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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Dec 15, 2016 18:20:51 GMT
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I hadn't really thought about it like that but I suppose for a one off show in the UK, then that could very well be the solution.
Change the set? Now you're talking Francis will be in melt down!!! :lolflg:
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Post by mortified on Dec 16, 2016 16:30:45 GMT
I'm not sure "Chinese whispers" is a fair reflection of how this panned out. It came straight from John Coghlan during a public broadcast. Now he may have spoken out of turn, I don't know, but he seems to think they'll be recording. If its just one track or something on a Rick solo album then his comments were very misleading. He even said that none of them wanted to do the acoustic stuff and more than hinted that they would do this instead. The PLC thing has probably been made up. Its a good name though. Like FFS I guess we just have to wait and see what happens. Rick himself has said he has a load of songs. That's quite surprising given his track record and contradicts what he said maybe a couple of years ago. But time will tell. Here's hoping.
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Post by LOZ on Feb 8, 2017 18:26:24 GMT
R.I.P ~~~ PLC.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 8, 2017 19:46:48 GMT
PLC was a lovely idea which would have appealed to many I'm sure, the best we could of hoped for was an album in 2017,, certainly no gigs given obvious health issues. I do feel its something they could & perhaps should have done years ago, they could possibly have done it even while SQ were still going after 84 as a side project, I do feel that would had kept everyone happy had they had done so. Sadly neither was ever to be it could have done easily if Alan had not been given bad legal advice and kept trying to sue Quo in the wrong way. John joined Alan in the Party boys for a while, no doubt while Francis was doing solo stuff in 95 Rick could have done something with the 2 of them, though I think at the time Alan was still pretty angry with Rick for siding with Francis.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 8, 2017 20:05:10 GMT
it could have done easily if Alan had not been given bad legal advice and kept trying to sue Quo in the wrong way. John joined Alan in the Party boys for a while, no doubt while Francis was doing solo stuff in 95 Rick could have done something with the 2 of them, though I think at the time Alan was still pretty angry with Rick for siding with Francis. As far as I was aware Rick maintained contact with Alan through out this period Not sure Rick said in one of the books. Alan wanted to "Punch his lights out" after the court case and that feeling had lasted for a few years.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 18, 2017 14:39:23 GMT
Not sure Rick said in one of the books. Alan wanted to "Punch his lights out" after the court case and that feeling had lasted for a few years. Seems odd then that they maintained contact, all be it infrequent at times Never heard of them having still been in contact either - well, apart from those angry calls which Alan gave him and in one of which that threat was uttered. Didn't Rick say he was really scared of Alan afterwards and didn't dare talking to him afterwards ? Even when they finally got back together, all that was ever mentioned and up till before the second reunion tour was that Francis and Alan were skyping on a daily basis nearly - and not a word about Rick. We heard about Francis and Alan writing songs together on skype then, but that too obviously became history once the second reunion tour was over and Francis had made clear there wouldn't be another. Nothing about skyping with Rick though. I've always felt that it was the second reunion tour that changed everything and destroyed what Francis and Alan had built up again. Francis didn't talk about Alan any longer and Alan started to talk negatively about Francis again. Guess Rick only became of interest for Alan once it was clear there'd be no more FF. So would that have been a healthy foundation for PLC ? Not sure about it. Rick would've been Alan's ticket to reach a bigger audience again and with Rick not the most prolific songwriter of all, Alan would've been of help to get Rick's solo album finished. But best friends again ? I don't think so ..
