|
|
Post by snakelady on Jul 30, 2019 8:01:59 GMT
Just two more head to head polls. Time to compare the FF recordings.
Do we prefer the first tour with all its mistakes or the second with its slightly changed set ?
|
|
|
|
Post by snakelady on Jul 30, 2019 8:06:50 GMT
It's the 2013 gig for me. I don't hear the mistakes anyway and while the second set was better, the love that was on the stage during the first tour was gone during the second. Strange criteria when it comes to music, I know, but in this case it was important for me ..
|
|
Dark
High Flyer
Posts: 128
|
Post by Dark on Jul 30, 2019 9:27:14 GMT
Been a while since I watched either DVD, would have to go back and do so to say whether I preferred one or the other. I still think they missed a trick by not filming Hammersmith, particularly on the first tour, I went to one of those nights and the atmosphere was electric.
As for listening, I have the Glasgow gig I was at on the 2013 tour on my MP3 player and listen to it a lot, is immense. There are a couple of real clangers, but they don’t get in the way of a great listen for me.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 9:47:11 GMT
Been a while since I watched either DVD, would have to go back and do so to say whether I preferred one or the other. I still think they missed a trick by not filming Hammersmith, particularly on the first tour, I went to one of those nights and the atmosphere was electric. As for listening, I have the Glasgow gig I was at on the 2013 tour on my MP3 player and listen to it a lot, is immense. There are a couple of real clangers, but they don’t get in the way of a great listen for me. Totally agree. I did 2 gigs there in 2013 and same again in 2014. I wasn't at Wembley or Dublin but find it hard to believe the atmosphere was anything like those Hammersmith gigs, they'll live with me forever, proper awesome . |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 9:53:39 GMT
It's the 2013 gig for me. I don't hear the mistakes anyway and while the second set was better, the love that was on the stage during the first tour was gone during the second. Strange criteria when it comes to music, I know, but in this case it was important for me .. Not sure I entirely agree with that, do you mean between band and crowd or between band members? I never noticed either but then I was far too busy bouncing about to notice  I'd opt for the 2013 gig(s) personally. It was all fresh, raw and I loved it, especially for someone not old enough to see the FF first time round. 2014 was still brilliant but not quite the same level of excitement, it's not like the set changed all that much, (shocker). They did put Caroline in which I thought I'd love but it was the original version and compared to the Riffs onwards version I just find it a bit one dimensional. |
|
mortified
Administrator 
This is no' gettin' the bairn a shirt
Posts: 5,614 
|
Post by mortified on Jul 30, 2019 10:36:55 GMT
Tricky. Seeing I've never listened to the Dublin recording. I sort of stopped listening to live Quo stuff after the reunion unless there were new songs to hear because it was all much the same nearly all of the time. I have listened to both the Glasgow and Wembley gigs (along with one or two others that came with the earbook at the time). I've therefore plumped for 2013 because I am assuming that it's impact was more immediate than the Dublin album would have been. Because that was a sort of tidied up rewind of what came the year before. The 2013 gigs were better so by a twist of skewed logic the albums should be. Maybe I just shouldn't have taken part |
|
|
|
Post by craydarr on Jul 30, 2019 10:58:37 GMT
I have gone for both.
I totally agree with the comments regarding the Hammersmith shows.
|
|
|
|
Post by Quoincidence on Jul 30, 2019 14:04:12 GMT
Been a while since I watched either DVD, would have to go back and do so to say whether I preferred one or the other. I still think they missed a trick by not filming Hammersmith, particularly on the first tour, I went to one of those nights and the atmosphere was electric.It's a MASSIVE shame they didn't film the Hammersmith shows, however, they were going to as they filmed every show on the first tour but the Hammersmith concerts due to the venue asking for too much money so they could film in the venue. So in the end they didn't bother. Back on to the discussion of the poll... I prefer the Dublin gig purely for Forty Five Hundred Times / Gotta Go Home, and the band being tighter in general especially Spud. Rick looks much better as well! Another trick they missed was choosing not to play Roll Over Lay Down. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 17:46:46 GMT
Its a bit of an unfair comparison to ask folk to make. Hammy 2013 was magical, Wembley 2013 not so much. But that said I have never liked Wembley as a venue so was always unlikely to enjoy as much as Hammy.
