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Post by craydarr on Mar 12, 2020 7:39:30 GMT
In view of the current situation with The Coronavirus, do you think they will continue with meet n greets on Frans and Quo’s tour ?
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Post by mortified on Mar 12, 2020 8:17:28 GMT
Sis has just e-mailed me to say that it started last night but that shaking hands at the meet and greet was off the agenda. Not sure what the plan will be long term. Depends on how this nonsense all pans out. Let's face it, if several hundred of us are all sitting together in the one room for 90 minutes or more, banning handshaking is no more than a token gesture! But, to be fair, your average Quo fan isn't exactly youthful and Francis can be a bit bronchial. Better safe than sorry.
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Post by snakelady on Mar 12, 2020 8:18:53 GMT
With hysteria prevailing at the moment the question rather is - will they continue with the tour at all ?
As far as I'm aware symptoms are the same as a mild case of influenza and just like influenza it merely gets dangerous for those with a damaged immune system.
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Post by mortified on Mar 12, 2020 8:48:00 GMT
With hysteria prevailing at the moment the question rather is - will they continue with the tour at all ? As far as I'm aware symptoms are the same as a mild case of influenza and just like influenza it merely gets dangerous for those with a damaged immune system. We are of the same mind. The flu - the actual flu, which is a coronavirus in itself, as is the common cold - kills thousands every so often. I don't recall a similar sort of panic when that happens. Flu seems to be much more dangerous. So we'll just have to put up with this ridiculous whipping of people up into a frenzy. And live without dried pasta and wipe our collective backsides with newspaper
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Post by snakelady on Mar 12, 2020 11:17:15 GMT
Just saw the numbers for this country for this winter season: 120K infected by the flu, 200 dead so far ..
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Post by mortified on Mar 12, 2020 11:24:12 GMT
Just saw the numbers for this country for this winter season: 120K infected by the flu, 200 dead so far .. Which pretty much proves the point. I can scarcely believe this mad, manic world we seem to be living in now where people believe absolutely everything and anything and then multiply it while social media transmits it to everyone on the planet. Except me and my dad that is. We don't subscribe I had a heavy cold last week. Should I contact the World Health Organisation for advice? Nah, maybe I'll just tell sis and she can put it on Facebook. That should do the trick
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Post by craydarr on Mar 12, 2020 16:53:42 GMT
Sis has just e-mailed me to say that it started last night but that shaking hands at the meet and greet was off the agenda. Not sure what the plan will be long term. Depends on how this nonsense all pans out. Let's face it, if several hundred of us are all sitting together in the one room for 90 minutes or more, banning handshaking is no more than a token gesture! But, to be fair, your average Quo fan isn't exactly youthful and Francis can be a bit bronchial. Better safe than sorry. Does seem a bit strange tho as anything bought at the gig has been touched by people before it’s passed to Fran and he signs it tho. ☹️
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Post by mortified on Mar 13, 2020 5:29:53 GMT
Precisely. Platitudes for the masses. We're in the containment phase apparently, although heading into the delay phase I believe. Can't wait till we're in the let's just get on with it phase. To be fair, I decided to watch what I thought was a half decent report on it on Newsnight last night (having been depressed by the Rangers result, I thought I'd cheer myself up ). One of the main problems is that the medical people on that had conflicting opinions. So it largely depends on which one the government is listening to. Or which one is paid to advise them. But the one thing they did agree on was that this virus is about transmission to the vulnerable. If the healthy test positive, the symptoms are relatively minor. Pretty much the same as any other winter then
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Post by snakelady on Mar 13, 2020 7:18:01 GMT
Precisely. Platitudes for the masses. We're in the containment phase apparently, although heading into the delay phase I believe. Can't wait till we're in the let's just get on with it phase. To be fair, I decided to watch what I thought was a half decent report on it on Newsnight last night (having been depressed by the Rangers result, I thought I'd cheer myself up ). One of the main problems is that the medical people on that had conflicting opinions. So it largely depends on which one the government is listening to. Or which one is paid to advise them. But the one thing they did agree on was that this virus is about transmission to the vulnerable. If the healthy test positive, the symptoms are relatively minor. Pretty much the same as any other winter then This !!
