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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Nov 21, 2017 9:04:42 GMT
I was looking forward in getting the re-released deluxe editions when it was announced a few years ago, but held back after reading on various sites, that the bonus material were of inferior quality, so I decided to keep my money in my pocket. To date I've only purchased the Rockin'All Over The World Remix and very happy with it. As I attended the NEC Birmingham '82 concert, I was again, excited for the full release, but yet again I was disappointed with the quality and the production issue's. It's going to take something really special to spend money on this band again. I have RAOTW for the Remix and Piledriver for the 1973 concert, not bothered with the others as I have the 2005 remasters. Though people tell me that the newer remasters of the offical albums are better sound wise and less compressed. Personally I can't really hear any difference. |
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Post by mortified on Nov 21, 2017 9:53:02 GMT
Just to put the record straight, I don't personally blame the band for this. Most of the time they're not even aware of what's being released unless it's a brand new album. All bands will be the same. But someone at the music company at the very least is taking the pi$$ and exploiting - or trying to exploit - the collectors among us. Presumably someone at Universal with one eye (or both) on the budget.
The NEC release is not advertised on the official Quo site but presumably it is sanctioned in some way.
As for the other deluxe releases, I do like having them but the extra live gigs have been pretty poor in quality. Australia and Paris '75 in particular. They're like old bootlegs that no one has been remotely interested in cleaning up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 10:48:43 GMT
Just to put the record straight, I don't personally blame the band for this. Most of the time they're not even aware of what's being released unless it's a brand new album. All bands will be the same. But someone at the music company at the very least is taking the pi$$ and exploiting - or trying to exploit - the collectors among us. Presumably someone at Universal with one eye (or both) on the budget. The NEC release is not advertised on the official Quo site but presumably it is sanctioned in some way. As for the other deluxe releases, I do like having them but the extra live gigs have been pretty poor in quality. Australia and Paris '75 in particular. They're like old bootlegs that no one has been remotely interested in cleaning up. As I recall they were advertising it on their official FB page. I agree its not the bands fault at all, they likely have little control over what is actually released, but it really is taking the piss out of those of us who collect. I'm certain this was advertised initially, at least, as a NEW remaster, which is why I bought it. I bought all of the deluxe editions, even though I already had virtually all of the extra's on them already, I would still buy any other future deluxe editions if they decide to release anymore. I wonder just how much material they still have that's never seen the light of day. |
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 21, 2017 15:52:58 GMT
Just to put the record straight, I don't personally blame the band for this. Most of the time they're not even aware of what's being released unless it's a brand new album. All bands will be the same. But someone at the music company at the very least is taking the pi$$ and exploiting - or trying to exploit - the collectors among us. Presumably someone at Universal with one eye (or both) on the budget. The NEC release is not advertised on the official Quo site but presumably it is sanctioned in some way. As for the other deluxe releases, I do like having them but the extra live gigs have been pretty poor in quality. Australia and Paris '75 in particular. They're like old bootlegs that no one has been remotely interested in cleaning up. As I recall they were advertising it on their official FB page. I agree its not the bands fault at all, they likely have little control over what is actually released, but it really is taking the piss out of those of us who collect. I'm certain this was advertised initially, at least, as a NEW remaster, which is why I bought it. I bought all of the deluxe editions, even though I already had virtually all of the extra's on them already, I would still buy any other future deluxe editions if they decide to release anymore. I wonder just how much material they still have that's never seen the light of day. There is a little something in the works regarding more unreleased Live Material from genuine master tapes as there was picture evidence of them.  I can't exactly GIVE you the venue and date so I'll leave a little something Venue; *********** ***** Year; 19** |
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 21, 2017 17:38:00 GMT
As I recall they were advertising it on their official FB page. I agree its not the bands fault at all, they likely have little control over what is actually released, but it really is taking the piss out of those of us who collect. I'm certain this was advertised initially, at least, as a NEW remaster, which is why I bought it. I bought all of the deluxe editions, even though I already had virtually all of the extra's on them already, I would still buy any other future deluxe editions if they decide to release anymore. I wonder just how much material they still have that's never seen the light of day. There is a little something in the works regarding more unreleased Live Material from genuine master tapes as there was picture evidence of them. I can't exactly GIVE you the venue and date so I'll leave a little something Venue; *********** ***** Year; 19** Thanks Quoincidence.
