussion gone then, isn’t it? Gone where exactly... like I said, "on the other board" ya'know cause we're not purely out for causing trouble on that side unlike some Edit; I'm still waiting for that proof/evidence as well smokie... or do you not have any and that's why you blatantly ignore my replies All I'll say is Johns wasn't well mannered from the outset, not surprising for this side though Just because I gave my opinion and it doesn't agree with yours doesn't make me ill-mannered.
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 12, 2017 20:14:20 GMT
Never said you had to like it because he's dead did I? Never said you had to sugar coat it either Criticise the song all you like, tbh I was unsure when I only heard a couple seconds whilst I was busy at work, but when I heard the full track I loved it... not because of the fact he's gone but because of the fact he can write some beautiful soft songs. But you are being an arse and being insensitive about it... The lyrics were aimed towards his only son at the time saying it's not your fault, it's mine... owning up for the **** mistakes he had made in that marriage. Instead of saying naff "meaning uncool, tacky, unfashionable, worthless..." you could have said "I'm not too keen on the lyrics". And you also tried to start a whole Rossi vs Rick war by saying "If this had been a Rossi song it would be ripped to shreads." Nothing to do with Rossi so why bother bringing him up lol On the other board we are having a "Positive, well mannered discussion" about it... some like it and some don't, but we're not trying to make it about Rossi or ripping it to shreads... we are talking about it more from a musical point of view, not 'Oh this song is ****e and the lyrics are naff' Oh dear oh dear. Wasn't trying to make it about Rick v Francis. It was just an observation. I really don't care if you find me saying the lyrics are naff as insenstive. Don't you think saying "I'm not to keen on the lyrics" would be sugar coating it? I didn't say it was S***e so you have that wrong. You seem to be the only person getting upset about my opinion of it.As I said before I am entitled to my opinion of it. Obviously we are not allowed to say anything bad about it or you wouldn't be making such a big thing of it. No it wouldn't be sugar coating it, it's just called not being a ****. Thing is i'm not upset about you having an opinion dislike the song all you like I couldn't care less.. like I said I almost didn't like the track until hearing it in full. Everyone person that likes it there's always going to be someone that dislikes it. and I'll just say, If it was a Rossi song it would have gotten well deserved shtick cause he doesn't have the voice for softer tracks like that.
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 12, 2017 20:15:21 GMT
Gone where exactly... like I said, "on the other board" ya'know cause we're not purely out for causing trouble on that side unlike some Edit; I'm still waiting for that proof/evidence as well smokie... or do you not have any and that's why you blatantly ignore my replies All I'll say is Johns wasn't well mannered from the outset, not surprising for this side though Just because I gave my opinion and it doesn't agree with yours doesn't make me ill-mannered. I've heard what people have had to say about you johns and it couldn't stand out clearer to me that it's the truth
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Post by johns on Dec 12, 2017 21:18:42 GMT
Just because I gave my opinion and it doesn't agree with yours doesn't make me ill-mannered. I've heard what people have had to say about you johns and it couldn't stand out clearer to me that it's the truth Oh dear and now we get personal. No idea what you are on about as generally I have had disagreements with people before and normally it taken in the right way by them and also myself. I can only apologise to others on here that because i happened not to like this song that this thread has deteriorated into this. Not my intention but it seems you have a personal gripe with me as you have ignored other negative comments. Oh and the other side isn't as nicey nicey as you make out. Just accept that I don't care what you think and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 21:24:12 GMT
Just because I gave my opinion and it doesn't agree with yours doesn't make me ill-mannered. I've heard what people have had to say about you johns and it couldn't stand out clearer to me that it's the truth Let’s stick to discussing the song/Rick and leave personal insults to PM if you feel it necessary, though I’ve no idea why it would be. Cheers.
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Post by mortified on Dec 13, 2017 6:41:47 GMT
Maybe we should change the name of this site to The Degeneration Game. Cuddly toy; set of tea towels; Spectrum ZX; hair crimpers; Kerplunk; the bumper book of arguments....
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Post by smokie on Dec 13, 2017 8:36:00 GMT
Maybe we should change the name of this site to The Degeneration Game. Cuddly toy; set of tea towels; Spectrum ZX; hair crimpers; Kerplunk; the bumper book of arguments.... Let's have a look at the old scoreboard..............
