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Post by Isaac Ryan on Dec 24, 2016 14:21:30 GMT
Each of the FF have their story to tell, I didn't think AL would be too flattering towards FR, did you?
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Post by snakelady on Dec 24, 2016 14:36:48 GMT
The comments don't tell me much about Francis, but a lot about Alan ..
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Post by mortified on Dec 24, 2016 14:49:08 GMT
Oh, and lest there be any misunderstanding, we're not Rossi fans, we're Quo fans. Ah, but this isn't Quo. Yes it is. No it isn't. Yes it is. ad infinitum....
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Post by problemshalved on Jan 1, 2017 9:32:17 GMT
Bitter and twisted spring to mind, and if he was as good as he seems to think he is, how come he never made it on his own
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Post by problemshalved on Jan 1, 2017 13:48:00 GMT
Do you really think Rossi could single handily oust first Coghlqn then Lancaster. EqUlly to make statements like record sales are overestimated by some 70 million makes me question anything that comes out of his mouth
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Post by problemshalved on Jan 1, 2017 16:13:13 GMT
Yes Rossi didnt want to continue working with him, and was as I understood prepared to go it alone and only continued initially as he was contractually obliged to the record company to put out more albums in Quo name. As this whole thing went to court presumably whatever individuals may or may not say is irrelevant. Let's not forget, if Rossi is a liar as you seem to think, then RP was complicit in this lie as he could have easily broken away with AL
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 1, 2017 16:47:29 GMT
Yes Rossi didnt want to continue working with him, and was as I understood prepared to go it alone and only continued initially as he was contractually obliged to the record company to put out more albums in Quo name. As this whole thing went to court presumably whatever individuals may or may not say is irrelevant. Let's not forget, if Rossi is a liar as you seem to think, then RP was complicit in this lie as he could have easily broken away with AL Though at the time Rick was broke and knew that going back with Francis was his only option. As the RC wanted Rossi/Parfitt nothing else. Anyway why continue to argue about the past since the 24th December everything has changed. We can still argue but it will not change anything we had a FF reunion in 2013/14 and Dublin was where that ended.
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Post by smokie on Jan 2, 2017 0:32:09 GMT
Do you really think Rossi could single handily oust first Coghlqn then Lancaster. EqUlly to make statements like record sales are overestimated by some 70 million makes me question anything that comes out of his mouth you obviously take Rossi's word as gospel, I dont, I don't either actually. I'm growing increasingly tired of this "Rossi bad" argument which you obviously subscribe to. What about Alan though? You take every thing that he says against Francis as "gospel" (your word, not mine) because it fits in with your point of view. I've nothing against Alan but he refers to Francis as "the anti Quoist?". That's risible coming from one who wrote such crap as Big Man. In my very honest opinion of course. Perhaps Francis stood up against Alan? Ever thought that might be a possibility? Who knows? I don't and neither do you. Francis as the devil incarnate. Alan the white knight. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle?
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Post by problemshalved on Jan 2, 2017 4:49:59 GMT
When he makes statements like the record sales have been overestimated by 70 million, he loses any credibility.
It's no surprise Rossi decided to knock the FF reunion on the head if he was chirping away with his bitterness like this in the background, opening up old wounds.
