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Post by craydarr on Nov 11, 2019 19:22:42 GMT
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Post by snakelady on Nov 12, 2019 8:40:37 GMT
Nothing new really, just showing what he is - a reflective guy.
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Post by mortified on Nov 12, 2019 8:51:41 GMT
Candid as always. And I STILL haven't read the book! Just like there are two sides to Francis, neither of which he wants to be in control, I find myself thinking similarly. I 100% agree with his scepticism and criticism of certain aspects of the music business. But I also like my rock stars to be a bit rebellious and to act like dick'eads. That's half the point to me and why we have heroes in our teens in the first place. The image often has to accompany the music or it simply doesn't work. If AC/DC in 1975 when I first saw them turned out to be born again Christians would I have liked them as much? I very much doubt it. Or that's how it was anyway. It's maybe different now. Or is it that we just grow up? Nice interview
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Post by craydarr on Nov 12, 2019 11:34:44 GMT
Although I do get bored of listening to the same things in interviews I do like the way he is very honest in his answers. I know some people don’t like (his perception) the truth, but I applaud him for being honest.
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Post by mortified on Nov 12, 2019 14:22:27 GMT
Although I do get bored of listening to the same things in interviews I do like the way he is very honest in his answers. I know some people don’t like (his perception) the truth, but I applaud him for being honest.Me too but he does it so much that it becomes almost permanent self-deprecation. But, to be fair to him, if he slags someone off (which he often does) he is never slow at also turning on himself. So, basically, he doesn't have a good word to say about anyone - not even him One of the most pertinent things he said was about Live Aid. That he remembers Bowie and Queen and pretty much no one else. Which almost sums up the whole event for everyone! Apart from these two and Quo, because they opened, and maybe U2 - maybe - everyone else has been more or less forgotten.
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Post by snakelady on Nov 13, 2019 7:48:02 GMT
Although I do get bored of listening to the same things in interviews I do like the way he is very honest in his answers. I know some people don’t like (his perception) the truth, but I applaud him for being honest.Me too but he does it so much that it becomes almost permanent self-deprecation. But, to be fair to him, if he slags someone off (which he often does) he is never slow at also turning on himself. So, basically, he doesn't have a good word to say about anyone - not even him One of the most pertinent things he said was about Live Aid. That he remembers Bowie and Queen and pretty much no one else. Which almost sums up the whole event for everyone! Apart from these two and Quo, because they opened, and maybe U2 - maybe - everyone else has been more or less forgotten. I don'r remember U2, but I do remember the Thompson Twins I can fully understand why Francis never talks positively about himself or at least with restrictions. He just wouldn't feel comfortable about it. While he may call himself show-off on stage he'd avoid to be seen as one off stage no matter what. I assume he believes he was different once but he matured .. This thing about image back in the 70s and would I've become a fan if they had looked differently - tame - and worn suits say got me thinking. I know, I was much more image-conscious back then - I guess all teenagers are. But I became a fan because of that first gig I went to. Yes, I loved Francis' long silky hair, but it was the overall show and mainly the music that grabbed me. Clothes or haircut wouldn't have made a difference, I'm sure. It was his charisma that made me take note of the guy and I knew straight away he was intelligent (something that is important for me and that I usually can tell, although I'm aware this sentence won't make sense to most of you). It was only afterwards, when I saw pictures of the band in youth magazines, that I noticed what they were wearing and the whole image thing. And I couldn't care less - I had fallen in love with the music and the fantastic show they put on.
