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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 20, 2017 7:33:01 GMT
Ah, did you notice that you used a banned (non offensive) word/term on here (one of many!) in yer post above which was automatically replaced Yeah agree with what you state above, especially the bits I have highlighted They must be kicking themselves for getting off at the wrong stop then !! As far as I can see STATUS QUO had a very successful ARENA tour and the diary is full for 2017. No Titanic episode here ! Go and have yourself a Pie and a pint at a JCQ gig might make you feel better ! Yes still here Ive. By the way where is all YER evidence for your jackanory statements ! I wouldn't call it successful considering they always have to curtain off seating areas that no one bought... It wasn't their own choice to hop off the Quo train... Everyone's god, Francis Rossi, was a puppet on a string to Phonogram and Quarry during the 80's... He'd do whatever they told him to do... Alan had an aggressive relationship with Quarry during this period, cause they didn't like that he knew too much about financial issues and how big the band were being ripped off. Alan was gone a couple of weeks after Live Aid and then Quo started recording the Army album on the 16.09.1985... obviously they didn't need to record much cause it was mainly old Quo songs that never made it to release.
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Post by viking55 on Feb 20, 2017 11:27:36 GMT
I would have thought SQ and Francis were tied to outstanding contracts in the 80s anyway so how could he be a puppet ! I reckon Alan had an inkling but no solid proof and wasn't kicking up a stink when he was in the band ! We all know the band spent fortunes anyway during the 80s on illegals etc...I think Francis was the one who got himself sorted and start looking after his future so good on him I say putting his family first instead of me and you. I would do exactly the same ! And it all comes back to the rest of them including Rick relying on Francis coming up with stuff all the time wether you think the material was god or not !
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Post by snakelady on Feb 20, 2017 13:46:52 GMT
Ah, did you notice that you used a banned (non offensive) word/term on here (one of many!) in yer post above which was automatically replaced Yeah agree with what you state above, especially the bits I have highlighted Well... I thought we was allowed to be opinionated and not be censored silly me for having an opinion... what about Francis Dominic Nicholas Michael Rossi's Quo? Too much typing .. - And we merely censor it when it's used by Ive .
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 20, 2017 14:08:22 GMT
I would have thought SQ and Francis were tied to outstanding contracts in the 80s anyway so how could he be a puppet ! I reckon Alan had an inkling but no solid proof and wasn't kicking up a stink when he was in the band ! We all know the band spent fortunes anyway during the 80s on illegals etc...I think Francis was the one who got himself sorted and start looking after his future so good on him I say putting his family first instead of me and you. I would do exactly the same ! And it all comes back to the rest of them including Rick relying on Francis coming up with stuff all the time wether you think the material was god or not ! Alan had known something financial was wrong from around 1978. However Alan was normally complaining about many things so the others never really took him seriously. Francis and Rick at the time were more worried where the next line was coming from than looking at what was going on financially. So they were easily manipulated by the people who wanted the money the band was generating. Alan's problem was that he went about things the wrong way. Rather than getting it done quietly he would go around shouting at people and that would just make them hide things better from him.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 20, 2017 16:03:09 GMT
Alan had known something financial was wrong from around 1978. However Alan was normally complaining about many things so the others never really took him seriously. Francis and Rick at the time were more worried where the next line was coming from than looking at what was going on financially. So they were easily manipulated by the people who wanted the money the band was generating. Alan's problem was that he went about things the wrong way. Rather than getting it done quietly he would go around shouting at people and that would just make them hide things better from him. That transalates as Alan had the balls to question and query the management, meanwhile that other person didnt or wouldnt because he knew they had him their pocket, Rossi didnt want Alan in the band any longer because he dared to stand up to him, and by doing so the Rossi dummy was well n truly spat out,,, again , spineless is another word I can associate with him. Alan had the balls to stand up to people but just went about things the wrong way. Look at the incident in Vienna they shoved Rick about but he just shrugged it off, Alan put them on the floor. Which is really the wrong thing to do he played into their hands as that was the reaction they wanted. I think it's the same with the RC they knew Alan would kick off and they could manipulate the two drug crazed idiots in the band.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 7:10:21 GMT
Alan had known something financial was wrong from around 1978. However Alan was normally complaining about many things so the others never really took him seriously. Francis and Rick at the time were more worried where the next line was coming from than looking at what was going on financially. So they were easily manipulated by the people who wanted the money the band was generating. Alan's problem was that he went about things the wrong way. Rather than getting it done quietly he would go around shouting at people and that would just make them hide things better from him. That transalates as Alan had the balls to question and query the management, meanwhile that other person didnt or wouldnt because he knew they had him their pocket, Rossi didnt want Alan in the band any longer because he dared to stand up to him, and by doing so the Rossi dummy was well n truly spat out,,, again , spineless is another word I can associate with him. Rossi didn't want to work with Alan anymore, but what you're neglecting to remember is that Rossi was happy to walk away from Quo and let Alan and Rick do what they wanted, but the RC only wanted a "Quo" with Francis and Rick and also due to the fact that they still had three(?) records left on the contract (and with Ricks money issues) it basically had them over a barrel.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 21, 2017 7:19:51 GMT
That transalates as Alan had the balls to question and query the management, meanwhile that other person didnt or wouldnt because he knew they had him their pocket, Rossi didnt want Alan in the band any longer because he dared to stand up to him, and by doing so the Rossi dummy was well n truly spat out,,, again , spineless is another word I can associate with him. Alan had the balls to stand up to people but just went about things the wrong way. Look at the incident in Vienna they shoved Rick about but he just shrugged it off, Alan put them on the floor. Which is really the wrong thing to do he played into their hands as that was the reaction they wanted. I think it's the same with the RC they knew Alan would kick off and they could manipulate the two drug crazed idiots in the band. Agree about the second half, but the incident in Vienna merely shows that Alan behaved too aggressive and macho for his own and everybody else's good, when he should've used his brain instead. You just don't attack customs officers at border controls .. Actually this incident shows that Alan hardly had his aggressions under control even before he was into the heavy drugs. He must've become a scary little person once he was ..
