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Nov 9, 2017 21:19:53 GMT
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Post by viking55 on Nov 9, 2017 21:19:53 GMT
You know Ive. Got my doubts about you being around in the 70’s The way you come across. What sort of statements that ?? Are you sure you are not someone else in disguise ? Sound like someone who has had their Bag of Sweeties nicked from outside the shop 😂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 21:30:55 GMT
You know Ive. Got my doubts about you being around in the 70’s The way you come across. What sort of statements that ?? Are you sure you are not someone else in disguise ? Sound like someone who has had their Bag of Sweeties nicked from outside the shop 😂 Sounds like you too are clutching at straws with more sheer BS, in fact I KNOW you are, clutching at straws, hmmm, bit like the band you still think is SQ Tell me Mr Viking who (allegedly) isn't from the UK, ( ) how many Quo gigs have you attended ?, you wanna know how many I have attended and have all the ticket stubs as proof ?!! you really must try much much harder, to stop making yerselve look an idiot,, again
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Nov 9, 2017 21:39:16 GMT
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Post by viking55 on Nov 9, 2017 21:39:16 GMT
Yes Ive, you told me yesterday 500 !! I’m waiting for the Nanananana coming next !
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Nov 9, 2017 21:41:18 GMT
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Post by viking55 on Nov 9, 2017 21:41:18 GMT
I’ve never made any statements about where I am from ?? I might just like horned helmets !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 21:41:26 GMT
Yes Ive, you told me yesterday 500 !! I’m waiting for the Nanananana coming next ! So then, how many have you done, with you being foreign to the UK ,,, apparently,, may I say you have a very good understanding of the English language,, for an alleged foreigner,, everyone knows who I am,, so who are you then ?!,,, careful, how you answer, or maybe you prefer not to answer, I could understand that given what you post
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Post by snakelady on Nov 10, 2017 5:44:24 GMT
Stop this, boys. It may be entertaining, but it's plain childish as well. There's enough apples Quo for all ..
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 10, 2017 12:39:35 GMT
Anyway, as I said on Tuesday, I hate all this Francis vs Rick stuff, and I don't want to start having a go at Rick because I loved Rick and Love this band; but I'm not sure it's always justified as painting Rossi as the bad guy. To say that some people think he hates rock music (and although he's said various things in interviews, I'm not sure he's ever said that), he's not done bad with some of those songs I've listed above. I know they aren't in the same style as 1970-76, but most of the albums since 1991 have definitely been better than what we got in the 80s (IMO).
But it would seem to be perfectly ok and acceptable to make false claims & veiled digs against Rick & Alan, as long as nothing bad is said about Rossi, at least their nose didn't fall out No not at all. There's always going to be a bit of "he said this, he said that", "I think he did it for this reason" etc, and fans will always have their favourite band members and be a bit biased. What I don't like is out and out hatred. And I think with Francis, it stems from the fact/opinions that he is wholly responsible for changing the direction of the band, he ousted John, he ousted Alan, he wouldn't do a 3rd FF tour, and what happened with Rick towards the end. I'm not sure what happened between him and Rick, but I don't dispute my other comments. But my point is, because Francis is deemed responsible for these things and seen as the leader of the band, it's often not veiled digs at him (not just by you) but it's quite nasty. I'm not sure comments about other band members are as nasty (on here), are they?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 18:55:27 GMT
But it would seem to be perfectly ok and acceptable to make false claims & veiled digs against Rick & Alan, as long as nothing bad is said about Rossi, at least their nose didn't fall out No not at all. There's always going to be a bit of "he said this, he said that", "I think he did it for this reason" etc, and fans will always have their favourite band members and be a bit biased. What I don't like is out and out hatred. A nd I think with Francis, it stems from the fact/opinions that he is wholly responsible for changing the direction of the band, he ousted John, he ousted Alan, he wouldn't do a 3rd FF tour, and what happened with Rick towards the end. I'm not sure what happened between him and Rick, but I don't dispute my other comments. But my point is, because Francis is deemed responsible for these things and seen as the leader off the band, it's often not veiled digs at him (not just by you) but it's quite nasty. I'm not sure comments about other band members are as nasty (on here), are they? Re: in bold above, And you wonder why he is so despised,, I will say though that Rossi was RIGHT regarding a 3rd FF tour
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 18:56:10 GMT
I’ve never made any statements about where I am from ?? I might just like horned helmets !I must resist the temptation
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Nov 11, 2017 23:38:32 GMT
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 11, 2017 23:38:32 GMT
No not at all. There's always going to be a bit of "he said this, he said that", "I think he did it for this reason" etc, and fans will always have their favourite band members and be a bit biased. What I don't like is out and out hatred. A nd I think with Francis, it stems from the fact/opinions that he is wholly responsible for changing the direction of the band, he ousted John, he ousted Alan, he wouldn't do a 3rd FF tour, and what happened with Rick towards the end. I'm not sure what happened between him and Rick, but I don't dispute my other comments. But my point is, because Francis is deemed responsible for these things and seen as the leader off the band, it's often not veiled digs at him (not just by you) but it's quite nasty. I'm not sure comments about other band members are as nasty (on here), are they? Re: in bold above, And you wonder why he is so despised,, I will say though that Rossi was RIGHT regarding a 3rd FF tour Three quick points (as I hate typing on my phone). 1. My problem is, that yes Francis admits doing those things, but because of that, everything the band does is dissected, criticised, and blamed on Francis (and Simon)...even when Rick was still involved. 2. Rick has made plenty of mistakes, both in the context of the band and other things. But he doesn't get anything like the same amount of abuse, even by fans who have a soft spot for Francis. 3. Ive, you haven't responded to my list of rock songs Francis co-wrote in the last 20 odd years. Seriously, which ones do you like, which don't you? Are they as rocky as Rick's or not?