Hammersmith Odeon maybe? Looking forward to it!
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Post by kursaal75 on Nov 21, 2017 17:49:10 GMT
A good quality Hammersmith Odeon '79 concert would be something to get excited about. I've given up hope on the full Southend '75 gig.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 21, 2017 18:17:09 GMT
A good quality Hammersmith Odeon '79 concert would be something to get excited about. I've given up hope on the full Southend '75 gig. Why would you like the full Southend gig....do you have some affinity to it!?! 
I don't really have bootlegs (a part from 1992 at the Albert Hall) so I would love to have a gig from 1977, 78 or 79 when the set list was a bit different from the 1976 and 1982 ones that were official releases. To hear some of the album tracks that were quickly dropped. Can anyone remember which songs they played from IYCSTH and WYW?
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 21, 2017 18:51:21 GMT
A good quality Hammersmith Odeon '79 concert would be something to get excited about. I've given up hope on the full Southend '75 gig. Why would you like the full Southend gig....do you have some affinity to it!?!
I don't really have bootlegs (a part from 1992 at the Albert Hall) so I would love to have a gig from 1977, 78 or 79 when the set list was a bit different from the 1976 and 1982 ones that were official releases. To hear some of the album tracks that were quickly dropped. Can anyone remember which songs they played from IYCSTH and WYW?
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Post by kursaal75 on Nov 21, 2017 18:56:51 GMT
A good quality Hammersmith Odeon '79 concert would be something to get excited about. I've given up hope on the full Southend '75 gig. Why would you like the full Southend gig....do you have some affinity to it!?!
I don't really have bootlegs (a part from 1992 at the Albert Hall) so I would love to have a gig from 1977, 78 or 79 when the set list was a bit different from the 1976 and 1982 ones that were official releases. To hear some of the album tracks that were quickly dropped. Can anyone remember which songs they played from IYCSTH and WYW?
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 21, 2017 19:23:45 GMT
Why would you like the full Southend gig....do you have some affinity to it!?!
I don't really have bootlegs (a part from 1992 at the Albert Hall) so I would love to have a gig from 1977, 78 or 79 when the set list was a bit different from the 1976 and 1982 ones that were official releases. To hear some of the album tracks that were quickly dropped. Can anyone remember which songs they played from IYCSTH and WYW?
From IYCSTH, they played; Oh! What A Night Gonna Teach You To Love Me Like A Good Girl as for WYW, they didn't tour again until 1981 so nothing other than Whatever You Want No way, I didn't realise. I thought it was only the Just Supposin Album (1980) that they hadn't toured!
So they didn't tour the WYW album, what a waste, there were loads of great tracks (IMO) they could've played from that!
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 21, 2017 19:43:45 GMT
From IYCSTH, they played; Oh! What A Night Gonna Teach You To Love Me Like A Good Girl as for WYW, they didn't tour again until 1981 so nothing other than Whatever You Want No way, I didn't realise. I thought it was only the Just Supposin Album (1980) that they hadn't toured!
So they didn't tour the WYW album, what a waste, there were loads of great track (IMO) they could've played from that!
