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Post by craydarr on Aug 18, 2019 7:33:00 GMT
I haven’t seen either of the dvds in a long while and even then I’d was probably on in the background so I probably wasn’t paying attention to the interaction . I will have to go back and look at them again to compare. Is it really that noticeable, did u spot it even before reading the book? Yep, I noticed straight away nearly and it took away my enjoyment of the Dublin gig. There was a 'coldness' on that stage that I had never experienced at a Quo gig before. Maybe because it was a first was why it stood out for me. Maybe it's just me though .. ? Just backs up what Fran says in the book then. Do you think it was just between Fran and Alan then ?
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Post by snakelady on Aug 18, 2019 7:52:58 GMT
Yep, I noticed straight away nearly and it took away my enjoyment of the Dublin gig. There was a 'coldness' on that stage that I had never experienced at a Quo gig before. Maybe because it was a first was why it stood out for me. Maybe it's just me though .. ? Just backs up what Fran says in the book then. Do you think it was just between Fran and Alan then ? Haven't watched it in a long time for that reason, but as far as I can remember, nobody talks or laughs or interacts in a friendly way with anybody else. In comparison the End Of The Road vid has a much more friendly feel about it (although that could've been down to the drugs ..). But as I've said before - maybe they're just too busy concentrating on the job and I'm imagining things ..
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 18, 2019 21:49:31 GMT
Just backs up what Fran says in the book then. Do you think it was just between Fran and Alan then ? Haven't watched it in a long time for that reason, but as far as I can remember, nobody talks or laughs or interacts in a friendly way with anybody else. In comparison the End Of The Road vid has a much more friendly feel about it (although that could've been down to the drugs ..). But as I've said before - maybe they're just too busy concentrating on the job and I'm imagining things .. They've all said that during the EOTR tour they put on a false front, everything down to the guitar swinging and the usual stances were just an act. In interviews it is very obvious something wasn't right with the band. There's an interview, can't remember which one but it's possibly prior to the Glasgow gigs on that tour, where Rick replies yes to a question he was asked in regards to people in the band getting on each others nerves... Rossi quickly responds no, whilst Alan starts nudging Rick with his leg. There's also another interview where Rick gets quite pee'd off with Alan answering every question. You can definitely tell Rossi wasn't fully into the 2nd reunion tour in regards to his onstage attitude and separating himself from the band before and after gigs on tour busses and what not. And... I'll just say that everything in the book isn't 100% true. Things get embellished to make the stories more interesting and to sell more copies of the book. There definitely weren't 62,000 people at the MK Bowl, I'd say there was around 45 to 50 thousand.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 19, 2019 6:14:58 GMT
Haven't watched it in a long time for that reason, but as far as I can remember, nobody talks or laughs or interacts in a friendly way with anybody else. In comparison the End Of The Road vid has a much more friendly feel about it (although that could've been down to the drugs ..). But as I've said before - maybe they're just too busy concentrating on the job and I'm imagining things .. They've all said that during the EOTR tour they put on a false front, everything down to the guitar swinging and the usual stances were just an act. In interviews it is very obvious something wasn't right with the band. There's an interview, can't remember which one but it's possibly prior to the Glasgow gigs on that tour, where Rick replies yes to a question he was asked in regards to people in the band getting on each others nerves... Rossi quickly responds no, whilst Alan starts nudging Rick with his leg. There's also another interview where Rick gets quite pee'd off with Alan answering every question. You can definitely tell Rossi wasn't fully into the 2nd reunion tour in regards to his onstage attitude and separating himself from the band before and after gigs on tour busses and what not.And... I'll just say that everything in the book isn't 100% true. Things get embellished to make the stories more interesting and to sell more copies of the book. There definitely weren't 62,000 people at the MK Bowl, I'd say there was around 45 to 50 thousand. The onstage attitude I saw was he tried to be friendly to Alan and tried to help - and was told off for it, same as Rick. So he kept to himself, again same as Rick. And he kept to himself before the gig because he has his set routine he needs for the gig to work. I doubt it was any different to the previous FF tour - or any other Quo tour. In his book he explains that as a clean alcoholic he had to distance himself from the partying because even when clean, you've got to avoid alcohol for the rest of your life. I can understand his attitude to not want to endanger everything he has achieved and respect him for it. You can't party with others when it includes getting drunk asap while you want and have to stay sober. Why is it great to get drunk and you get criticised when you don't take part ?? Generally speaking, why is partying every night considered better anyway ? They aren't in their 20s anymore (doesn't mean I consider it a good thing when you're young), they're professional musicians and it's their job to be their best on stage every night. I doubt any of us goes out partying every night and then goes to work the next day. We know it wouldn't work so we don't do it. Francis was fully into the 2nd reunion tour. It was his idea. The perfectionist in him wanted to prove something - that the band could be far better than during the first tour. I know it's not a popular view, but I blame Alan for it to go wrong with his bossy rock star attitude towards everybody - the way he treated the crew and the other band members. But as he felt he was back in his rightful place and expected it to continue and the fans wanted more of it too, Francis has to be the villain and party pooper once again because he didn't comply. In the end the difference between Rick and Francis was, that Rick loved the tour for the adulation of the fans and the partying like back in the days (which I doubt was good for him !) and Francis saw the problems, didn't need the confrontation and wasn't prepared to fold the modern line-up. All IMVHO.