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Post by viking55 on Nov 12, 2017 0:14:23 GMT
Point 2 is because of a conception and appearance that Rick hung on to Francis coat tails and let Francis be the spokesman. Hence Francis comes across as being solely responsible when in fact Rick went along with absolutely everything at the end of the day. He wasn’t a born leader like Francis.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 12, 2017 7:35:38 GMT
Just one thing @irp It was not one man, Francis, taking the band in the wrong direction (if you consider it wrong). Rick was always by his side going along with everything. He could've confronted Francis, he could've left if he didn't like the musical direction - he didn't do either. He left Alan behind and sided with Francis and he happily staid. And if he didn't like the musical direction he staid for the money alone whereas Francis believed in the musical direction. I tend to think that Rick liked it too, most of it at least - nobody always likes everything and I assume that goes for band members as well. It weren't two Judasses though, just either two guys with changing tastes as they grew older older or one guy with changing musical taste and the other merely along for the ride for the money. I choose to believe in the first. To sum it up - Rick is just as guilty concerning everything the band did. As you said, it was always F+R from 86 on. And I guess somewhere in the equation there's Andy and later Rhino as well. Rick was at fault for not challenging Rossi over the choice of material, maybe he realised if he had of done Rossi would had thrown yet another flounce and folded the band up,, it was after all always HIS band wasn't it ( ) like he did in 84 So what Rick did IYO was he kept his mouth shut and went along with material he didn't like and for decades, just so his bank balance was nicely on the plus side. Wouldn't have expected you to openly state Rick was only in it for the money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 20:49:07 GMT
Rick was at fault for not challenging Rossi over the choice of material, maybe he realised if he had of done Rossi would had thrown yet another flounce and folded the band up,, it was after all always HIS band wasn't it ( ) like he did in 84 So what Rick did IYO was he kept his mouth shut and went along with material he didn't like and for decades, just so his bank balance was nicely on the plus side. Wouldn't have expected you to openly state Rick was only in it for the money. You really are clutching at straws and diverting away for all yer worth arent' you, let me ask you this, who HATES nostalgia, yet carry's on "using" the brand name as he knows without it he is a total failure ?
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Post by viking55 on Nov 12, 2017 23:49:32 GMT
They were all failures as individuals. And any one of the others given the opportunity would have used the Quo brand in some way shape or form if it meant success rather than failure. I’ll give Alan his due though. At least he tried without the brand name but it just doesn’t work if you ain’t got the material. Even JC has QUO in the title of his band ! Don’t begrudge him that at all. Just happens to be Francis Brand unapossed so he gets Status Quo. Everybody has their place...lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:22:05 GMT
They were all failures as individuals. And any one of the others given the opportunity would have used the Quo brand in some way shape or form if it meant success rather than failure. I’ll give Alan his due though. At least he tried without the brand name but it just doesn’t work if you ain’t got the material. Even JC has QUO in the title of his band ! Don’t begrudge him that at all. Just happens to be Francis Brand unapossed so he gets Status Quo. Everybody has their place...lol. JC has as much right to use the name as Rossi does, SQ, 1 original member, JCQ 1 original member Oh yeah Rossi is unapposed now, and has free reign to do as he wants, which is what he has always wanted,, after all, its always been HIS band hasn't it ?! ( ) as for everybody has their place, yes indeed, and Rossi's place is fronting a fake band, with U turns/BS/total lack of respect & quality etc etc etc,,, I cannot think of anything more fitting to be honest,, how the (once) mighty have fallen, and will fall further. He (Rossi) really had a chance to redeem himself in 2017, but for him, money talks, and nothing else matters
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