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Post by craydarr on Jan 2, 2017 8:57:31 GMT
When he makes statements like the record sales have been overestimated by 70 million, he loses any credibility. It's no surprise Rossi decided to knock the FF reunion on the head if he was chirping away with his bitterness like this in the background, opening up old wounds. The the first figures quoted were for 100 million "units" not albums and that is easily achieved by them if you take into account cd's, dvd' singles, albums and every other format. People then started to use that figure and state albums which obviously isn't right, so Al is right. To a degree you can understand Alan being bitter, but it's the same old story in any relationship breakdown, the faults lie on both sides. Whether it's a marriage or a band splitting.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 2, 2017 10:02:27 GMT
I don't either actually. I'm growing increasingly tired of this "Rossi bad" argument which you obviously subscribe to. What about Alan though? You take every thing that he says against Francis as "gospel" (your word, not mine) because it fits in with your point of view. I've nothing against Alan but he refers to Francis as "the anti Quoist?". That's risible coming from one who wrote such crap as Big Man. In my very honest opinion of course. Perhaps Francis stood up against Alan? Ever thought that might be a possibility? Who knows? I don't and neither do you. Francis as the devil incarnate. Alan the white knight. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle? I don't believe all that the others have said either, but I do believe a higher % of what they have said over Rossi,this downward spiral started for me when I realised (after the event) I had foolishly believed his immortal words (lies) at MK 84, when he stated " we are not splitting up, we will still be a band as normal",, when the actual reality was, he knew at that time, he didnt want to work with Alan anymore.and he didnt want Quo anymore. They clashed over how they believed Quo should sound, Rossi wanted a poppier sound, Alan wanted a heavier sound, the music that built Quo's legacy, was in the main the heavier sound. I do feel a compromise should have been reached. If Bob Young had still been there a compromise would have been reached. John says it best that they needed a break from each other 2 years apart doing solo stuff would have eased tensions before it was too late. However the money men didn't want that we know that management were ripping them off. (LOAI tells you something) They just wanted Quo out gigging/recording/gigging/recording. If anyone started asking awkward questions they were manovered out of the way. I agree with Alan that drugs had a lot to do with it they took all the fun out of it so all you were left with was tensions.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 2, 2017 10:20:59 GMT
If Bob Young had still been there a compromise would have been reached. John says it best that they needed a break from each other 2 years apart doing solo stuff would have eased tensions before it was too late. However the money men didn't want that we know that management were ripping them off. (LOAI tells you something) They just wanted Quo out gigging/recording/gigging/recording. If anyone started asking awkward questions they were manovered out of the way. I agree with Alan that drugs had a lot to do with it they took all the fun out of it so all you were left with was tensions. Agreed, Bob was always the anchor in the band to steady the ship, but didnt he actually leave because of the in band tensions reaching a point where even he couldnt steady it out ? No because someone was in his ear telling him Francis said this about you. Then they went to Francis and said Bob said this. They never really talked to each other just through others. I think both Alan and Bob knew something was going on money wise so they were removed. I do think though after David Walker took over and found a lot of the missing money. He should have made more effort in getting Alan and Francis to talk again. It would have been a better idea than the poor covers albums.
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Post by craydarr on Jan 2, 2017 10:29:19 GMT
