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Post by mortified on Aug 8, 2018 8:25:24 GMT
I'm trying to remember what they did play on that '86 tour in the UK.
In The Army Now for sure and I think Dreamin'. I don't think Rollin' Home got an airing unless it was in the medley. But I think that came later.
I never got to hear Save Me or Overdose. Always thought Red Sky was a contender but it was ignored till the medley years later.
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Post by Dark on Aug 8, 2018 8:34:24 GMT
According to setlist.fm the title track and Dreamin' were played lots, Rollin' Home was in the medley while Save Me and Overdose were just played 7 and 3 times respectively.
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 8, 2018 11:47:15 GMT
This also explains the mish-mash approach to the live tracks. I thought, rather than selecting an entire gig (quality notwithstanding) which perhaps has one new song but otherwise nothing, it would be better to cherry-pick a few tracks that are actually related to the album itself. Remember, OTL and BFY didn't include live versions of I Saw the Light, Nightride or Mad About the Boy even though they were played a few times.
With Ain't Complaining, there was already a HQ recording available, and Piledriver repeated the BBC box set material too, so it made sense to include the BBC recording as an entire disc.
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Post by per on Aug 8, 2018 16:35:33 GMT
La Grange is not the ZZ top son, is the guitar riff of Better times, played as part of a Jam in the 1987 tour. It was on youtube. I could not find it, but I found this, which is similar to the Jam that I am talking about (althoug the better times riff is not played) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahqq2zMDN10Nice to see this video clip! This was actually the gig I was referring to, the memory I had of Quo fooling around with a short snippet/jam in the style of La Grange. Valle Hovin in Oslo, August -87, Quo and Deep Purple shared the headline, some 30 000 people there, the biggest audience at any Quo gig I’ve been to. Deep Purple recorded parts of the live album Nobodys Perfect that night, so maybe also the Quo gig was recorded proffesionally, who knows?
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 8, 2018 22:44:33 GMT
I'm trying to remember what they did play on that '86 tour in the UK. In The Army Now for sure and I think Dreamin'. I don't think Rollin' Home got an airing unless it was in the medley. But I think that came later. I never got to hear Save Me or Overdose. Always thought Red Sky was a contender but it was ignored till the medley years later. Tracks played from the Army album were;- Dreamin' In The Army Save Me Overdose Overdose was dropped after a few weeks into October and Save Me crept up at sometime around either late October or early November. I don't think either of these songs were in the set when Quo hit the UK. Rollin' Home wasn't added to the Medley until '88, along with Again And Again The Red Sky riff was jammed at the Christmas Eve Hammersmith 1986 gig, along with the Little Dreamer riff also The main setlist for the Army Tour was; Whatever You Want Paper Plane Roll Over Lay Down Dreamin' Little Lady Mystery Medley Hold You Back Don't Drive My Car Dirty Water In The Army Now Rockin' Don't Waste My Time Roadhouse Blues Caroline Rain Down Down Bye Bye Johnny Army was positioned after Dreamin' quite early on in the tour, and then replaced Overdose in the setlist to go before Rockin' and Save Me came after Dreamin'. Big Fat Mama was played here and there.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Aug 9, 2018 21:09:52 GMT
The missing tracks such as;- The Wanderer (Sharon The Nag Mix) Milton Keynes Medley (Live!) Jealousy (Single) Naughty Girl (Single) I will share them once the deluxe editions have come out so if you buy the albums digitally or rip them at all, you can add them straight to the folder The Milton Keynes Medley pitched up on a random compilation just before Christmas. Then it became available, along with several of the tracks turning up on these deluxe editions, on the vinyl album box set. Naughty Girl came with the last singles box set. Although it's almost indistinguishable from Dreamin'. I don't know why but a live version of Overdose excites me the most! I will warn you that I had a Bootleg with Overdose on it. The sound quality was just as ropey as those 70s ones that was on the earlier deluxe versions.