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Post by Simon Julou on Mar 13, 2020 22:05:21 GMT
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Post by mortified on Mar 14, 2020 8:01:57 GMT
I'm not belittling this. Not at all. But I am concerned that there has been a massive - and I mean massive - over-reaction to something that has, in all likelihood, been with us for many years and gone unnoticed as just another winter flu or common cold bug. Giving it a new name creates a situation whereby it is treated differently. Even Dr Campbell himself says that statistics indicate that only about 5% of the people who catch this will become seriously ill. Which effectively means that 95% of those who do get it will either have very mild symptoms or feel pretty $hit for a while. It would be interesting, to say the least, to know how this compares with a flu epidemic. The outbreak of flu after the First World War killed literally tens of millions. This particular coronavirus almost certainly will not. That's not to say it isn't serious, particularly to those most at risk - i.e. the elderly and those with compromised immune systems or respiratory issues. But that would apply to almost any coronavirus. We are treating this one differently. I don't actually understand why. How many of us catch something after we've taken a flight? I used to get a rotten cold almost every time I flew. And I've caught some belters from train journeys and been ill for weeks. My own personal view is that, nasty and well travelled as this virus can obviously be, we have lost all sense of perspective because of apocalyptic style reporting resulting in a very bizarre collective panic. These are just personal views based on analysing what I'm reading and hearing. If I catch it and end up croaking, it'll serve me right for being incredibly cynical about the whole thing. But I get the impression that large swathes of the world are about to suffer economic meltdown because of another and previously unrecognised version of the common cold. Incidentally, I had a shocker of a cold the week before last. All coughing and aching legs for a few days. So maybe I've had it, who knows? Which is sort of my whole point. There is also an interesting and quite sobering article on the BBC News app (Scotland) about a man who travelled round northern Italy last month before taking in the Italy-v-Scotland rugby match. He's in his 50's and he came back with the virus. He describes his experience on his return. By coincidence, BBC Scotland were filming a documentary with him at the time. They're all still here. With apologies for the admittedly sceptical rambling Dr Wilhelm Schmidt III
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Post by Simon Julou on Mar 14, 2020 10:33:59 GMT
Problem is I live in Guernsey (Channel Islands). Population 63,000. One hospital. I'm guessing (at best) we have appox 30 ventilators (Jersey has 29 and its a bigger island).
I live in a small house (one bathroom) with my 74 year old dad. If I get it my Dad gets it (and vice-versa).
If my Dad gets it and he goes on to get bilateral pneumonia (a risk at his age) he won't get treatment.
Over 65s have been told over here to start social distancing (no matter how they feel).
I'm taking every step I can to prevent either of us getting this virus.
Stay safe people.
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Post by mortified on Mar 14, 2020 14:14:22 GMT
This is the sort of thing I was getting at. The repercussions such as a shortage of beds and/or medical staff caused by unnecessary panic exacerbates the situation. We all get colds and flu and, when we do, we stay away from elderly relatives etc. It's always a given. I did it with my dad the other week without even a second thought about Covid-19. But people being tested positive, even with the mildest of symptoms, are being whisked off to isolation units and watched and tested round the clock. It is a complete waste of resources and takes them away from those that will actually need that sort of attention. The vast majority of us will shake this virus off and barely notice it. You will no doubt have cottoned on that this coronavirus is having pretty much no effect on children. They don't get the flu either. It's purely an adult phenomenon. I'm probably an old cynic (well, I freely admit I am ) but the pandemic is not the virus itself, it's the panic caused by the thought of the virus.
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Post by Simon Julou on Mar 14, 2020 14:24:29 GMT
Sorry Mortified I just can't agree with "shortage of beds and/or medical staff caused by unnecessary panic".
Doctors are not putting people in beds or on ventalators because of panic (watch the videos from Italy).
But that's just my opinion.
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Post by mortified on Mar 14, 2020 14:41:45 GMT
Sorry Mortified I just can't agree with "shortage of beds and/or medical staff caused by unnecessary panic". Doctors are not putting people in beds or on ventalators because of panic (watch the videos from Italy). But that's just my opinion. Fair enough, mate We'll agree to disagree. I'm pretty sure images, just like newsfeeds and information, can be selective. Then again, maybe it's me underestimating this 'outbreak'. My brother-in-law has COPD so he'd be a candidate for feeling the worst of this and even becoming a casualty. And Mrs Mortified is asthmatic (so she tells me ). However, she's also sick and tired of me banging on about this. Can't say I blame her But whatever we think, let's both stay healthy
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Post by mortified on Mar 14, 2020 14:44:49 GMT
Incidentally, the update on the Quo website says that the tour is continuing, although they are monitoring government advice as they go along. But given the recent escalation, I suspect it will become a casualty like everything else. Anyone want two spare tickets to Venice in September?
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Post by snakelady on Mar 15, 2020 9:03:49 GMT
Incidentally, the update on the Quo website says that the tour is continuing, although they are monitoring government advice as they go along. But given the recent escalation, I suspect it will become a casualty like everything else. Anyone want two spare tickets to Venice in September? The antibody for this virus has been discovered, so if you're lucky that'll be available in autumn (although they'd have to be really quick with testing ..). On the other hand, considering how contagious the virus is, this outbreak might well be history come September. And yep, I too doubt that the tour will go ahead. After all they are gatherings of 250+ people ..