After the 1979; IYCSTH tour, there was a planned Whatever You Want Tour which was cancelled because Rick went to the hospital with spine problems and was told to rest for 3 months... In the end I think they just spent time working on Just Supposin' and Never Too Late... and there was the death of Ricks daughter, Heidi, which probably played a massive role.  |
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Post by mortified on Nov 22, 2017 6:49:11 GMT
I saw them tour in the spring of 1979 when they were more or less doing If You Can't Stand The Heat. But the only song they did at the gigs I was at was Oh! What A Night. I've never heard a bootleg of it but it would be interesting to hear it without the female backing vocals. That was also the tour with the disco floor on stage. If anyone remembers Looks like Hammersmith Odeon to me. The year could be anything but I'd take a guess at '84 seeing they did 107 nights  |
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 22, 2017 10:27:14 GMT
Thank god, I'm not a collector. Think I'd feel cheated .. and not for the first time either. It seems the guys who put all these special editions, deluxe stuff .. or whatever they care to call it together, are not interested in the band, probably don't really know the material. They're merely in for the quick buck and it very much reminds me of the greatest hits packages Pye used to release and which we talked about recently. Same stuff new package. To have some quality releases with new content, content the fans actually want, someone from the band's side needs to be involved or at least someone who has a personal interest in the band IMO. Otherwise don't buy it, is all I can say .. Bob Young is the one who's approving all this. As for remastering, all the deluxe editions so far have featured new remastering by Andy Pearce. Does the booklet credit him? Does it credit Tim Turan? |
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Post by mortified on Nov 22, 2017 11:16:19 GMT
Thank god, I'm not a collector. Think I'd feel cheated .. and not for the first time either. It seems the guys who put all these special editions, deluxe stuff .. or whatever they care to call it together, are not interested in the band, probably don't really know the material. They're merely in for the quick buck and it very much reminds me of the greatest hits packages Pye used to release and which we talked about recently. Same stuff new package. To have some quality releases with new content, content the fans actually want, someone from the band's side needs to be involved or at least someone who has a personal interest in the band IMO. Otherwise don't buy it, is all I can say .. Bob Young is the one who's approving all this. As for remastering, all the deluxe editions so far have featured new remastering by Andy Pearce. Does the booklet credit him? Does it credit Tim Turan? There are a couple of references. On the reverse of the digipak it says, " ....remixed in Montreux by Dave Richards in the Autumn of 1982 to improve on the originals." This was presumably for the vinyl release in the From The Makers Of.... triple album set. In the notes in the booklet it says, " Mastered by Andy Pearce & Matt Wortham." No mention of Tim Turan anywhere. And not Remastered. If that makes a difference. There is also an odd thing I picked up on. Beneath the track listing inside the booklet it says " this compilation 2010 Universal Music Operations Limited" as well as " ....2017 Universal Music Operations Limited" Not really sure what that's about. Did a version of this gig come out in 2010? Not that I can remember unless a track or two pitched up on one of the DVD's. |
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 22, 2017 11:41:33 GMT
Just to put the record straight, I don't personally blame the band for this. Most of the time they're not even aware of what's being released unless it's a brand new album. All bands will be the same. But someone at the music company at the very least is taking the pi$$ and exploiting - or trying to exploit - the collectors among us. Presumably someone at Universal with one eye (or both) on the budget. The NEC release is not advertised on the official Quo site but presumably it is sanctioned in some way. As for the other deluxe releases, I do like having them but the extra live gigs have been pretty poor in quality. Australia and Paris '75 in particular. They're like old bootlegs that no one has been remotely interested in cleaning up. As I recall they were advertising it on their official FB page. I agree its not the bands fault at all, they likely have little control over what is actually released, but it really is taking the piss out of those of us who collect. I'm certain this was advertised initially, at least, as a NEW remaster, which is why I bought it. I bought all of the deluxe editions, even though I already had virtually all of the extra's on them already, I would still buy any other future deluxe editions if they decide to release anymore. I wonder just how much material they still have that's never seen the light of day. Not much. There might be the odd tape somewhere but a lot of the stuff must have gone missing. Nobody has any clue where the full Southend gig is, for instance. And Bob Young said they have mixes (and by association, maybe alternate takes) but really not much of any great interest. This is why the 2005 remasters were so skimpy on bonus material already. How anybody can expect an album that already got reissued with 1 bonus track to suddenly have lots of new bonus tracks is beyond me. After all, they did fill up some of the 2005 remasters when they had the material. It's a different story in the 80s though, when you get in the realm of more outtakes, better live recordings and 12" mixes and the like. Nobody can look into their booklet and tell me who is credited for the remastering?! |