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 18, 2017 20:11:14 GMT
Seems odd then that they maintained contact, all be it infrequent at times Never heard of them having still been in contact either - well, apart from those angry calls which Alan gave him and in one of which that threat was uttered. Didn't Rick say he was really scared of Alan afterwards and didn't dare talking to him afterwards ? Even when they finally got back together, all that was ever mentioned and up till before the second reunion tour was that Francis and Alan were skyping on a daily basis nearly - and not a word about Rick. We heard about Francis and Alan writing songs together on skype then, but that too obviously became history once the second reunion tour was over and Francis had made clear there wouldn't be another. Nothing about skyping with Rick though. I've always felt that it was the second reunion tour that changed everything and destroyed what Francis and Alan had built up again. Francis didn't talk about Alan any longer and Alan started to talk negatively about Francis again. Guess Rick only became of interest for Alan once it was clear there'd be no more FF. So would that have been a healthy foundation for PLC ? Not sure about it. Rick would've been Alan's ticket to reach a bigger audience again and with Rick not the most prolific songwriter of all, Alan would've been of help to get Rick's solo album finished. But best friends again ? I don't think so .. Rick and Alan were talking again by 95, though how often I don't know. I think though the main problem on the last FF tour was Francis refusing to do another one. Maybe he would have done but he had other things he wanted to do which is fair enough. There was evidently tensions regarding Rick's behaviour on that tour which concerned him. Plus Alan was getting bossy despite the fact that it was obvious that he was in poorer health the 2nd time round. Even though he never gave up, being carried onto the stage is not a good thing. It could not carry on and Francis and I think John could see that. Alan,Bob and maybe Rick felt they could have done this once a year but I don't think it would have been possible with the health situation. Maybe they should have tried a few new songs together in the studio as that probably was a missed oppertunity.
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Post by reasonforliving on Feb 18, 2017 21:10:18 GMT
I know it was only in papers and so just maybe not 100% true but wasn't there something about Rick and Francis not really talking. I think Rick said that Francis suggested he formed another band and even suggested a name. Could this have been PLC?
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Post by viking55 on Feb 18, 2017 23:32:57 GMT
I know a lot of older FF fans will say Francis bottled it BUT I think he was really happy with the first tour and probably saw something in it. And then ill fated second tour which imho was not as good as the first tour. He saw things getting out of hand again... drink,personality clashes.. the whole shabang starting to repeat. I really think Francis was beyond getting dragged into a lot of again. And thought wtf.not for me. Mind I will say he was wrong to dismiss it the way he did I.e nostalgia. Critical of the playing but he saw it for what it was.. simple as !
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Post by quocaquola on Feb 19, 2017 0:43:34 GMT
It is happening.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2017 8:13:07 GMT
You mean the songs that have been written being recorded and released I assume. Would be good to hear, actually. For everything else it's too late now, obviously ..
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2017 8:25:38 GMT
I know it was only in papers and so just maybe not 100% true but wasn't there something about Rick and Francis not really talking. I think Rick said that Francis suggested he formed another band and even suggested a name. Could this have been PLC? Rick drove around in his Bentley for one tour for reasons unknown, but that's what caused the speculation that they weren't talking. Generally speaking, both have said various times, that from time to time they'd not speak - that something was wrong and they'd think it was their fault. And the other would think it was his fault. And then, after a while it would be mentioned and talked about. Something else they kept repeating was that they give each other space to avoid arguments and fall-outs. Maybe that was what was happening then - they were spending time and space away from each other to avoid that problems occurred ? That's where the speculation starts again though ..
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 19, 2017 11:00:55 GMT
I know it was only in papers and so just maybe not 100% true but wasn't there something about Rick and Francis not really talking. I think Rick said that Francis suggested he formed another band and even suggested a name. Could this have been PLC? Rick drove around in his Bentley for one tour for reasons unknown, but that's what caused the speculation that they weren't talking. Generally speaking, both have said various times, that from time to time they'd not speak - that something was wrong and they'd think it was their fault. And the other would think it was his fault. And then, after a while it would be mentioned and talked about. Something else they kept repeating was that they give each other space to avoid arguments and fall-outs. Maybe that was what was happening then - they were spending time and space away from each other to avoid that problems occurred ? That's where the speculation starts again though .. I have been told that was because he was trying to stop himself drinking after the gigs. I think it was after the 2014 heart attack, it does seem that he went through periods of abstanance for his health but could not keep it up sadly.
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Post by quocaquola on Feb 19, 2017 11:36:13 GMT
Guess Rick only became of interest for Alan once it was clear there'd be no more FF. So would that have been a healthy foundation for PLC ? Not sure about it. Rick would've been Alan's ticket to reach a bigger audience again and with Rick not the most prolific songwriter of all, Alan would've been of help to get Rick's solo album finished. But best friends again ? I don't think so .. As LFH stated, they were in contact from around 1995 I find yer comment above to be disrespecful to Alan to be honest as you are implying that Alan would have used Rick, how many times have you told me to show respect to all members ?!, maybe try following yer own rules ? Plain facts, hardly disrespectful.