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Post by mortified on Mar 15, 2020 9:15:11 GMT
Incidentally, the update on the Quo website says that the tour is continuing, although they are monitoring government advice as they go along. But given the recent escalation, I suspect it will become a casualty like everything else. Anyone want two spare tickets to Venice in September? The antibody for this virus has been discovered, so if you're lucky that'll be available in autumn (although they'd have to be really quick with testing ..). On the other hand, considering how contagious the virus is, this outbreak might well be history come September. And yep, I too doubt that the tour will go ahead. After all they are gatherings of 250+ people .. I think an antidote is fast going to become academic. China has already seen a huge downturn in new cases and Europe and elsewhere will no doubt follow suit before the summer. The problem as I see it isn't particularly medical, it's economic. Several airlines are likely to go to the wall (one already has in the UK although it was probably going under anyway) and I don't how many establishments that rely on tourism will survive. After this is all over with, I will await with interest the documentary in a year's time about the psychology behind mass panic and the science of flocking. Lessons need to be learned here. Although I'm beginning to think I'm the only person on the planet that thinks that. Anyone else who does isn't getting a voice or they're keeping a low profile.
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Post by mortified on Mar 15, 2020 10:44:13 GMT
And, to my horror, I've just read that a health chief has hinted that routine tests such as blood pressure and smear tests may have to be put back for a few months. The SMEAR TEST? If anyone even begins to suggest to me that a positive smear test is less serious than a positive Covid-19 test, then it confirms to me that the world has officially gone collectively insane. Especially when such a suggestion comes from the top of the health service! I despair
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Post by Simon Julou on Mar 15, 2020 15:46:52 GMT
A couple of thoughts from me today on this (my views, I'm not an expert, I'm not arguing with anyone).
1) I believe the reason the cases in China have dropped is because of the restrictive measures they are taking. I believe if these measures were relaxed the number of cases would rise (sharply) again. We need to think of this virus as a fire - stop fighting it and it will spread uncontrollably.
2) I have read today (sorry can't find a link to the article) that the coronavirus tests are only 90% accurate. Think about that, out of every 10 positive people tested only 9 are accurately reported as positive. I'm guessing (hoping) they are doing repeated tests on people just to be sure.
3) For us (the planet) to beat this virus with the minimum of fatalities we need everyone to get on board and do their part. All our daily lives are going to be impacted, but think of what's at cost here.
4) If this virus really hits hard (to a lot of people at the same time) they won't just be limiting blood pressure and smear tests they will be limiting who gets life saving treating. Doctors will be having to choose who lives and who dies (as they have already been doing in other countries).
Like I say not arguing with anyone, just my views.
I actually find it helpful to "vent" on here every now and then!
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Post by mortified on Mar 16, 2020 6:20:55 GMT
All opinions are valid and all are welcome, Simon Julou I appreciate mine are out of alignment with the rest of the planet - or it certainly feels like that - but, like I say, if I'm completely wrong (not unheard of ) it'll serve me right if it comes back and bites me on the backside. Or, more likely, the left lung Stay safe wherever you are, people.
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Post by viking55 on Mar 16, 2020 21:45:29 GMT
I just wonder how today’s media would have coped reporting the 1918 Flu epidemic. Imagine the mass worldwide frenzy we would currently be in. Today we are told not to go to the pub for fear of people dying but it’s ok to go to work in factories and offices with exactly, if not more, of the same risks! The world has to go on.... business and economies rely on it...pension funds etc......not to mention people’s sanity eventually ! the whole chabang ! I wonder the choice that lies ahead of our worlds leaders. up to 95 % of the Worlds population starving to death as all Global economies collapse or a maximum of 5% Through 🦠 I do understand they are hanging on for the Cure though.
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 25, 2020 10:14:55 GMT
But the one thing they did agree on was that this virus is about transmission to the vulnerable. If the healthy test positive, the symptoms are relatively minor. I read things about healthy 40-somethings having multiple organ failure... this is something different... Looking back, I think a lot of people (especially those who have lost loved ones) will point out that if we had all reacted quicker, the damage could've been a lot smaller.
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Post by mortified on Mar 25, 2020 10:41:44 GMT
I no longer know what to think. I don't know how it's transmitted; I don't know how I or anyone else is going to pay their bills in a month or two's time; I don't know anyone that's tested positive (yet); I don't know what the rising, negative stats we get day on day actually mean because there is no comparative model on which to reach a conclusion; but worst of all, I haven't a clue how to cancel BT Sports One of life's great mysteries. A mystery that is costing me a monthly sum that I can now ill afford and which is for absolutely nothing because there is no sport on. You can't do it online, you can only do it over the phone. Can you get through? Can you fvck. And because it's linked to my broadband service I can't just cancel the bank order. Bandits
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 25, 2020 16:59:18 GMT
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you got a refund soon... you can't be the only one with that problem
I've kept distance to people (which is a rule here now) and not touched anything unnecessary (e.g. opening doors with elbows and the like). So far it's worked for me...
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