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Post by mortified on Dec 13, 2017 8:44:08 GMT
Maybe we should change the name of this site to The Degeneration Game. Cuddly toy; set of tea towels; Spectrum ZX; hair crimpers; Kerplunk; the bumper book of arguments.... Let's have a look at the old scoreboard.............. Any Germans looking in or anyone under 40 won't have a clue
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Post by snakelady on Dec 13, 2017 9:14:51 GMT
To echo @bam's post -no personal attacks please, guys After all it's just a song and you either like it or you don't - that's nothing you choose deliberately, it simply happens. Nothing to do with Francis either. I happen to be one of those who find the song and Rick's singing on it awful. I'd much rather like it for Rick's sake, but I just don't. It sure was a subject dear to Rick's heart, it's just that he didn't make a good song of it IMO. To put it into perspective: I actually doubt sales figures would've bothered Rick in this case, but rather that his son got to hear it and know his feelings. IMO it would've been better had they used the vocals from 85, but maybe that wasn't possible and overall it's just not a good song. I do blame the alcohol and drug abuse of the time for it. On the other hand - Rick did come up with a beautiful ballad just about a year earlier. smokie has just added it to the song of the day thread. And now I do hope the rest of the album is better music-wise.
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Post by smokie on Dec 13, 2017 9:24:54 GMT
Taken from the official Status Quo Twitter feed. They tweeted/twitted/whatever it is that you call it:
Thanks to Ken Bruce from @bbcradio2 for the world exclusive first play of ‘Without You’ taken from Rick Parfitt’s posthumous solo album ‘Over and Out’, scheduled for release on 23/03/18. Let #BBCRadio2 know you'd like to hear more! Pre-order: smarturl.it/Rick_Parfit… pic.twitter.com/QME73tX…
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Post by mortified on Dec 13, 2017 9:29:21 GMT
I've just listened to the song for a second time. Hmm, it's a bit of a grower, I must admit. Like @inna says, not something to be played over and over again on a daily basis. It's one for certain moods. And I am now finding myself quite liking it. The fragility of Rick's voice adds to the poignancy I think. And I now know it's 'Richard's Song' but it could just about be about anyone; even the band if you think about it. I do like strings with my rock music. They just seem to work a lot of the time. And that lone piano is a bit of a Rick forte. Piano? Forte? Get it? I always give Quo stuff more than one chance. I'm glad I did with this. It's not half bad.
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Post by snakelady on Dec 13, 2017 9:35:02 GMT
Let's have a look at the old scoreboard.............. Any Germans looking in or anyone under 40 won't have a clue (I'm under 40, naturally .. )
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Post by mortified on Dec 13, 2017 10:01:29 GMT
Any Germans looking in or anyone under 40 won't have a clue (I'm under 40, naturally .. ) Naturally? Or are you "under 40" like my wife because she uses Lancôme?
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Post by smokie on Dec 13, 2017 10:06:31 GMT
I've just listened to the song for a second time. Hmm, it's a bit of a grower, I must admit. Like @inna says, not something to be played over and over again on a daily basis. It's one for certain moods. And I am now finding myself quite liking it. The fragility of Rick's voice adds to the poignancy I think. And I now know it's 'Richard's Song' but it could just about be about anyone; even the band if you think about it. I do like strings with my rock music. They just seem to work a lot of the time. And that lone piano is a bit of a Rick forte. Piano? Forte? Get it? I always give Quo stuff more than one chance. I'm glad I did with this. It's not half bad. When I first heard this, the vocal at the start, in a way but not exactly, reminded me of Francis at the start of Tongue Tied.
I think they used the demo for that to depict the very emotions that you describe but I'm not sure if it works as well with Without You.
I've only listened to it twice and I don't intend to listen to it much more. It is growing on me but if I keep on listening to it now, it will become a "skip" track when the album is released and I don't want that to happen. I want all the songs to be fresh and new.
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Post by mortified on Dec 13, 2017 10:39:58 GMT
I've just listened to the song for a second time. Hmm, it's a bit of a grower, I must admit. Like @inna says, not something to be played over and over again on a daily basis. It's one for certain moods. And I am now finding myself quite liking it. The fragility of Rick's voice adds to the poignancy I think. And I now know it's 'Richard's Song' but it could just about be about anyone; even the band if you think about it. I do like strings with my rock music. They just seem to work a lot of the time. And that lone piano is a bit of a Rick forte. Piano? Forte? Get it? I always give Quo stuff more than one chance. I'm glad I did with this. It's not half bad. When I first heard this, the vocal at the start, in a way but not exactly, reminded me of Francis at the start of Tongue Tied.
I think they used the demo for that to depict the very emotions that you describe but I'm not sure if it works as well with Without You.
I've only listened to it twice and I don't intend to listen to it much more. It is growing on me but if I keep on listening to it now, it will become a "skip" track when the album is released and I don't want that to happen. I want all the songs to be fresh and new.