I don't believe all that the others have said either, but I do believe a higher % of what they have said over Rossi,this downward spiral started for me when I realised (after the event) I had foolishly believed his immortal words (lies) at MK 84, when he stated " we are not splitting up, we will still be a band as normal",, when the actual reality was, he knew at that time, he didnt want to work with Alan anymore.and he didnt want Quo anymore. They clashed over how they believed Quo should sound, Rossi wanted a poppier sound, Alan wanted a heavier sound, the music that built Quo's legacy, was in the main the heavier sound. I do feel a compromise should have been reached. If Bob Young had still been there a compromise would have been reached. John says it best that they needed a break from each other 2 years apart doing solo stuff would have eased tensions before it was too late. However the money men didn't want that we know that management were ripping them off. (LOAI tells you something) They just wanted Quo out gigging/recording/gigging/recording. If anyone started asking awkward questions they were manovered out of the way. I agree with Alan that drugs had a lot to do with it they took all the fun out of it so all you were left with was tensions. To be fair Bob and Andy are probably the best people to speak to and get a more even handed answer to the reasons for the split. All the guys in the band would see things from their side, but then there would also be some kind of crossover in their answers so that will also give an idea. As has already been said drugs, egos, money, fatigue and outside influences were all involved and all sides were to blame. Band politics, it happens to all bands, to varying degrees.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 2, 2017 11:09:09 GMT
No because someone was in his ear telling him Francis said this about you. Then they went to Francis and said Bob said this. They never really talked to each other just through others. I think both Alan and Bob knew something was going on money wise so they were removed. I do think though after David Walker took over and found a lot of the missing money. He should have made more effort in getting Alan and Francis to talk again. It would have been a better idea than the poor covers albums. Knowing how close Bob was to the band members I'm very surprised he didn't ask the band members himself about the untrue gossip being said & instead believed those manipulating him and the band. As for David Walker, as far as I'm concerned he did a lot of good for the band, and managed to, in part restore the SQ Bob was doing drugs same as all the others, so he probably wasn't his level-headed self at the time either. And yep Alan did take them too, only he conveniently forgets to mention the fact these days. When John left the band it was made clear that he felt alienated, because the others took drugs while he was drinking heavily and those two different types of taking yourself out just didn't match. He wasn't part of he inner circle anymore and that must've been hard for him. Guess John felt lost and lonely at the time, which made him even moodier than usual. I'm sure if they hadn't all been so out of their heads , things would've taken a different course. No idea which one though, but at least some things would've been talked through .. Alan wrote Your Kind Of Love for Back To Back, one of the worst tracks on BTB. You can't criticise others for the style they wrote in while your own songs are of such a poor quality (and I won't even mention the 1982 album). Alan seems to never see any fault with himself and is very good at criticising Francis. If you want something to improve, you've got to do something for it yourself. Alan may have thought of himself as the bandleader, but you've got to deliver to justify the position, which he hadn't done since the Quo album. Mere aggessiveness and pretending you know it all while the others make all the mistakes isn't exactly helpful and it doesn't raise your popularity either. Personally I'm not the least bit surprised Francis had enough of working with Alan, only that it took so long .. And yep, DW was a great accountant - only he didn't understand the musical side beside the business at all. He knew how to make money, but he didn't understand the magic of the band and the music. As the band has put it: The DW years were rewarding financially, but frustrating musically ..
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 2, 2017 13:48:00 GMT
Knowing how close Bob was to the band members I'm very surprised he didn't ask the band members himself about the untrue gossip being said & instead believed those manipulating him and the band. As for David Walker, as far as I'm concerned he did a lot of good for the band, and managed to, in part restore the SQ Bob was doing drugs same as all the others, so he probably wasn't his level-headed self at the time either. And yep Alan did take them too, only he conveniently forgets to mention the fact these days. When John left the band it was made clear that he felt alienated, because the others took drugs while he was drinking heavily and those two different types of taking yourself out just didn't match. He wasn't part of he inner circle anymore and that must've been hard for him. Guess John felt lost and lonely at the time, which made him even moodier than usual. I'm sure if they hadn't all been so out of their heads , things would've