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 21, 2017 7:38:09 GMT
I would have thought SQ and Francis were tied to outstanding contracts in the 80s anyway so how could he be a puppet ! I reckon Alan had an inkling but no solid proof and wasn't kicking up a stink when he was in the band ! We all know the band spent fortunes anyway during the 80s on illegals etc...I think Francis was the one who got himself sorted and start looking after his future so good on him I say putting his family first instead of me and you. I would do exactly the same ! And it all comes back to the rest of them including Rick relying on Francis coming up with stuff all the time wether you think the material was god or not ! There are a whole load of faxes from 1984/85 between the band members that will more than likely show Rossi in a bad light when they can be released after legal issues are sorted
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Post by snakelady on Feb 21, 2017 7:52:58 GMT
I would have thought SQ and Francis were tied to outstanding contracts in the 80s anyway so how could he be a puppet ! I reckon Alan had an inkling but no solid proof and wasn't kicking up a stink when he was in the band ! We all know the band spent fortunes anyway during the 80s on illegals etc...I think Francis was the one who got himself sorted and start looking after his future so good on him I say putting his family first instead of me and you. I would do exactly the same ! And it all comes back to the rest of them including Rick relying on Francis coming up with stuff all the time wether you think the material was god or not ! There are a whole load of faxes from 1984/85 between the band members that will more than likely show Rossi in a bad light when they can be released after legal issues are sorted How do you know - has any of them been published so far ? I'm actually surprised they could be bothered to write each other coherent sentences. Thought Francis simply ignored the others, while the others tried to call him. I'd have expected faxes to come from the RC or management ..
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 21, 2017 7:57:54 GMT
There are a whole load of faxes from 1984/85 between the band members that will more than likely show Rossi in a bad light when they can be released after legal issues are sorted How do you know - has any of them been published so far ? I'm actually surprised they could be bothered to write each other coherent sentences. Thought Francis simply ignored the others, while the others tried to call him. I'd have expected faxes to come from the RC or management .. QuoLlector a while ago on facebook mentioned he'd met up with another Quo collector that had a lot of stuff never released by the band, such as songs and what not from the very early days before they became Quo... He mentioned these faxes and got a lot of people intrigued to what was on them and give a brief few points on what they contained. 1. After MK84 Alan was not happy with Quarry. Alan received not enough income. 2. Colin said that Phonogram was responsible for it and proposed an audit, to research if they were paying enough royalties. He even proposed a worse deal with Andy and Pete, a fix amount 15.000 GBP for each record and no longer a percentage. Alan wanted to get off from the Phonogram deal and Quarry. They were the bad guys. 3. Francis and Rick didn't want to come over to Australia to record another album Alan did not even wanted to come over to the UK to record another album. 4. Despite the business part their were also personal differences in the relationship between Francis and Alan. But that could be overwhelmed. They were still friends. 5. The In the Army recordings started on 16.09.1985 6. Phonogram denied it to Alan but Alan knew that studio time was booked. He knew it from several sources. 7. In the end, the relationship between Quarry and Alan was very aggressive. They were no longer on speaking terms. They were upset that Alan knew too much about financial issues. Alan didn't settle an agreement up until around 2008/09, so I don't think he'd received any royalties at all up until after it had been settled. Edit; They also had the letter that was sent to Alan when Francis sacked him
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Post by snakelady on Feb 21, 2017 8:06:28 GMT
Ah, that does sound interesting - and credible. Thanks for the info. Francis would've been easy to use for the RC with his own problems with Alan and it would explain why they still hardly made any money till David Walker appeared on the scene .. In that case though I doubt it will be published any time soon. The RC's lawyers will see to that I suppose ..
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 21, 2017 8:28:43 GMT
Ah, that does sound interesting - and credible. Thanks for the info. Francis would've been easy to use for the RC with his own problems with Alan and it would explain why they still hardly made any money till David Walker appeared on the scene .. In that case though I doubt it will be published any time soon. The RC's lawyers will see to that I suppose .. Someone contacted him not long after he posted it and it was removed... not sure who it was but they didn't want it out there I guess. Very interesting stuff, there's also faxes from '86 I was mistaken and just thought it was 84/85. Would love to know how they'd got hold of them as well? unless it was through Colin Johnson
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Post by viking55 on Feb 21, 2017 9:00:55 GMT
Thanks for that info . Just on point 3. Then I assume they were at a total enpass with Alan and the rc were demanding product so something had to give then. Shame it ended the way it did but what choice did Francis have and as Paul said Rossi was prepared to leave the band but the RC would not allow it. I cannot see what else he could have done to be perfectly honest !
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 21, 2017 13:07:57 GMT
Ah, that does sound interesting - and credible. Thanks for the info. Francis would've been easy to use for the RC with his own problems with Alan and it would explain why they still hardly made any money till David Walker appeared on the scene .. In that case though I doubt it will be published any time soon. The RC's lawyers will see to that I suppose .. I think they just used to put anything in front of him and he signed it at that time. As we know he would be having many lines a day and would not be that bothered about what he was signing.
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