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 10, 2018 18:24:57 GMT
The Milton Keynes Medley pitched up on a random compilation just before Christmas. Then it became available, along with several of the tracks turning up on these deluxe editions, on the vinyl album box set. Naughty Girl came with the last singles box set. Although it's almost indistinguishable from Dreamin'. I don't know why but a live version of Overdose excites me the most! I will warn you that I had a Bootleg with Overdose on it. The sound quality was just as ropey as those 70s ones that was on the earlier deluxe versions. The bootleg used was Stockholm, 10th October 1986, and it isn't a really bad bootleg! it's actually quite decent sounding. I wished they'd have used In The Army Now from that gig as it's closer to the album version and it was the only time they played it that way
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Post by snakelady on Aug 12, 2018 7:20:26 GMT
..Incidentally, when you click on those links in the first post, they automatically take you to the UK Amazon site They take me to the Spanish site, but not to the new Deluxe editions, but to older versions .. Have found it on jpc though - available from 28.09.18 : link
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Post by mortified on Aug 12, 2018 8:24:04 GMT
..Incidentally, when you click on those links in the first post, they automatically take you to the UK Amazon site They take me to the Spanish site, but not to the new Deluxe editions, but to older versions .. Have found it on jpc though - available from 28.09.18 : linkInteresting that we're told that Rollin' Home is the album/12" version. There was only one version I think. The 12", pic disc and album renditions were all the same. So I suppose it's technically correct if I give it some more thought All of the previously released Rossi/Frost solo stuff is there on Back To Back of course. None of it particularly brilliant but I don't suppose that's the point. I Wonder Why I particularly dislike but then that's just a taste thing. I have some Ta for the link
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Post by snakelady on Aug 12, 2018 10:24:04 GMT
They take me to the Spanish site, but not to the new Deluxe editions, but to older versions .. Have found it on jpc though - available from 28.09.18 : linkInteresting that we're told that Rollin' Home is the album/12" version. There was only one version I think. The 12", pic disc and album renditions were all the same. So I suppose it's technically correct if I give it some more thought All of the previously released Rossi/Frost solo stuff is there on Back To Back of course. None of it particularly brilliant but I don't suppose that's the point. I Wonder Why I particularly dislike but then that's just a taste thing. I have some Ta for the link That was to be expected as it's one of my favourites ..
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Post by gav on Aug 12, 2018 18:24:46 GMT
They take me to the Spanish site, but not to the new Deluxe editions, but to older versions .. Have found it on jpc though - available from 28.09.18 : linkInteresting that we're told that Rollin' Home is the album/12" version. There was only one version I think. The 7" version was slightly edited. It's 25 seconds shorter! One less chorus at the end i think..
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Post by mortified on Aug 13, 2018 10:34:54 GMT
Interesting that we're told that Rollin' Home is the album/12" version. There was only one version I think. The 12", pic disc and album renditions were all the same. So I suppose it's technically correct if I give it some more thought All of the previously released Rossi/Frost solo stuff is there on Back To Back of course. None of it particularly brilliant but I don't suppose that's the point. I Wonder Why I particularly dislike but then that's just a taste thing. I have some Ta for the link That was to be expected as it's one of my favourites .. Really?? Oh well, no accounting for taste. I think it's the keyboards that I can't stand. They remind me of what Quo were doing with things like Going Downtown Tonight and as it was around the same time, I guess someone (probably on drugs) thought they sounded good. They were wrong. Take them out and its not that bad admittedly.
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Post by mortified on Aug 16, 2018 5:16:28 GMT
Just received an e-mail about these releases. It does say " 31 previously unreleased tracks/versions". I guess its technically correct, although the rehearsal tracks are stretching that a bit. The track listing is only available on the "Universal" link. There's no detail on "Amazon".
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Post by snakelady on Aug 16, 2018 6:46:25 GMT
Just received an e-mail about these releases. It does say " 31 previously unreleased tracks/versions". I guess its technically correct, although the rehearsal tracks are stretching that a bit. The track listing is only available on the "Universal" link. There's no detail on "Amazon". Well, it is on the jpc site as well .. I do like that online shop - they're reliable and fast and p&p free, for us at least. I can't stand these 'previously unreleased ..' statements. Cheap marketing ploys and superfluous lies. They did it with Rick's solo album as well and I doubt it would've sold less, had they admitted this or that track had been available before. I do possess the rehearsal CD ..
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Post by mortified on Aug 16, 2018 7:49:37 GMT
I think the BBC Wembley gig will be the same one previously included in the Live At The BBC box. There were also a couple of the tracks on the Rockers Rollin' box way back as well. Quoincidence suggests that this new release will include more Francis 'chat' on it though. I've never really listened to those rehearsal tracks. I doubt I will do now either. They have a novelty value but as a "listening to music" experience I doubt I'd take much from it. But these deluxe editions are good to have for the odd gem that turns up. Unfortunately, I paid quite a bit of money for the Bernie Frost single The House a couple of years back and now here it is!