taken a different course. No idea which one though, but at least some things would've been talked through .. Alan wrote Your Kind Of Love for Back To Back, one of the worst tracks on BTB. You can't criticise others for the style they wrote in while your own songs are of such a poor quality (and I won't even mention the 1982 album). Alan seems to never see any fault with himself and is very good at criticising Francis. If you want something to improve, you've got to do something for it yourself. Alan may have thought of himself as the bandleader, but you've got to deliver to justify the position, which he hadn't done since the Quo album. Mere aggessiveness and pretending you know it all while the others make all the mistakes isn't exactly helpful and it doesn't raise your popularity either. Personally I'm not the least bit surprised Francis had enough of working with Alan, only that it took so long .. And yep, DW was a great accountant - only he didn't understand the musical side beside the business at all. He knew how to make money, but he didn't understand the magic of the band and the music. As the band has put it: The DW years were rewarding financially, but frustrating musically .. Yes Francis was getting Fed up with Alan as far back as 1969. Though they carried on as they all had the drive to make it work despite the tensions.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 2, 2017 16:35:55 GMT
Alan wrote Your Kind Of Love for Back To Back, one of the worst tracks on BTB. You can't criticise others for the style they wrote in while your own songs are of such a poor quality (and I won't even mention the 1982 album). Alan seems to never see any fault with himself and is very good at criticising Francis. If you want something to improve, you've got to do something for it yourself. Alan may have thought of himself as the bandleader, but you've got to deliver to justify the position, which he hadn't done since the Quo album. Mere aggessiveness and pretending you know it all while the others make all the mistakes isn't exactly helpful and it doesn't raise your popularity either. Personally I'm not the least bit surprised Francis had enough of working with Alan, only that it took so long .. 1+9-+8+2 wasn't a bad album, certainly not one of their best by a very long way, but neither one of their worst either, B2B was overall, at best, an average album, however both of the albums mentioned were pure classics if you compare them to PR & TW. Alan regarded the band as his own, along with Rossi, they both formed it, so he had every right to. Your comments regarding Alan written songs, fair enough in part, but non of them were as bad as some of the tripe yer beloved Rossi inflicted on us, but then again, they werent really Quo songs were they ?! I suppose though if Alan had remained in the band we would have had more songs in the vein of what was on the Life After Quo complation album. Personally I did not like any of them. Francis is a prolific writer and with Rick suffering from a writers block in the 80s/90s. The albums had to have someting on them, so it did mean that albums like PR and TW became a bit unbalanced. Which is a shame beacuse RTYD was so good I still love that album a great mix of songs on that one, its better than 1982 and BTB thats for sure. I will also say ITAN and AC are better than those two but I'm biased towards those two as they were the first two Quo albums I owned after 12 GB 1&2 and I played them to death. Still love them both as they remind me of my childhood.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 3, 2017 11:05:58 GMT
I suppose though if Alan had remained in the band we would have had more songs in the vein of what was on the Life After Quo complation album. Personally I did not like any of them. Francis is a prolific writer and with Rick suffering from a writers block in the 80s/90s. The albums had to have someting on them, so it did mean that albums like PR and TW became a bit unbalanced. Which is a shame beacuse RTYD was so good I still love that album a great mix of songs on that one, its better than 1982 and BTB thats for sure. I will also say ITAN and AC are better than those two but I'm biased towards those two as they were the first two Quo albums I owned after 12 GB 1&2 and I played them to death. Still love them both as they remind me of my childhood. I'd take almost anything off LAQ compared to TW or PR, except maybe 1 or 2 tracks Yeah you are correct (if a little too conservative!) to state PR & TW became unbalanced , listen to Rossi's KOTD album, then listen to PR or TW, all are rubbish, all sound the same IYO .. I can't stand TW and most of PR, but quite like KOTD - and I think all three albums sound very different (and I do like AC). I know though, that there are some people who love TW. Their taste and fine by me, as nobody forces me to listen to it.