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Post by mortified on Aug 19, 2019 7:24:53 GMT
Haven't watched it in a long time for that reason, but as far as I can remember, nobody talks or laughs or interacts in a friendly way with anybody else. In comparison the End Of The Road vid has a much more friendly feel about it (although that could've been down to the drugs ..). But as I've said before - maybe they're just too busy concentrating on the job and I'm imagining things .. They've all said that during the EOTR tour they put on a false front, everything down to the guitar swinging and the usual stances were just an act. In interviews it is very obvious something wasn't right with the band. There's an interview, can't remember which one but it's possibly prior to the Glasgow gigs on that tour, where Rick replies yes to a question he was asked in regards to people in the band getting on each others nerves... Rossi quickly responds no, whilst Alan starts nudging Rick with his leg. There's also another interview where Rick gets quite pee'd off with Alan answering every question. You can definitely tell Rossi wasn't fully into the 2nd reunion tour in regards to his onstage attitude and separating himself from the band before and after gigs on tour busses and what not. And... I'll just say that everything in the book isn't 100% true. Things get embellished to make the stories more interesting and to sell more copies of the book. There definitely weren't 62,000 people at the MK Bowl, I'd say there was around 45 to 50 thousand. No, there weren't. I think 62,000 was the capacity. I saw Bowie there the year before and that was approximately the size of the crowd. As far as I recall, the official attendance for Quo at Milton Keynes was 42,000 but I dare say that's no more accurate than any other report. But it was a healthy enough turn out
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Post by mortified on Aug 19, 2019 7:44:05 GMT
They've all said that during the EOTR tour they put on a false front, everything down to the guitar swinging and the usual stances were just an act. In interviews it is very obvious something wasn't right with the band. There's an interview, can't remember which one but it's possibly prior to the Glasgow gigs on that tour, where Rick replies yes to a question he was asked in regards to people in the band getting on each others nerves... Rossi quickly responds no, whilst Alan starts nudging Rick with his leg. There's also another interview where Rick gets quite pee'd off with Alan answering every question. You can definitely tell Rossi wasn't fully into the 2nd reunion tour in regards to his onstage attitude and separating himself from the band before and after gigs on tour busses and what not.And... I'll just say that everything in the book isn't 100% true. Things get embellished to make the stories more interesting and to sell more copies of the book. There definitely weren't 62,000 people at the MK Bowl, I'd say there was around 45 to 50 thousand. Generally speaking, why is partying every night considered better anyway ? They aren't in their 20s anymore (doesn't mean I consider it a good thing when you're young), they're professional musicians and it's their job to be their best on stage every night. I doubt any of us goes out partying every night and then goes to work the next day. We know it wouldn't work so we don't do it. I think it must be quite difficult to put yourself in that position if you're not used to it. The successful rock musician's lifestyle is entirely different. Or it certainly was in the 60's, 70's and 80's. And very probably beyond. I have no experience of it but there was once (2010) when Ali and I went to see the band at the Dorchester Hotel in London for some award ceremony or other. The place was full of celebrities and we fans - about a dozen of us - had our own table. I thoroughly enjoyed myself but the drinking - free drinking I hasten to add - began with a champagne reception at 11am before the meal and the main event. The whole thing finished around 5pm I think but everything took place in a function suite where there were no windows. Day turned into night and it was odd coming out into the daylight. I found it bizarre. But strangely good fun We treated it like part of the honeymoon because we'd only been married about a fortnight before. We left after the band's performance (a medley of the usual hits) but many stayed behind to 'mingle' so you can imagine the drinking going on for 12 hours easy without even thinking about it. The point I'm trying to make is that it is easy to find yourself living in a sort of twilight world when you're not actually performing and many musicians must have faced that their entire career. On the day, Francis didn't drink and he didn't mingle. He wasn't even at the champagne reception. But all other band members and their spouses were. Incidentally, Bill Wyman was dragged off by his wife before the reception had even finished. He was a little worse for wear which sort of proves my point. Partying every night isn't good for you; that's a no brainer that you realise when you get older. But I think it's easy to fall into it in that sort of world. And only the very strong and single minded come out of it unscathed.