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 16, 2018 10:04:35 GMT
I think the BBC Wembley gig will be the same one previously included in the Live At The BBC box. There were also a couple of the tracks on the Rockers Rollin' box way back as well. Quoincidence suggests that this new release will include more Francis 'chat' on it though. I've never really listened to those rehearsal tracks. I doubt I will do now either. They have a novelty value but as a "listening to music" experience I doubt I'd take much from it. But these deluxe editions are good to have for the odd gem that turns up. Unfortunately, I paid quite a bit of money for the Bernie Frost single The House a couple of years back and now here it is! Yes, the removed Rossi's chat from most Live gigs on the BBC release other than the Paris Theatre gig from '73. Not much to listen to from those Rehearsals as they barely play a song all the way through and a few members are under the influence, that's why we're starting to think they're from Montserrat Air Studios when the band were setting up to record the Back To Back album, but you can't be too sure as they've always been said to be from '82. But I have to say that these are the best of the deluxe series so far for the Bonus Tracks
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Post by snakelady on Aug 16, 2018 10:50:02 GMT
I think the BBC Wembley gig will be the same one previously included in the Live At The BBC box. There were also a couple of the tracks on the Rockers Rollin' box way back as well. Quoincidence suggests that this new release will include more Francis 'chat' on it though. I've never really listened to those rehearsal tracks. I doubt I will do now either. They have a novelty value but as a "listening to music" experience I doubt I'd take much from it. But these deluxe editions are good to have for the odd gem that turns up. Unfortunately, I paid quite a bit of money for the Bernie Frost single The House a couple of years back and now here it is! I only ever listen to CD1 from the BBC box, as it's too many repetitions otherwise and mainly the hits - although it is a nice item to have. The rehearsal tapes are fun to listen to and I do like the WSOL version, although Francis' singing leaves a lot to be desired. Like Quoincidence has mentioned, they don't come across as exactly sober. What I've always found strange is, that it's all merely between Francis and Rick and Alan doesn't say a word. If he'd not be addressed once you'd think he wasn't there. Certainly a double act back then already. So for these two reasons it might as well have been Montserrat, who knows ?
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 16, 2018 11:13:55 GMT
I think the BBC Wembley gig will be the same one previously included in the Live At The BBC box. There were also a couple of the tracks on the Rockers Rollin' box way back as well. Quoincidence suggests that this new release will include more Francis 'chat' on it though. I've never really listened to those rehearsal tracks. I doubt I will do now either. They have a novelty value but as a "listening to music" experience I doubt I'd take much from it. But these deluxe editions are good to have for the odd gem that turns up. Unfortunately, I paid quite a bit of money for the Bernie Frost single The House a couple of years back and now here it is! I only ever listen to CD1 from the BBC box, as it's too many repetitions otherwise and mainly the hits - although it is a nice item to have. The rehearsal tapes are fun to listen to and I do like the WSOL version, although Francis' singing leaves a lot to be desired. Like Quoincidence has mentioned, they don't come across as exactly sober. What I've always found strange is, that it's all merely between Francis and Rick and Alan doesn't say a word. If he'd not be addressed once you'd think he wasn't there. Certainly a double act back then already. So for these two reasons it might as well have been Montserrat, who knows ? I think it's Montserrat purely because I don't think Quo would waste a good hour playing songs that aren't in the set, and definitely wouldn't turn up to a Tour Rehearsal out of it. Alan mentioned that when they was in Montserrat it was treat like they was on holiday and too laid back. As you say who knows... And funny because I like Wild Side Of Life also, shame it was never played in full Live, but other than that, the vocals tend to be all over the show... and yes you rarely hear Alan but Francis can be heard saying "Nuff" a few times
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Post by mortified on Aug 16, 2018 12:33:26 GMT
The other deluxe releases would have been better had the quality of the live recordings been half decent. But its like they never cleaned them up or mastered them at all. It was the same with the Australian gig in the live box a few years back. They sounded no better than average bootlegs.
But, yeah, there is more about these releases and I'm hopeful that the Rock 'til You Drop and Thirsty Work deluxe releases, when they eventually get here, might give us some different live stuff because both sets included quite a lot of songs from those albums. Under The Influence would be the same but that album always seems to be treated differently to the rest.