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 19, 2017 12:27:23 GMT
I don't see why Alan would've used Rick? Rick and Alan never truly had "beef" between them... You have to understand that during 1985 Alan was helping Rick cause he was basically poor, and they was performing together with Diesel Band. The last time Alan performed with Quo, 13th July 1985 Live Aid and got the letter a few weeks later saying he was out of the band and then a month or so later they started recording In The Army Now. I see it as, Rick went back to Quo cause they owed the RC albums and if they didn't live up to their commitment they would've been sued and Rick didn't have that money. Alan was pissed off with the fact that Rick had somewhat used him and then fcked him off, but it was Ricks only option. 10 years later in 1995, both were talking again... there's even a clip of Rick, Alan and Rhino on youtube from 1995 talking, albeit a bit short. It took Rossi 25+ years to rekindle his friendship with Alan... and it took Alan calling Porter (as the story goes), for them to talk again. As I said I don't see why Alan would need to use Rick when they both had the same feelings on how Quo should be, and more or less a better friendship than Rossi and Rick. But who knows the truth? that's just my opinion
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 19, 2017 12:52:09 GMT
I don't see why Alan would've used Rick? Rick and Alan never truly had "beef" between them... You have to understand that during 1985 Alan was helping Rick cause he was basically poor, and they was performing together with Diesel Band. The last time Alan performed with Quo, 13th July 1985 Live Aid and got the letter a few weeks later saying he was out of the band and then a month or so later they started recording In The Army Now. I see it as, Rick went back to Quo cause they owed the RC albums and if they didn't live up to their commitment they would've been sued and Rick didn't have that money. Alan was pissed off with the fact that Rick had somewhat used him and then fcked him off, but it was Ricks only option. 10 years later in 1995, both were talking again... there's even a clip of Rick, Alan and Rhino on youtube from 1995 talking, albeit a bit short.It took Rossi 25+ years to rekindle his friendship with Alan... and it took Alan calling Porter (as the story goes), for them to talk again. As I said I don't see why Alan would need to use Rick when they both had the same feelings on how Quo should be, and more or less a better friendship than Rossi and Rick. But who knows the truth? that's just my opinion Answer is of course that Alan didn't use Rick,( and I find it disrespectful for anyone to even suggest it,but different rules blah blah blah to suit needs !!, besides, Alan would never stoop to the depths his former band mate has) whats suggested earlier in this thread is mere speculation from a Rossi & his band fan, so that don't really count as viable & of any merit at all then does it ?! And what I have highlighted in yer post above, totally correct as i understand it. And here is the clip you mention All Rossi had to do was swallow whatever pride he had left and they could have reunited around that time giving Jeff, Rhino and Andy time off to see their families, and would've stopped them from going down the covers route. If they had reunited at the time they could have; recorded a new album with original material or jumped on the MTV unplugged bandwagon and done a decent acoustic album. Someone on 4th's Board (can't remember who) said something the other week that I 100% agree with... and that was, I bet it felt like a kick in the gut to have to pull off all these publicity stunts just to stay in the limelight because albums aren't quite cutting it any more. (something along those lines).