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 19, 2019 20:53:27 GMT
They've all said that during the EOTR tour they put on a false front, everything down to the guitar swinging and the usual stances were just an act. In interviews it is very obvious something wasn't right with the band. There's an interview, can't remember which one but it's possibly prior to the Glasgow gigs on that tour, where Rick replies yes to a question he was asked in regards to people in the band getting on each others nerves... Rossi quickly responds no, whilst Alan starts nudging Rick with his leg. There's also another interview where Rick gets quite pee'd off with Alan answering every question. You can definitely tell Rossi wasn't fully into the 2nd reunion tour in regards to his onstage attitude and separating himself from the band before and after gigs on tour busses and what not.And... I'll just say that everything in the book isn't 100% true. Things get embellished to make the stories more interesting and to sell more copies of the book. There definitely weren't 62,000 people at the MK Bowl, I'd say there was around 45 to 50 thousand. The onstage attitude I saw was he tried to be friendly to Alan and tried to help - and was told off for it, same as Rick. So he kept to himself, again same as Rick. And he kept to himself before the gig because he has his set routine he needs for the gig to work. I doubt it was any different to the previous FF tour - or any other Quo tour. In his book he explains that as a clean alcoholic he had to distance himself from the partying because even when clean, you've got to avoid alcohol for the rest of your life. I can understand his attitude to not want to endanger everything he has achieved and respect him for it. You can't party with others when it includes getting drunk asap while you want and have to stay sober. Why is it great to get drunk and you get criticised when you don't take part ?? Generally speaking, why is partying every night considered better anyway ? They aren't in their 20s anymore (doesn't mean I consider it a good thing when you're young), they're professional musicians and it's their job to be their best on stage every night. I doubt any of us goes out partying every night and then goes to work the next day. We know it wouldn't work so we don't do it. Francis was fully into the 2nd reunion tour. It was his idea. The perfectionist in him wanted to prove something - that the band could be far better than during the first tour. I know it's not a popular view, but I blame Alan for it to go wrong with his bossy rock star attitude towards everybody - the way he treated the crew and the other band members. But as he felt he was back in his rightful place and expected it to continue and the fans wanted more of it too, Francis has to be the villain and party pooper once again because he didn't comply. In the end the difference between Rick and Francis was, that Rick loved the tour for the adulation of the fans and the partying like back in the days (which I doubt was good for him !) and Francis saw the problems, didn't need the confrontation and wasn't prepared to fold the modern line-up. All IMVHO. I completely understand why Rossi didn't want to join in with the partying, as it would've brought back old habits like it did with Rick... however his never fully left him. After reading Rossi's book it seems he still has somewhat of an underlying love for coke. Now, I'm not saying that he is using it or anything like that, but the way he goes on at one point about it, it comes across very odd. I'll have to find the exact quote. Not criticising Rossi at all. In regards to Alan, I understand his behaviour in a sense because of the way he is and where he grew up... he doesn't want to be seen as that he can't do anything himself and isn't willing to be seen as weak, no matter how much his illness is weighing over him. Cheers
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Post by whoaskedyou on Aug 19, 2019 21:40:08 GMT
I was at Wembley on the Sunday in 2013. I had the best day in many a year on the Friday before at Hammersmith and in the distillers pub beforehand. Nothing compares to that day. Wembley was still good but not the same crowd and lots of folk around me who did not recognise the tracks and were expecting the hits..those around you at a gig can really make a difference. Would imagine Dublin was better than Wembley. I left Wembley slightly down due to the heights of Hammersmith..funny old game.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 20, 2019 6:58:51 GMT
I was at Wembley on the Sunday in 2013. I had the best day in many a year on the Friday before at Hammersmith and in the distillers pub beforehand. Nothing compares to that day. Wembley was still good but not the same crowd and lots of folk around me who did not recognise the tracks and were expecting the hits..those around you at a gig can really make a difference. Would imagine Dublin was better than Wembley. I left Wembley slightly down due to the heights of Hammersmith..funny old game. I absolutely agree If the audience is great and going for it, it can turn an average gig into a memorable one - and if you're surrounded by statues who get annoyed when you as much as dare to touch them, it can take away all the fun. I doubt there was much difference between Hammersmith and Wembley concerning the band performance, but when all the people around you do is complain about the set, it can get on your nerves .. This attitude doesn't bode too well for major set changes, as that's what it was for them - a drastic set change without the hits (doubt they even noticed the change in personnel). Exactly one of the reasons that made it so attractive for us.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 24, 2019 5:31:29 GMT
Not a lot of voters in this one. If you don't own these two recordings specifically, simply consider it a vote about whether you prefer FF '13 or FF '14 (set, playing, band ..).