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 16, 2018 13:00:09 GMT
The other deluxe releases would have been better had the quality of the live recordings been half decent. But its like they never cleaned them up or mastered them at all. It was the same with the Australian gig in the live box a few years back. They sounded no better than average bootlegs. But, yeah, there is more about these releases and I'm hopeful that the Rock 'til You Drop and Thirsty Work deluxe releases, when they eventually get here, might give us some different live stuff because both sets included quite a lot of songs from those albums. Under The Influence would be the same but that album always seems to be treated differently to the rest. The Australian gig was straight from the soundboard so there isn't much they could do with those, hence the very minimal crowd noise Perfect Remedy, Rock 'Til You Drop & Thirsty Work are all planned for next year but we'll leave that discussion for when those come around and have a release date. I don't see them releasing Under The Influence again, purely because it's been re-released in so many different forms since it's digital remaster in 2011. Boxsets, Digipacks etc...
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Post by mortified on Aug 16, 2018 13:06:17 GMT
The other deluxe releases would have been better had the quality of the live recordings been half decent. But its like they never cleaned them up or mastered them at all. It was the same with the Australian gig in the live box a few years back. They sounded no better than average bootlegs. But, yeah, there is more about these releases and I'm hopeful that the Rock 'til You Drop and Thirsty Work deluxe releases, when they eventually get here, might give us some different live stuff because both sets included quite a lot of songs from those albums. Under The Influence would be the same but that album always seems to be treated differently to the rest. The Australian gig was straight from the soundboard so there isn't much they could do with those, hence the very minimal crowd noise Perfect Remedy, Rock 'Til You Drop & Thirsty Work are all planned for next year but we'll leave that discussion for when those come around and have a release date. I don't see them releasing Under The Influence again, purely because it's been re-released in so many different forms since it's digital remaster in 2011. Boxsets, Digipacks etc... And one with a strange 'denim' sleeve. Mind you, that was while back. 2006 or so I think. Yeah, you're right. Let's get these out of the way before we start debating the next ones. We might even get official releases of Heavy Daze and Better Times. Not that it matters much when you've got the 7" version of Fakin' The Blues to whet your appetite again
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 16, 2018 13:12:53 GMT
The Australian gig was straight from the soundboard so there isn't much they could do with those, hence the very minimal crowd noise Perfect Remedy, Rock 'Til You Drop & Thirsty Work are all planned for next year but we'll leave that discussion for when those come around and have a release date. I don't see them releasing Under The Influence again, purely because it's been re-released in so many different forms since it's digital remaster in 2011. Boxsets, Digipacks etc... And one with a strange 'denim' sleeve. Mind you, that was while back. 2006 or so I think. Yeah, you're right. Let's get these out of the way before we start debating the next ones. We might even get official releases of Heavy Daze and Better Times. Not that it matters much when you've got the 7" version of Fakin' The Blues to whet your appetite again Heavy Daze and Better Times were both on the Rockers Rollin' 2001 Boxset Where have you been Mortified However the next vinyl singles boxset, set for release in November (so I've read), and that contains the cancelled Fakin The Blues single
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Post by mortified on Aug 16, 2018 13:32:15 GMT
And one with a strange 'denim' sleeve. Mind you, that was while back. 2006 or so I think. Yeah, you're right. Let's get these out of the way before we start debating the next ones. We might even get official releases of Heavy Daze and Better Times. Not that it matters much when you've got the 7" version of Fakin' The Blues to whet your appetite again Heavy Daze and Better Times were both on the Rockers Rollin' 2001 Boxset Where have you been Mortified However the next vinyl singles boxset, set for release in November (so I've read), and that contains the cancelled Fakin The Blues single Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Ta for keeping me right. I get absent minded now Maybe they'll be remastered then. Or not.
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Post by johnnymain on Aug 16, 2018 15:16:46 GMT
... Under The Influence would be the same but that album always seems to be treated differently to the rest... 'Under The Influence' is treated differently due to the fact it was a different record company - Eagle Rock - whereas all the previous albums were under imprints owned by Universal Music Group.
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Aug 16, 2018 18:18:42 GMT
Rollin’ Home is slightly different on the album version compared to to the single near the end of the song but it’s mimimal.
Pip didn’t do the Sharon the Nag mix of the Wanderer- I asked him about this on the old board and he had no idea about it.
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