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Post by snakelady on Nov 7, 2017 16:58:08 GMT
You can always say that you don't like the sound or look of the current line-up as long as you're aware that it's your opinions you're stating and not facts. Equally so are comments such as they sound as good as they ever did etc etc,, is that not also true ?! Absolutely. As far as I'm aware nobody on here has said that so far though .. (I'd not know about fb, but some weird folk around there)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 17:49:42 GMT
Equally so are comments such as they sound as good as they ever did etc etc,, is that not also true ?! Absolutely. As far as I'm aware nobody on here has said that so far though .. (I'd not know about fb, but some weird folk around there) By weird folks I think you mean realists, I don't think you would say they were weird if they shared the same opinions as you do
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 7, 2017 18:36:15 GMT
Absolutely. As far as I'm aware nobody on here has said that so far though .. (I'd not know about fb, but some weird folk around there) By weird folks I think you mean realists, I don't think you would say they were weird if they shared the same opinions as you do No, I thought she meant the opposite Ive. I read it as There are people on Facebook who might have said that current Quo are better than the band has ever been....and they are the ones she was calling weird.
Contrary to what you seem to believe Ive, there's very few people on here, if anyone, who actually thinks the band are better now than in their heyday. There's very few people if anyone who doesn't think the 'classic albums' are great. There's no-one (that I've heard) who wouldn't prefer Rick to still be healthy and still in the band. And no-one is being conned by the current band....we all know what and who the current band are, and we make our choice whether to pay for it or not, we just don't feel the need to constantly slate them and compare them to previous line-ups. How many people voted for the current line-up in your poll the other week; anyone? I don't think so. So don't get us confused with the people on Facebook; (I shouldn't speak for everyone), but I think a lot of people on here just accept what the band is now, and realise that it's this line up or no line up. And I for one would accept a Status Quo led by Rick if Francis had died and that's what he wanted to do.
I don't have the right to tell anyone (in a band) what to do. My only choices are whether to buy the ticket or buy the CD or not. I didn't buy the LNOTE CD or DVD, because even though I'd been to the concert, I didn't want that product without Rick at the time (although I might buy it one day when the dust settles). I'm happy with the choice that I have.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 18:40:29 GMT
By weird folks I think you mean realists, I don't think you would say they were weird if they shared the same opinions as you do No, I thought she meant the opposite Ive. I read it as There are people on Facebook who might have said that current Quo are better than the band has ever been....and they are the ones she was calling weird.
Contrary to what you seem to believe Ive, there's very few people on here, if anyone, who actually thinks the band are better now than in their heyday. There's very few people if anyone who doesn't think the 'classic albums' are great. There's no-one (that I've heard) who wouldn't prefer Rick to still be healthy and still in the band. And no-one is being conned by the current band....we all know what and who the current band are, and we make our choice whether to pay for it or not, we just don't feel the need to constantly slate them and compare them to previous line-ups. How many people voted for the current line-up in your poll the other week; anyone? I don't think so. So don't get us confused with the people on Facebook; (I shouldn't speak for everyone), but I think a lot of people on here just accept what the band is now, and realise that it's this line up or no line up. And I for one would accept a Status Quo led by Rick if Francis had died and that's what he wanted to do.
I don't have the right to tell anyone (in a band) what to do. My only choices are whether to buy the ticket or buy the CD or not. I didn't buy the LNOTE CD or DVD, because even though I'd been to the concert, I didn't want that product without Rick at the time (although I might buy it one day when the dust settles). I'm happy with the choice that I have.
As much as I love Rick, I wouldn't RE: the comment above in bold, for me, it had to be BOTH of them, especially from 84. Someone actually said to me the other day that I am not a Quo fan, in a way they are right, as from 84 onwards I was a Parfitt fan only, and stayed with the band because he was still there, otherwise I would not have bothered
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 7, 2017 18:54:05 GMT
No, I thought she meant the opposite Ive. I read it as There are people on Facebook who might have said that current Quo are better than the band has ever been....and they are the ones she was calling weird.