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 19, 2017 13:28:48 GMT
All Rossi had to do was swallow whatever pride he had left and they could have reunited around that time giving Jeff, Rhino and Andy time off to see their families, and would've stopped them from going down the covers route. If they had reunited at the time they could have; recorded a new album with original material or jumped on the MTV unplugged bandwagon and done a decent acoustic album. Someone on 4th's Board (can't remember who) said something the other week that I 100% agree with... and that was, I bet it felt like a kick in gut to have to pull off all these publicity stunts just to stay in the limelight because albums aren't quite cutting it any more. (something along those lines). Ah, someone who talks perfect sense to me !!, what a novelty that is , yeah I agree with yer, except the words "Rossi" and "pride" do not clearly go together as he clearly has no pride or respect for the legacy that made him what he was,,, notice I used the word "was" It's only in the past couple of years I've really gone off Rossi.. reading stories, listening to interviews and just putting 1 and 1 together. I think cocaine completely changed Rossi... willing to go behind band members backs to put his vocals on their songs, for example Ol' Rag Blues and Too Close Too The Ground... I remember on the original Quo forum there was a thread for 1982 - 1984 tour stories and someone mentioned during Roadhouse Blues on one of the EOTR gigs, Rick was stood on Rossi cable unbeknownst to him, and Rossi didn't have 'freedom' to walk around whilst solo'ing... afterwards backstage Rossi had a go at Rick. He's just always felt the need to down talk Alan as well during interviews, I understand Alan did the same early on after he was slung out but Rossi was still doing it up until the started talking again. And he had the cheek to say someone must have got into Rick during the 70's
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Post by quocaquola on Feb 19, 2017 13:43:06 GMT
Plain facts, hardly disrespectful. Wrong, speculation, but if they are facts, as you state, then please show me where its documented Nawnawnaw explain as to how it's purely speculation? Where's your facts for that then?
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 19, 2017 14:43:31 GMT
It's only in the past couple of years I've really gone off Rossi.. reading stories, listening to interviews and just putting 1 and 1 together. I think cocaine completely changed Rossi... willing to go behind band members backs to put his vocals on their songs, for example Ol' Rag Blues and Too Close Too The Ground... I remember on the original Quo forum there was a thread for 1982 - 1984 tour stories and someone mentioned during Roadhouse Blues on one of the EOTR gigs, Rick was stood on Rossi cable unbeknownst to him, and Rossi didn't have 'freedom' to walk around whilst solo'ing... afterwards backstage Rossi had a go at Rick. He's just always felt the need to down talk Alan as well during interviews, I understand Alan did the same early on after he was slung out but Rossi was still doing it up until the started talking again. And he had the cheek to say someone must have got into Rick during the 70's Ah well, Rossi always regarded it as HIS band, what he said went etc, well now it really is and he is fecking welcome to it (and so is the er fanbase if you can call em that!, the those that SQ do no wrong small brigade) and making a laughing stock of himself and the legacy he was part of, I will enjoy watching this for sure. I have read so may pathetic excuses to defend him and them, plus his u turns etc,, the man has rapidly made a total joke of himself, but some still cannot see it I recall the glorious days of the real Quo army, nowadays its more like the Quo cub scouts Fair enough to those that want to support Rossi's Quo but the name needs changing to Status Quo, cause it only has one original member, just like John Coghlans Quo... Rossi used to be a good showman but has been mundane for quite some time now... He talks about he much better the band were in 1986 compared to previous years but watch the Brussels gig from that year and it's just so false. Without Lancaster the didn't have a clue how to interact on stage and half of the time looked lost... can't do much with a bass player spinning around and marching on the spot Shame how everything has folded out for Quo.. For years they road the wave and one by one members unceremoniously ditched... or you could say left the sinking ship before they went under with it
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2017 16:04:28 GMT
Rick drove around in his Bentley for one tour for reasons unknown, but that's what caused the speculation that they weren't talking. Generally speaking, both have said various times, that from time to time they'd not speak - that something was wrong and they'd think it was their fault. And the other would think it was his fault. And then, after a while it would be mentioned and talked about. Something else they kept repeating was that they give each other space to avoid arguments and fall-outs. Maybe that was what was happening then - they were spending time and space away from each other to avoid that problems occurred ? That's where the speculation starts again though .. I have been told that was because he was trying to stop himself drinking after the gigs. I think it was after the 2014 heart attack, it does seem that he went through periods of abstanance for his health but could not keep it up sadly. Not sure that makes any sense to me. There'd not have been that much alcohol on the tour bus - rather the opposite - and Francis and Lyane would probably have made sure he didn't touch the stuff. On the other hand driving around on his own there was temptation all the time, every pub he passed .. and nobody there to stop him. So I'd rather assume it would've been the obvious choice to drive around on his own if he planned to secretly have a drink or two. Wouldn't have been out of character and drinking and driving had never bothered him either ..