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Post by mortified on Nov 22, 2017 14:31:15 GMT
As I recall they were advertising it on their official FB page. I agree its not the bands fault at all, they likely have little control over what is actually released, but it really is taking the piss out of those of us who collect. I'm certain this was advertised initially, at least, as a NEW remaster, which is why I bought it. I bought all of the deluxe editions, even though I already had virtually all of the extra's on them already, I would still buy any other future deluxe editions if they decide to release anymore. I wonder just how much material they still have that's never seen the light of day. Not much. There might be the odd tape somewhere but a lot of the stuff must have gone missing. Nobody has any clue where the full Southend gig is, for instance. And Bob Young said they have mixes (and by association, maybe alternate takes) but really not much of any great interest. This is why the 2005 remasters were so skimpy on bonus material already. How anybody can expect an album that already got reissued with 1 bonus track to suddenly have lots of new bonus tracks is beyond me. After all, they did fill up some of the 2005 remasters when they had the material. It's a different story in the 80s though, when you get in the realm of more outtakes, better live recordings and 12" mixes and the like. Nobody can look into their booklet and tell me who is credited for the remastering?!I did! |
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Post by snakelady on Nov 22, 2017 15:39:41 GMT
Not much. There might be the odd tape somewhere but a lot of the stuff must have gone missing. Nobody has any clue where the full Southend gig is, for instance. And Bob Young said they have mixes (and by association, maybe alternate takes) but really not much of any great interest. This is why the 2005 remasters were so skimpy on bonus material already. How anybody can expect an album that already got reissued with 1 bonus track to suddenly have lots of new bonus tracks is beyond me. After all, they did fill up some of the 2005 remasters when they had the material. It's a different story in the 80s though, when you get in the realm of more outtakes, better live recordings and 12" mixes and the like. Nobody can look into their booklet and tell me who is credited for the remastering?!I did! Not quite .. You did look into your booklet, but you weren't able to tell him about the remastering as it seemingly isn't mentioned.  Thank god I'm not interested in suchlike stuff, as I don't hear any differences anyway.  I do love the remixed (as opposed to remastered) RAOTW album, at least there are notable differences even for me (  ), which I consider improvements. |
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 22, 2017 19:26:15 GMT
As I recall they were advertising it on their official FB page. I agree its not the bands fault at all, they likely have little control over what is actually released, but it really is taking the piss out of those of us who collect. I'm certain this was advertised initially, at least, as a NEW remaster, which is why I bought it. I bought all of the deluxe editions, even though I already had virtually all of the extra's on them already, I would still buy any other future deluxe editions if they decide to release anymore. I wonder just how much material they still have that's never seen the light of day. Not much. There might be the odd tape somewhere but a lot of the stuff must have gone missing. Nobody has any clue where the full Southend gig is, for instance. And Bob Young said they have mixes (and by association, maybe alternate takes) but really not much of any great interest. This is why the 2005 remasters were so skimpy on bonus material already. How anybody can expect an album that already got reissued with 1 bonus track to suddenly have lots of new bonus tracks is beyond me. After all, they did fill up some of the 2005 remasters when they had the material. It's a different story in the 80s though, when you get in the realm of more outtakes, better live recordings and 12" mixes and the like. Nobody can look into their booklet and tell me who is credited for the remastering?! There's no mention of Tim Turan... On the very back page in the booklet it says "Mastered by Andy Pearce and Matt Wortham", but it definitely is the Tim Turan release. When Rossi is introducing Backwater... the 2006 version is missing the "Hello!... are you ready for the next bit?" and just skips straight to "How are you then, alright?!", as does the new release. Same with when he's introducing Don't Drive My Car... both versions skip the "you alright?... as long as you're still awake. A lot of people have asked us about tonight whether or not you get nervous... look at that, steady as a rock, right? Playing with that hand..." etc |
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 28, 2017 21:49:12 GMT
Thatt shows that they are derived from the same digital transfer, final mastering (EQ, compression) could still be different. But certainly Hello!, On the Level or Blue for You were not from the same transfer, since the files run at different speeds (when you compare the tracks from 2005 and 2015/16/16 in Audacity). So that is already a minor disappointment even if I haven't heard it yet.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 21, 2018 21:27:08 GMT