Contrary to what you seem to believe Ive, there's very few people on here, if anyone, who actually thinks the band are better now than in their heyday. There's very few people if anyone who doesn't think the 'classic albums' are great. There's no-one (that I've heard) who wouldn't prefer Rick to still be healthy and still in the band. And no-one is being conned by the current band....we all know what and who the current band are, and we make our choice whether to pay for it or not, we just don't feel the need to constantly slate them and compare them to previous line-ups. How many people voted for the current line-up in your poll the other week; anyone? I don't think so. So don't get us confused with the people on Facebook; (I shouldn't speak for everyone), but I think a lot of people on here just accept what the band is now, and realise that it's this line up or no line up. And I for one would accept a Status Quo led by Rick if Francis had died and that's what he wanted to do.
I don't have the right to tell anyone (in a band) what to do. My only choices are whether to buy the ticket or buy the CD or not. I didn't buy the LNOTE CD or DVD, because even though I'd been to the concert, I didn't want that product without Rick at the time (although I might buy it one day when the dust settles). I'm happy with the choice that I have.
As much as I love Rick, I wouldn't RE: the comment above in bold, for me, it had to be BOTH of them, especially from 84. Someone actually said to me the other day that I am not a Quo fan, in a way they are right, as from 84 onwards I was a Parfitt fan only, and stayed with the band because he was still there, otherwise I would not have bothered You are a Quo fan, you just don't like what they're currently doing. Contrary to what some people say, I don't think that anyone has to like every CD, every concert or every member of a band to be a fan. Just like not liking your current striker or current manager, but we still support our football teams. Also, I don't think you need to convince yourself that you hate everything that Francis Rossi has done over the last 30 years just because you blame him for certain things. Yes there has been some crap, but you also admit that Rick has produced some crap and been a bit lazy at times (but you forgive him for it). Francis has still produced some decent songs and decent albums and decent concerts....it wasn't all bad (IMO). If you don't like any songs FR has written in the last 30 years, then fair enough.
So that's where you're at; it's both RP & FR or there's no Quo....it's fine to feel like that, a lot of people do. It's not wrong, it's your opinion and it's right for you. I on the other hand can accept the current line up, and as I said I would have accepted a line up with Rick and no Francis had that happened.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 19:04:22 GMT
As much as I love Rick, I wouldn't RE: the comment above in bold, for me, it had to be BOTH of them, especially from 84. Someone actually said to me the other day that I am not a Quo fan, in a way they are right, as from 84 onwards I was a Parfitt fan only, and stayed with the band because he was still there, otherwise I would not have bothered You are a Quo fan, you just don't like what they're currently doing. Contrary to what some people say, I don't think that anyone has to like every CD, every concert or every member of a band to be a fan. Just like not liking your current striker or current manager, but we still support our football teams. Also, I don't think you need to convince yourself that you hate everything that Francis Rossi has done over the last 30 years just because you blame him for certain things. Yes there has been some crap, but you also admit that Rick has produced some crap and been a bit lazy at times (but you forgive him for it). Francis has still produced some decent songs and decent albums and decent concerts....it wasn't all bad (IMO). If you don't like any songs FR has written in the last 30 years, then fair enough.
So that's where you're at; it's both RP & FR or there's no Quo....it's fine to feel like that, a lot of people do. It's not wrong, it's your opinion and it's right for you. I on the other hand can accept the current line up, and as I said I would have accepted a line up with Rick and no Francis had that happened.
GREAT post, at last !! someone who understands, take a bow sir, you are a real rarity, with common sense
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 7, 2017 19:11:46 GMT
You are a Quo fan, you just don't like what they're currently doing. Contrary to what some people say, I don't think that anyone has to like every CD, every concert or every member of a band to be a fan. Just like not liking your current striker or current manager, but we still support our football teams. Also, I don't think you need to convince yourself that you hate everything that Francis Rossi has done over the last 30 years just because you blame him for certain things. Yes there has been some crap, but you also admit that Rick has produced some crap and been a bit lazy at times (but you forgive him for it). Francis has still produced some decent songs and decent albums and decent concerts....it wasn't all bad (IMO). If you don't like any songs FR has written in the last 30 years, then fair enough.