That's a very good point actually. It's like when a Quo single was released and then hit the charts two months before the album came out. That track immediately became the first one to skip. You put it to one side while you listened to the new stuff you hadn't heard.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Dec 13, 2017 11:37:33 GMT
Thought I'd add as well johns , this song comes from 1985 when Rick was down on life... he was near enough broke, just about getting by with life with help from Alan... If anything the lyrics couldn't be more true about what he was going through at the time. He lost his daughter not long before this and then he split with his with which also tore him apart from Rick Parfitt JNR. If you find them NAFF then I think it's down right insensitive... It's not about if it was a Rossi song it would be torn apart, that's you just trying to start something. This is about the music a LEGEND has created for us for god knows how many years, music ran through his veins... he gave us 100% on days when he probably wasn't feeling 100% about himself. He said he felt as if HE let the fans down when he had to leave Quo, which is far from the truth... Show some respect. you might not like it fair enough, but don't be an arse. I totally agree with your comments about Rick.
The 'show some respect' comment would mean more if it worked both ways......but a lot of the time it doesn't. It's a shame some people don't show more respect to all members of the band.
Anyway let's keep to the subject....after all we have new material to discuss!
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Dec 13, 2017 14:03:07 GMT
That’s the “well mannered” part of this discussion gone then, isn’t it? Gone where exactly... like I said, "on the other board" ya'know cause we're not purely out for causing trouble on that side unlike some Edit; I'm still waiting for that proof/evidence as well smokie... or do you not have any and that's why you blatantly ignore my replies All I'll say is Johns wasn't well mannered from the outset, not surprising for this side though Not really fair to have a go at the whole board because one person has upset you. There are a lot of people who are rude on the other board as well, but they are individuals, not the whole board. We don't have derogatory names for band members.
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Post by mortified on Dec 14, 2017 6:37:18 GMT
I never really had any doubts Rick sang the song anew, @inna. His voice, although not exactly at its best in the older recording, is much more fragile in the new version. It's strange because I don't know this older recording. It isn't on my version of Recorded Delivery which means I maybe left it off iTunes (unlikely coz I'm a bit of a completist that way) or I've just forgotten it somehow. I'll check the CD. Its irritating me
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Post by mortified on Dec 14, 2017 7:04:41 GMT
Solved! He droned on It's wrongly listed on the CD I have as Living My Life. I've obviously never sat and listened to the whole album because I don't recall the track at all. I probably listened to the first few bars and thought.... nah. Thus contradicting myself when I said Quo related stuff gets more than one chance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 12:54:40 GMT
I've only listened to it this morning for the first time, (despite posting the link the other day). First the bits I don't like, lyrics and vocals. The lyrics are just too 'obvious' for me, I like to have an air of mystery about them. That way you start to play about with them, imagine what they might be referring to and then the song almost starts to become your own. Hotel California by the Eagles or indeed, 4500x, both spring to mind as good examples. I don't know exactly what they mean but I know enough, I like that. My wife wandered by as I was playing the song this morning and just said, 'what is that, it sounds awful'. Take the emotional aspect away and it's hard to argue that the vocals aren't dire. Reminded me of Resurrection on AQ2, (which in my opinion should never have been on the album, not fair on Rick). We all know Rick once had a great voice and still did on some songs right up until the end but this just feels like it needed a key change, or something. I like the song itself, the musical side of it. I even like the strings up front, clearly Rick did to, (maybe he was behind their inclusion on Aquostic)? What struck me more than anything though was just how wonderful it was to hear a new (kinda) song from Rick being played, even though he's no longer with us. That's when the emotion did start to kick in and I found myself enjoying the few minutes I was listening to it. Not for the song itself per se but for the feelings and memories it brought about, which I suppose arguably is what music's all about. Looking forward to hearing the full album. I do hope there's some genuine 'Rick Rock' on there, as well as a few more ballads. More than anything I hope RPJ takes comfort from the song. That's what really matters, my views, or any other Quo fans view, is irrelevant in comparison. Rick Parfitt - legend then, legend now, legend forever
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Post by snakelady on Dec 15, 2017 8:17:50 GMT
That's a great post, @bam . Spot on. I share your sentiments here, although I do like Resurrection on A2. It's the same here with me, it was just wonderful to hear a new Rick song, now that he's no longer with us. And like you, I do hope there'll be some rocking Rick songs on the album, too. I'm not into ballads that much, you see. Agree about Resurrection. Definitely one of the better songs on A2 and Rick's voice did still work on it IMO. And I can understand why you and Marc are touched by hearing something, anything new from Rick. It's like he isn't gone completely. If only the song wasn't so ... Maybe he should've kept it private, just for RPJ. Like you, I hope there are better, rockier or simply happier songs to follow.
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