I saw them tour in the spring of 1979 when they were more or less doing If You Can't Stand The Heat. But the only song they did at the gigs I was at was Oh! What A Night. I've never heard a bootleg of it but it would be interesting to hear it without the female backing vocals. Here you go! Setlist; Caroline Roll Over Lay Down Backwater Rockers Rollin' ------------------------------------------- Is There A Better Way Hold You Back Gonna Teach You To Love MeLittle Lady Like A Good GirlRockin' All Over The World Oh! What A Night------------------------------------------- Dirty Water Forty Five Hundred Times Big Fat Mama Don't Waste My Time Roadhouse Blues ------------------------------------------- Rain Down Down Drum Solo Bye Bye Johnny |
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Post by mortified on Jan 22, 2018 8:39:26 GMT
I saw them tour in the spring of 1979 when they were more or less doing If You Can't Stand The Heat. But the only song they did at the gigs I was at was Oh! What A Night. I've never heard a bootleg of it but it would be interesting to hear it without the female backing vocals. Here you go! Setlist; Caroline Roll Over Lay Down Backwater Rockers Rollin' ------------------------------------------- Is There A Better Way Hold You Back Gonna Teach You To Love MeLittle Lady Like A Good GirlRockin' All Over The World Oh! What A Night------------------------------------------- Dirty Water Forty Five Hundred Times Big Fat Mama Don't Waste My Time Roadhouse Blues ------------------------------------------- Rain Down Down Drum Solo Bye Bye Johnny That is just fantastic! What a set list and the 'new' songs are magnificent. The live versions put an entirely new slant on an album that I really didn't rate apart from maybe three tracks. And all three were played here! Strip them down and they are superb. It's a real shame that only Oh! What A Night was left by the time they got to the UK. Or at least by the time I saw them. Ta for that. That was a real treat  |
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Jan 22, 2018 15:15:38 GMT
Here you go! Setlist; Caroline Roll Over Lay Down Backwater Rockers Rollin' ------------------------------------------- Is There A Better Way Hold You Back Gonna Teach You To Love MeLittle Lady Like A Good GirlRockin' All Over The World Oh! What A Night------------------------------------------- Dirty Water Forty Five Hundred Times Big Fat Mama Don't Waste My Time Roadhouse Blues ------------------------------------------- Rain Down Down Drum Solo Bye Bye Johnny That is just fantastic! What a set list and the 'new' songs are magnificent. The live versions put an entirely new slant on an album that I really didn't rate apart from maybe three tracks. And all three were played here! Strip them down and they are superb. It's a real shame that only Oh! What A Night was left by the time they got to the UK. Or at least by the time I saw them. Ta for that. That was a real treat  Yes I agree. Thanks Quoincidence
Rockers Rollin still in the set from the year before, and the 3 IYCSTH tracks, and Down Down making an appearance. A real in between the Live and the NEC set.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Jan 22, 2018 18:22:11 GMT
I saw them tour in the spring of 1979 when they were more or less doing If You Can't Stand The Heat. But the only song they did at the gigs I was at was Oh! What A Night. I've never heard a bootleg of it but it would be interesting to hear it without the female backing vocals. That was also the tour with the disco floor on stage. If anyone remembers Looks like Hammersmith Odeon to me. The year could be anything but I'd take a guess at '84 seeing they did 107 nights Regarding the thread title, Live at the NEC - I still haven't received my replacement disc. Roadhouse Blues still goes quiet on me for several minutes on my CD.  Get back onto them....give them a kick up the backside!! |
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 22, 2018 20:04:16 GMT
I saw them tour in the spring of 1979 when they were more or less doing If You Can't Stand The Heat. But the only song they did at the gigs I was at was Oh! What A Night. I've never heard a bootleg of it but it would be interesting to hear it without the female backing vocals. That was also the tour with the disco floor on stage. If anyone remembers Looks like Hammersmith Odeon to me. The year could be anything but I'd take a guess at '84 seeing they did 107 nights I saw them on tour in 1979, too, but I honestly can't remember if they had one or two or even three new songs from the Heat album in the set. I've still got a newspaper clip about one of the gigs I attended, though, saying Quo's "hard rock was deafening" and "made the hall shake with thousands of fans cheering and clapping and stomping to the rhythm of the band's music". "The short and simple songs with their clear arrangements were easily memorable." The band presented "new songs again which sure enough resembled all the other ones before". "Many younger fans were still under 14 and had to be accompanied or collected by their parents" (yes, I do remember those days with my dad...  ). The band had been "playing an important role in young people's lives for the past 16" (!) years. Regarding the thread title, Live at the NEC - I still haven't received my replacement disc. Roadhouse Blues still goes quiet on me for several minutes on my CD. Drop Universal another email regarding it... I'm sure they'll happily replace it infoumc@umusic.com |
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 22, 2018 20:10:52 GMT
By the time they got to the UK they only played "Oh! What A Night"... not too sure when "Like A Good Girl" was dropped but "Gonna Teach You To Love Me" didn't last longer than the European leg of the tour. Rossi got Ricks guitar headstock to the face during Forty Five Hundred Times in Hamburg, Germany (19th January), and on the 1st February he fell backwards off of the drum riser smashing his head off of a monitor.   |
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). The band had been "playing an important role in young people's lives for the past 16" (!) years.
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