So that's where you're at; it's both RP & FR or there's no Quo....it's fine to feel like that, a lot of people do. It's not wrong, it's your opinion and it's right for you. I on the other hand can accept the current line up, and as I said I would have accepted a line up with Rick and no Francis had that happened.
GREAT post, at last !! someone who understands, take a bow sir, you are a real rarity, with common sense Thank you. I try my best
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Post by viking55 on Nov 7, 2017 19:22:52 GMT
So womorr from 84 you have never been a fan of the band. Just fixated with an individual. So now he has gone why the absolute hatred then ? Why the sudden interest in what Status Quo are doing now ? Surely you should be happy with your heroes contribution and put it to bed ?? You have masdivr issues imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
So womorr from 84 you have never been a fan of the band. Just fixated with an individual. So now he has gone why the absolute hatred then ? Why the sudden interest in what Status Quo are doing now ? Surely you should be happy with your heroes contribution and put it to bed ?? You have masdivr issues imo. You are a fool, you're posts prove it beyond any doubt at all But, just for you, and to clarify, YET AGAIN (and I am getting fecking sick of repeating it) I (along with many others) have hammered Judas, aka Rossi since 84 for what he done to that band and his misguided and wrong direction. You have no answers, you are pure fuel to me and always have been & not even a legit/credible challenge anymore
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Post by viking55 on Nov 7, 2017 19:49:54 GMT
Since 84 you have been at it.... have you really ? Did you write postcards to each other ? Well I’ll raise a glass to some fantastic gigs I have attended. Some brilliant recorded Songs and some very good albums. All since 1984... ching ching 🍷
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 20:05:52 GMT
Since 84 you have been at it.... have you really ? Did you write postcards to each other ? Well I’ll raise a glass to some fantastic gigs I have attended. Some brilliant recorded Songs and some very good albums. All since 1984... ching ching 🍷 Believe me when I say, they lost many fans after MK 84, only to be replaced in the main by the "once a year, if they dont play the hits I ain't gotta clue" mob,, since 84, the gig s have always been at an acceptable level, despite Rossi's often "cannot be arsed attitude", the recorded out put was most often dire, with the very odd exception, now if you imply I do not know what I am talking about, let me ask you this, how many times have you seen them live? I was nearing 500 up until Rick passed
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Post by viking55 on Nov 7, 2017 20:27:44 GMT
Nah.. nowhere near for me. I applaud you tho but I’ve had different priorities and focuses in my life than spending thousands following a band around. Not knocking it, each to their own thing.
Doesn’t make you an expert... just opinionated in what your beliefs are.and I doubt you would get a badge of honour from Francis for it.... After about 5 years I used to go for a p..s during 4500 times. More than likely you didn’t and lots of others didn’t. Hey-ho ! And then I used to go during Dirty Water just to balance things up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 20:35:36 GMT
Nah.. nowhere near for me. I applaud you tho but I’ve had different priorities and focuses in my life than spending thousands following a band around. Not knocking it, each to their own thing. Doesn’t make you an expert... just opinionated in what your beliefs are.and I doubt you would get a badge of honour from Francis for it.... After about 5 years I used to go for a p..s during 4500 times. More than likely you didn’t and lots of others didn’t. Hey-ho ! And then I used to go during Dirty Water just to balance things up. I spent thousands following that band over the many many years, to see it all destroyed by ONE person was NOT something I was gonna sit back and take, I am sure you will understand that. I NEVER said I am an expert at all, all i do is stick rigidly to my beliefs. I really do try to understand others opinions, but will admit theta they often defy any sense tyo me, as I am sure my own opinions do to some, oh and i wouldnt want NOTHING from Judas, nothing at all, I have either sold or burnt anything personalised I had from him re: 4500, and you call yerselve a true/real fan
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Post by viking55 on Nov 7, 2017 21:10:19 GMT