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Post by fisherman on Jan 3, 2017 13:18:23 GMT
Alan wrote Your Kind Of Love for Back To Back, one of the worst tracks on BTB. You can't criticise others for the style they wrote in while your own songs are of such a poor quality (and I won't even mention the 1982 album). Alan seems to never see any fault with himself and is very good at criticising Francis. If you want something to improve, you've got to do something for it yourself. Alan may have thought of himself as the bandleader, but you've got to deliver to justify the position, which he hadn't done since the Quo album. Mere aggessiveness and pretending you know it all while the others make all the mistakes isn't exactly helpful and it doesn't raise your popularity either. Personally I'm not the least bit surprised Francis had enough of working with Alan, only that it took so long .. 1+9-+8+2 wasn't a bad album, certainly not one of their best by a very long way, but neither one of their worst either, B2B was overall, at best, an average album, however both of the albums mentioned were pure classics if you compare them to PR & TW. Alan regarded the band as his own, along with Rossi, they both formed it, so he had every right to. Your comments regarding Alan written songs, fair enough in part, but none of them were as bad as some of the tripe yer beloved Rossi inflicted on us, but then again, they werent really Quo songs were they ?! Why can't you just accept, your opinion is not "common sense" as it ain't mine or any others. Meanwhile we all know our point of view regarding Quo-tracks and their writers. You think Francis later stuff is worse than most of Lancaster's stuff, I for example prefer almost all Rossi's tracks to Lancaster's and I explained the resasons why probably a thousand times on this or the original MB then. If anybody does or doesn't like certain songs, the reason is not because he/she is a "Rossilover" or a Lancasterhater, it's just because he/she does or doesn't like the song. So I suppose, you like Parfitt's tracks not only because he just wrote them. Then Ive, it is not necessary to comment others's opinions with belittling remarks ("beloved Rossi, tripe") or particular gremlins like:haha: etc., on the contrary, it's childish. Happy new year by the way.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 3, 2017 16:26:53 GMT
1+9-+8+2 wasn't a bad album, certainly not one of their best by a very long way, but neither one of their worst either, B2B was overall, at best, an average album, however both of the albums mentioned were pure classics if you compare them to PR & TW. Alan regarded the band as his own, along with Rossi, they both formed it, so he had every right to. Your comments regarding Alan written songs, fair enough in part, but none of them were as bad as some of the tripe yer beloved Rossi inflicted on us, but then again, they werent really Quo songs were they ?! Why can't you just accept, your opinion is not "common sense" as it ain't mine or any others. Meanwhile we all know our point of view regarding Quo-tracks and their writers. You think Francis later stuff is worse than most of Lancaster's stuff, I for example prefer almost all Rossi's tracks to Lancaster's and I explained the resasons why probably a thousand times on this or the original MB then. If anybody does or doesn't like certain songs, the reason is not because he/she is a "Rossilover" or a Lancasterhater, it's just because he/she does or doesn't like the song. So I suppose, you like Parfitt's tracks not only because he just wrote them. Then Ive, it is not necessary to comment others's opinions with belittling remarks ("beloved Rossi, tripe") or particular gremlins like:haha: etc., on the contrary, it's childish. Happy new year by the way. This !!
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Post by fisherman on Jan 4, 2017 0:14:35 GMT
Why can't you just accept, your opinion is not "common sense" as it ain't mine or any others. Meanwhile we all know our point of view regarding Quo-tracks and their writers. You think Francis later stuff is worse than most of Lancaster's stuff, I for example prefer almost all Rossi's tracks to Lancaster's and I explained the resasons why probably a thousand times on this or the original MB then. If anybody does or doesn't like certain songs, the reason is not because he/she is a "Rossilover" or a Lancasterhater, it's just because he/she does or doesn't like the song. So I suppose, you like Parfitt's tracks not only because he just wrote them. Then Ive, it is not necessary to comment others's opinions with belittling remarks ("beloved Rossi, tripe") or particular gremlins like:haha: etc., on the contrary, it's childish. Happy new year by the way. And the award for spouting utter rubbish goes too (and liked by the person who will like anything that opposes me or my views , ) sorry to disappoint you, but if I don't like something I will always say so & why, ALL opinions should be allowed surely ?! You are the LAST person to try to preach to me about bias, given your hatred of Lancaster Oh my, Ivey. i didn't know, you need hundreds of repetitions. I don't hate anybody, Lancaster included. As you said, all opinions are allowed of course. So maybe you'll be able to accept this. No need for belittling comments, we all are Status Quo fans, aren't we.
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Post by frozenhero on Jan 4, 2017 12:36:08 GMT
And the award for spouting utter rubbish goes too (and liked by the person who will like anything that opposes me or my views , ) sorry to disappoint you, but if I don't like something I will always say so & why, ALL opinions should be allowed surely ?! You are the LAST person to try to preach to me about bias, given your hatred of Lancaster Oh my, Ivey. i didn't know, you need hundreds of repetitions. I don't hate anybody, Lancaster included. As you said, all opinions are allowed of course. So maybe you'll be able to accept this. No need for belittling comments, we all are Status Quo fans, aren't we. To be fair, you weren't always that diplomatic about your own opinion, but I agree with your comment above. We should be able to accept each others' opinions without being judgemental or insisting on calling somebody else deluded... Mixing fact and opinion is never a good idea.