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Post by mortified on Nov 13, 2019 8:02:37 GMT
Me too but he does it so much that it becomes almost permanent self-deprecation. But, to be fair to him, if he slags someone off (which he often does) he is never slow at also turning on himself. So, basically, he doesn't have a good word to say about anyone - not even him One of the most pertinent things he said was about Live Aid. That he remembers Bowie and Queen and pretty much no one else. Which almost sums up the whole event for everyone! Apart from these two and Quo, because they opened, and maybe U2 - maybe - everyone else has been more or less forgotten. I don'r remember U2, but I do remember the Thompson Twins I can fully understand why Francis never talks positively about himself or at least with . He just wouldn't feel comfortable about it. While he may call himself show-off on stage he'd avoid to be seen as one off stage no matter what. I assume he believes he was different once but he matured .. This thing about image back in the 70s and would I've become a fan if they had looked differently - tame - and worn suits say got me thinking. I know, I was much more image-conscious back then - I guess all teenagers are. But I became a fan because of that first gig I went to. Yes, I loved Francis' long silky hair, but it was the overall show and mainly the music that grabbed me. Clothes or haircut wouldn't have made a difference, I'm sure. It was his charisma that made me take note of the guy and I knew straight away he was intelligent (something that is important for me and that I usually can tell, although I'm aware this sentence won't make sense to most of you). It was only afterwards, when I saw pictures of the band in youth magazines, that I noticed what they were wearing and the whole image thing. And I couldn't care less - I had fallen in love with the music and the fantastic show they put on. I used to really like Thompson Twins and still have all of their albums on mp3. Even the later ones from the late 80's and 90's. But I don't remember them performing at Live Aid. Did they do the American event? We missed much of that in the UK and only went over there (Philadelphia?) at about midnight after ours was over. Image consciousness is important when you're young. Actually, I'm not sure it really leaves us as we age. We all like to look good. It's just the actual image that changes. I guess, for me, it really all started with the cover of Piledriver. That was what I wanted to be so I tried to mimic it at every opportunity. Once out of school, the denim went on and the hair just got longer and longer It's still a fantastic image but it obviously wouldn't work on me now. I think that's why I detest the cover of Don't Stop so much. It was everything I DIDN'T want my favourite band to be. It tested me that one! Vanity, vanity, all is vanity
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Post by snakelady on Nov 13, 2019 8:14:44 GMT
I don'r remember U2, but I do remember the Thompson Twins I can fully understand why Francis never talks positively about himself or at least with . He just wouldn't feel comfortable about it. While he may call himself show-off on stage he'd avoid to be seen as one off stage no matter what. I assume he believes he was different once but he matured .. This thing about image back in the 70s and would I've become a fan if they had looked differently - tame - and worn suits say got me thinking. I know, I was much more image-conscious back then - I guess all teenagers are. But I became a fan because of that first gig I went to. Yes, I loved Francis' long silky hair, but it was the overall show and mainly the music that grabbed me. Clothes or haircut wouldn't have made a difference, I'm sure. It was his charisma that made me take note of the guy and I knew straight away he was intelligent (something that is important for me and that I usually can tell, although I'm aware this sentence won't make sense to most of you). It was only afterwards, when I saw pictures of the band in youth magazines, that I noticed what they were wearing and the whole image thing. And I couldn't care less - I had fallen in love with the music and the fantastic show they put on. I used to really like Thompson Twins and still have all of their albums on mp3. Even the later ones from the late 80's and 90's. But I don't remember them performing at Live Aid. Did they do the American event? We missed much of that in the UK and only went over there (Philadelphia?) at about midnight after ours was over. Image consciousness is important when you're young. Actually, I'm not sure it really leaves us as we age. We all like to look good. It's just the actual image that changes. I guess, for me, it really all started with the cover of Piledriver. That was what I wanted to be so I tried to mimic it at every opportunity. Once out of school, the denim went on and the hair just got longer and longer It's still a fantastic image but it obviously wouldn't work on me now. I think that's why I detest the cover of Don't Stop so much. It was everything I DIDN'T want my favourite band to be. It tested me that one! Vanity, vanity, all is vanity I actually think this type of image thing is more of a boys problem. Yes, us girls tried to look good as well and jeans had to be Wranglers or Lewis - but that peer pressure boys have, girls don't have. And they don't identify with the band the same way either - like your trying to look like them. It helped to have a girly crash for one of the band members - in this case Francis or Rick, no one was ever into Alan or John .. No girl wanted to look like say Suzie Quatro either. It's just not what we do. And we never had school uniforms. It were t-shirts and jeans for all of us and some of the boys had long hair as well.
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Post by mortified on Nov 13, 2019 9:15:35 GMT
I certainly didn't have a crush on any of the band members. That sort of thing didn't really come along till I saw and heard Kim Wilde But, yeah, it maybe is a male thing. Wanting to look like your idol(s). It's not really peer pressure I don't think. Or wasn't for me. But remember that photo someone on here put up of the Quo crowd (and himself) in Blackpool way back in the 80's? It was predominantly male and the vast majority had long hair, t-shirts and denim. That was the metal/rock look in the UK (maybe everywhere to be fair) and you just sort of fell into it - like any fashion I suppose. By the time the 80's came round, I only ever dressed like that at a gig. I was much, eh, trendier than that if I was out with office colleagues. I had women to try and impress and a t-shirt and denim wasn't going to cut it. Not in the centre of Edinburgh. Besides, big burly doormen wouldn't let me in places looking like that anyway! Vanity, vanity etc. etc.
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