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 19, 2017 17:11:15 GMT
I have been told that was because he was trying to stop himself drinking after the gigs. I think it was after the 2014 heart attack, it does seem that he went through periods of abstanance for his health but could not keep it up sadly. Not sure that makes any sense to me. There'd not have been that much alcohol on the tour bus - rather the opposite - and Francis and Lyane would probably have made sure he didn't touch the stuff. On the other hand driving around on his own there was temptation all the time, every pub he passed .. and nobody there to stop him. So I'd rather assume it would've been the obvious choice to drive around on his own if he planned to secretly have a drink or two. Wouldn't have been out of character and drinking and driving had never bothered him either .. The bus is where the drinking happened. Both Rick and Rhino often partook of a few bottles of vino after a gig, Francis would go to his part of the bus and go to sleep normally.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2017 17:21:38 GMT
Not sure that makes any sense to me. There'd not have been that much alcohol on the tour bus - rather the opposite - and Francis and Lyane would probably have made sure he didn't touch the stuff. On the other hand driving around on his own there was temptation all the time, every pub he passed .. and nobody there to stop him. So I'd rather assume it would've been the obvious choice to drive around on his own if he planned to secretly have a drink or two. Wouldn't have been out of character and drinking and driving had never bothered him either .. The bus is where the drinking happened. Both Rick and Rhino often partook of a few bottles of vino after a gig, Francis would go to his part of the bus and go to sleep normally. Thought after the FF reunion during which they had used two buses, they were using two for the regular Quo tours as well and it were Francis and Rick on one and the others on the second bus ? Don't know for certain though ..
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2017 17:48:38 GMT
@inna - a similar story to mine. I had gone off the band so far in 84/85 that all the band politics and even the EOTR simply didn't reach me, hence couldn't touch me. When I returned there were different band members and I could either accept them or not. As it happened, I accepted them .. Everything else I merely learned about later when I owned my first Quo book - this: (thought it was in German, but can't really remember ?) I'm quite sure though that in the last chapter the band talks about why they stop touring and that they'll continue recording. Must've received the book as a present in 87/88 - no idea what became of it ..
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Post by viking55 on Feb 19, 2017 21:49:04 GMT
Fair enough to those that want to support Rossi's Quo but the name needs changing to Status Quo, cause it only has one original member, just like John Coghlans Quo... Rossi used to be a good showman but has been mundane for quite some time now... He talks about he much better the band were in 1986 compared to previous years but watch the Brussels gig from that year and it's just so false. Without Lancaster the didn't have a clue how to interact on stage and half of the time looked lost... can't do much with a bass player spinning around and marching on the spot Shame how everything has folded out for Quo.. For years they road the wave and one by one members unceremoniously ditched... or you could say left the sinking ship before they went under with it Ah, did you notice that you used a banned (non offensive) word/term on here (one of many!) in yer post above which was automatically replaced Yeah agree with what you state above, especially the bits I have highlighted They must be kicking themselves for getting off at the wrong stop then !! As far as I can see STATUS QUO had a very successful ARENA tour and the diary is full for 2017. No Titanic episode here ! Go and have yourself a Pie and a pint at a JCQ gig might make you feel better ! Yes still here Ive. By the way where is all YER evidence for your jackanory statements !
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 20, 2017 7:22:25 GMT
Fair enough to those that want to support Rossi's Quo but the name needs changing to Status Quo, cause it only has one original member, just like John Coghlans Quo... Rossi used to be a good showman but has been mundane for quite some time now... He talks about he much better the band were in 1986 compared to previous years but watch the Brussels gig from that year and it's just so false. Without Lancaster the didn't have a clue how to interact on stage and half of the time looked lost... can't do much with a bass player spinning around and marching on the spot Shame how everything has folded out for Quo.. For years they road the wave and one by one members unceremoniously ditched... or you could say left the sinking ship before they went under with it Ah, did you notice that you used a banned (non offensive) word/term on here (one of many!) in yer post above which was automatically replaced Yeah agree with what you state above, especially the bits I have highlighted Well... I thought we was allowed to be opinionated and not be censored silly me for having an opinion... what about Francis Dominic Nicholas Michael Rossi's Quo?
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