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 24, 2019 8:15:59 GMT
Thanks for reminding me. I posted but didn't vote! Anyway, as I tend to listen to CDs more often than watch DVDs, the musical quality is what clearly swings this one.
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 25, 2019 19:28:14 GMT
I'd have like if theyd have changed the lighting rig on the 2nd tour. Would've been good to see the Quo sign they used in '81
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Post by snakelady on Aug 26, 2019 7:18:47 GMT
I'd have like if they'd have changed the lighting rig on the 2nd tour. Would've been good to see the Quo sign they used in '81 Saw them during the tour, but can't say it left an impression .. What I loved about the lighting back then were all the various coloured lights in addition to the fog. (I know, not healthy, very hot or whatever, but it looked great !) Something at least imitating that would've been great ! Imagine that - the stage hidden in thick fog at the start and then the four silhouettes emerging ..
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Post by mortified on Aug 26, 2019 7:35:16 GMT
I'd have like if they'd have changed the lighting rig on the 2nd tour. Would've been good to see the Quo sign they used in '81 Saw them during the tour, but can't say it left an impression .. What I loved about the lighting back then were all the various coloured lights in addition to the fog. (I know, not healthy, very hot or whatever, but it looked great !) Something at least imitating that would've been great ! Imagine that - the stage hidden in thick fog at the start and then the four silhouettes emerging .. Like ghostly apparitions of infirm old men in Dickensian London The lighting is something I never really notice. Occasionally, like in 1979 with the square coloured lights a la disco dance floor.
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Post by snakelady on Sept 4, 2019 6:48:24 GMT
Come on guys, get your votes in. This'll soon be moved to the Past Cups as from Friday on all everybody will be thinking of will be the new album anyway.
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Post by kursaal75 on Sept 4, 2019 6:53:36 GMT
I've voted Boss
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Post by snakelady on Sept 6, 2019 6:19:55 GMT
I've voted Boss I know .. I'll tell you a secret .. .. we can see who has voted - and who not
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Post by tramper on Sept 6, 2019 7:08:48 GMT
Saw them during the tour, but can't say it left an impression .. What I loved about the lighting back then were all the various coloured lights in addition to the fog. (I know, not healthy, very hot or whatever, but it looked great !) Something at least imitating that would've been great ! Imagine that - the stage hidden in thick fog at the start and then the four silhouettes emerging .. Like ghostly apparitions of infirm old men in Dickensian London The lighting is something I never really notice. Occasionally, like in 1979 with the square coloured lights a la disco dance floor. weren't they huge mirrors hung from the roof ?
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Post by mortified on Sept 6, 2019 7:13:08 GMT
Like ghostly apparitions of infirm old men in Dickensian London The lighting is something I never really notice. Occasionally, like in 1979 with the square coloured lights a la disco dance floor. weren't they huge mirrors hung from the roof ? Could have been. It's a VERY distant memory. And with so little footage of Quo gigs from those heady days available, we'll just have to rely on those, eh, faded memories
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Post by tramper on Sept 6, 2019 7:57:16 GMT
weren't they huge mirrors hung from the roof ? Could have been. It's a VERY distant memory. And with so little footage of Quo gigs from those heady days available, we'll just have to rely on those, eh, faded memories I guess so.. 👍😂🤣 I have some photos from the Sheffield city hall gig I was at in 79. They were mirrors !! 🤔🙄
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Sept 19, 2019 10:01:23 GMT
Had to put both, but I didn't have as much of a boner second time.
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Post by mortified on Sept 19, 2019 12:37:00 GMT
Had to put both, but I didn't have as much of a boner second time. Glad I wasn't standing in front of you in 2013
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