Each to their own Ive each to their own. It's honestly just sad that the fan base has come to this just because the band changed, Mellowed and carried on. But the hard facts of life and looking at nearly every other band it just nearly always happens. Even Steely Dan are vowing to carry on this week making statements After a sad death. And have they made a better album in the last 40 years ? That could be repeated dozens of times I expect. I really do admire you for sticking to your beliefs but I equally fervently don't believe Francis Rossi is responsible for everything that has happened to this band ! No need to answer that as we all know what you think.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 21:18:14 GMT
Each to their own Ive each to their own. It's honestly just sad that the fan base has come to this just because the band changed, Mellowed and carried on. But the hard facts of life and looking at nearly every other band it just nearly always happens. Even Steely Dan are vowing to carry on this week making statements After a sad death. And have they made a better album in the last 40 years ? That could be repeated dozens of times I expect. I really do admire you for sticking to your beliefs but I equally fervently don't believe Francis Rossi is responsible for everything that has happened to this band ! No need to answer that as we all know what you think. I find the current state of the band and whats left of the fan base to be truly tragic to be honest & whilst I accept that some will still accept it as SQ, i cannot understand why, to me it isn't, it never will be or can be anymore. I think Rossi has seriously under estimated what Rick meant to so many. and thought he could carry on regardless, the so called 2 song tribute to Rick was a disgrace imvho,,, I find that sad and tragic also. Just my opinion & to each their own
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Post by viking55 on Nov 7, 2017 21:43:33 GMT
Goodnight and take care 🤜🤛
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Post by snakelady on Nov 8, 2017 9:03:41 GMT
Just one thing @irp It was not one man, Francis, taking the band in the wrong direction (if you consider it wrong). Rick was always by his side going along with everything. He could've confronted Francis, he could've left if he didn't like the musical direction - he didn't do either. He left Alan behind and sided with Francis and he happily staid. And if he didn't like the musical direction he staid for the money alone whereas Francis believed in the musical direction. I tend to think that Rick liked it too, most of it at least - nobody always likes everything and I assume that goes for band members as well.
It weren't two Judasses though, just either two guys with changing tastes as they grew older older or one guy with changing musical taste and the other merely along for the ride for the money. I choose to believe in the first.
To sum it up - Rick is just as guilty concerning everything the band did. As you said, it was always F+R from 86 on. And I guess somewhere in the equation there's Andy and later Rhino as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 11:32:14 GMT
Just one thing @irp It was not one man, Francis, taking the band in the wrong direction (if you consider it wrong). Rick was always by his side going along with everything. He could've confronted Francis, he could've left if he didn't like the musical direction - he didn't do either. He left Alan behind and sided with Francis and he happily staid. And if he didn't like the musical direction he staid for the money alone whereas Francis believed in the musical direction. I tend to think that Rick liked it too, most of it at least - nobody always likes everything and I assume that goes for band members as well. It weren't two Judasses though, just either two guys with changing tastes as they grew older older or one guy with changing musical taste and the other merely along for the ride for the money. I choose to believe in the first. To sum it up - Rick is just as guilty concerning everything the band did. As you said, it was always F+R from 86 on. And I guess somewhere in the equation there's Andy and later Rhino as well. Rick was at fault for not challenging Rossi over the choice of material, maybe he realised if he had of done Rossi would had thrown yet another flounce and folded the band up,, it was after all always HIS band wasn't it ( ) like he did in 84
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Post by viking55 on Nov 8, 2017 13:46:56 GMT
I don’t think Rick was anti - modern Quo either. Why else would he write things like ‘ Leave a little light on ‘ etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 15:32:56 GMT