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Post by smokie on Jan 4, 2017 12:51:21 GMT
Mixing fact and opinion is never a good idea. This has been mentioned before and it appears to be confusing for some (but that's only my opinion )
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Post by fisherman on Jan 4, 2017 16:27:37 GMT
Oh my, Ivey. i didn't know, you need hundreds of repetitions. I don't hate anybody, Lancaster included. As you said, all opinions are allowed of course. So maybe you'll be able to accept this. No need for belittling comments, we all are Status Quo fans, aren't we. Really ?!, then how do you explain YOUR words as follows "Why can't you just accept, your opinion is not "common sense" as it ain't mine or any others" So, my opinions aren't common sense then ?! but I suppose your's are. Most people familiar with your name over the years and through various MB's, know exactly what you think of Alan Lancaster I know my English is lousy, but I think my words are clear: My opinion is not common sense, neither is yours or any others. Everybody have their own opinions and of course everybody can express them. But as far as I can see on this board you are the only one here, who try to riducule opinions, which aren't yours, with belittling remarks and gremlins. And yes, I never made a secret about my opinion of Lancaster. With a few exceptions I don't like Alan Lancaster's songs, mainly because of two reasons: His voice and the - IN MY OPINION - constrained structure. But I do like ILR&R for example. And I feel free appreciating him as a founder-member of Quo and thinking his input is overrated at the same time. So, and now? And I don't like some of his remarks about Quo given in various interviews after his departure. All in all, I am not a big fan of him. So, and now? Sacrilege?, Reason enough for belittling comments? Wouldn't it be better to discuss this in a friendly way for example? Ive, surely I am wrong feeling another little attempt of bullying me like you did with some 4 or 5 certains friends of yours on the other message-board purporting I made jokes about the illness of Alan Lancaster. This is not true and nobody except those 4 or 5 "special" members of the original mb and the other mb were dull enough imputing me with this. On this board thankfully (and hopefully) you don't get the support for this infamous lie. So, Ive, let's see wether we can discuss in an adult and friendly way or not. You sincerely are invited.
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Post by smokie on Jan 4, 2017 17:35:42 GMT
Really ?!, then how do you explain YOUR words as follows "Why can't you just accept, your opinion is not "common sense" as it ain't mine or any others" So, my opinions aren't common sense then ?! but I suppose your's are. Most people familiar with your name over the years and through various MB's, know exactly what you think of Alan Lancaster I know my English is lousy, but I think my words are clear: My opinion is not common sense, neither is yours or any others. Everybody have their own opinions and of course everybody can express them. I agree with everything that you write there. Everything, that is, apart from the first six words. There's NOTHING wrong with your English. I never have any trouble understanding you when I read your posts. I think you write a lot of common sense in that reply. In the piece above and throughout the rest of that reply.
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Post by frozenhero on Jan 4, 2017 19:37:35 GMT
To be fair, you weren't always that diplomatic about your own opinion, but I agree with your comment above. We should be able to accept each others' opinions without being judgemental or insisting on calling somebody else deluded... Mixing fact and opinion is never a good idea. So you have read some of his past posts in the past on various MB's then ?, I will never forget his comments made regarding Alan's illness, neither will I ever forget his comments made about the FF reunion As always, my opinion is somewhere in the middle - which tends to piss everybody off since I don't fall on either 'side'! I see how some of fisherman's posts (that I remember) can be seen as deliberate attempts to wind people up, however on this thread he spoke sense, whereas with you I got the feeling that you tried to construct everything into a personal attack. I don't judge people on whether they like TW or not, but by the way they act towards others...
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