I don’t think Rick was anti - modern Quo either. Why else would he write things like ‘ Leave a little light on ‘ etc. Thats fair & reasonable comment, the answer (for me) is there was no balance between the heavier stuff (Ricks preference) and the poppier stuff (Rossi's preference)
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Post by problemshalved on Nov 8, 2017 18:34:53 GMT
Fact of the matter is despite Rick being quite happy to talk about about wanting heavy stuff, he was more guilty than Frame, about doing anything for money. At least Frame has been honest about his poppy preference, despite him actually writing some legendary Rock songs. Rick would have sanctioned a turd at the end of the day if it gave rewards as he had expensive habits/ lifestyle to finance. Rossi is a complicated individual but if his sole motive is to generate money for his large family, good on him. As he always says, it’s simply show business and let’s not carried away.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 9, 2017 8:18:19 GMT
I don’t think Rick was anti - modern Quo either. Why else would he write things like ‘ Leave a little light on ‘ etc. Thats fair & reasonable comment, the answer (for me) is there was no balance between the heavier stuff (Ricks preference) and the poppier stuff (Rossi's preference) There is no heavier stuff written by Rick. He solely has his rocker image from his stance on stage and his private lifestyle (after all he was the only band member to ever throw furniture into the pool ), but not from the tunes he wrote ! The few rockers he wrote are the exception to the rule, not the other way round. And that's Ok, Rick has contributed some beautiful ballads. Quo have always been a very diverse band and not a one trick pony, one of the reasons I became a fan. Just don't make Rick into someone he wasn't.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 9, 2017 14:29:39 GMT
I don’t think Rick was anti - modern Quo either. Why else would he write things like ‘ Leave a little light on ‘ etc. Thats fair & reasonable comment, the answer (for me) is there was no balance between the heavier stuff (Ricks preference) and the poppier stuff (Rossi's preference) I don't agree what this Ive (if I understand you correctly). IMO since 1991 Francis did write some heavier stuff, and Rick wrote a lot of lighter/poppier stuff as well; they both wrote some of each but Francis wrote more of both. Obviously most of it wasn't as heavy as the early classic stuff (or certainly wasn't recorded in that style), but relatively speaking Francis wrote and recorded plenty of the 'heavier' tunes;
Like a Zombie, All We Really Wanna Do, Fakin the Blues, (Soft in the Head & Rude Awakening Time....even though the production of TW was very light & poppy), Twenty Wild Horses, Under the Influence, Making Waves, Blues & Rhythm, All Stand Up NSN, Solid Gold, Another Day, Gotta Get Up and Go, Beginning of the End, I Ain't Wasting my Time, Two Way Traffic, Dust to Gold, Movin On, Frozen Hero.
So there's 19 songs there; I could've included more but left them out for various reasons. You might not like all of those songs, or might not agree that they are 'heavy' as such, but I'm not sure Rick's written much heavier has he?
Anyway, as I said on Tuesday, I hate all this Francis vs Rick stuff, and I don't want to start having a go at Rick because I loved Rick and Love this band; but I'm not sure it's always justified as painting Rossi as the bad guy. To say that some people think he hates rock music (and although he's said various things in interviews, I'm not sure he's ever said that), he's not done bad with some of those songs I've listed above. I know they aren't in the same style as 1970-76, but most of the albums since 1991 have definitely been better than what we got in the 80s (IMO).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 19:08:19 GMT
Thats fair & reasonable comment, the answer (for me) is there was no balance between the heavier stuff (Ricks preference) and the poppier stuff (Rossi's preference)
Anyway, as I said on Tuesday, I hate all this Francis vs Rick stuff, and I don't want to start having a go at Rick because I loved Rick and Love this band; but I'm not sure it's always justified as painting Rossi as the bad guy. To say that some people think he hates rock music (and although he's said various things in interviews, I'm not sure he's ever said that), he's not done bad with some of those songs I've listed above. I know they aren't in the same style as 1970-76, but most of the albums since 1991 have definitely been better than what we got in the 80s (IMO).
But it would seem to be perfectly ok and acceptable to make false claims & veiled digs against Rick & Alan, as long as nothing bad is said about Rossi, at least their nose didn't fall out
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