|
|
|
|
Post by snakelady on Jul 31, 2019 6:28:52 GMT
It's the 2013 gig for me. I don't hear the mistakes anyway and while the second set was better, the love that was on the stage during the first tour was gone during the second. Strange criteria when it comes to music, I know, but in this case it was important for me .. Not sure I entirely agree with that, do you mean between band and crowd or between band members? I never noticed either but then I was far too busy bouncing about to notice I'd opt for the 2013 gig(s) personally. It was all fresh, raw and I loved it, especially for someone not old enough to see the FF first time round. 2014 was still brilliant but not quite the same level of excitement, it's not like the set changed all that much, (shocker). They did put Caroline in which I thought I'd love but it was the original version and compared to the Riffs onwards version I just find it a bit one dimensional. Between band members ! It was very obvious to me. In 2013 they seemed to be close again on the videos I saw (didn't see them live that year) and that was wonderful to watch. At the gig in 2014 that I witnessed Alan nearly aggressively wanted to be left alone and not helped while he clearly needed help. Videos from later on in the tour, including Dublin, show the band behaving professionally and otherwise everybody keeping to themselves. The feel of friendship amongst the band members was gone again and it made me feel sad. I rarely ever watch Dublin. From 2013 I like both, Wembley and Hammersmith videos. What I don't get is everybody raving about Hammy. It's just an old former cinema and nothing special IMO. In fact it's rather difficult to stand on the floor due to it not being horizontal. The atmosphere is what the audience makes of it. You can create it at every venue. Naturally it helps if there are no seats in the way and you can move and stand freely. Personally I think they should've left out all tunes they played with the current line-up as well. You couldn't avoid comparing - and in these cases the FF lost. They just didn't have the same energy and tightness .. I only ever listen to CD1/watch it up to and including Oh Baby. |
|
mortified
Administrator
This is no' gettin' the bairn a shirt
Posts: 5,614
|
Post by mortified on Jul 31, 2019 6:50:52 GMT
I deliberately avoided finding out about the set list before I went to see the reunion gig in Glasgow in 2013 so the inclusion of O Baby, April Spring Summer & Wednesdays and Blue Eyed Lady blew me away. That gave the 2013 gigs an edge. Had they changed the set considerably a year later, it might have had a similar impact. I had tickets for Hammersmith (and Manchester & Wolverhampton) but had to sell them at the last minute due to illness. Something I'll always regret. Crowds do create atmosphere but some of those old theatres in the UK encourage it for some reason. The Glasgow Apollo was just an old cinema (formerly Greens Playhouse) but it had an atmosphere all of it's own. And it was all seated! Completely unique. New(er) arenas can be good as well, of course, but I've never been in one where it matches Hammy or the Apollo or even L'Olympia in Paris. A fabulous old theatre in the same vein. I've never paid all that much attention to the band dynamic on stage during that time. Far too busy trying to encourage the early stages of dementia by shaking my head till it comes off it's hinges  |
|
|
|
Post by kursaal75 on Jul 31, 2019 8:00:05 GMT
Going by the performances and not the venues, I prefer the Wembley '13 DVD , but only just.
My preference are the Hammersmith '13 &'14 bootleg dvds, as I was at the gigs and the 2014 concert brought down the curtain of 40 years in seeing the Frantic Four at this venue. Dec'74-Mar'14
|
|
col
High Flyer
All my Gods are leaving......
Posts: 302
|
Post by col on Jul 31, 2019 20:24:21 GMT
I like them both equally, but neither are the best recordings of their respective tours.
|
|
|
|
Post by snakelady on Aug 1, 2019 7:54:27 GMT
I deliberately avoided finding out about the set list before I went to see the reunion gig in Glasgow in 2013 so the inclusion of O Baby, April Spring Summer & Wednesdays and Blue Eyed Lady blew me away. That gave the 2013 gigs an edge. Had they changed the set considerably a year later, it might have had a similar impact. I had tickets for Hammersmith (and Manchester & Wolverhampton) but had to sell them at the last minute due to illness. Something I'll always regret. Crowds do create atmosphere but some of those old theatres in the UK encourage it for some reason. The Glasgow Apollo was just an old cinema (formerly Greens Playhouse) but it had an atmosphere all of it's own. And it was all seated! Completely unique. New(er) arenas can be good as well, of course, but I've never been in one where it matches Hammy or the Apollo or even L'Olympia in Paris. A fabulous old theatre in the same vein. I've never paid all that much attention to the band dynamic on stage during that time. Far too busy trying to encourage the early stages of dementia by shaking my head till it comes off it's hinges Well, out of these I've only seen the band at the Hammy, but found it decidedly disappointing with its seats - the gig was average. I actually spend most of the Quo gigs I've been to headbanging and singing along loudly (poor neighbours  ). But occasionally during and between songs I do look up ..  And the atmosphere on stage at the various FF gigs is easy to compare watching the videos - and I've watched them quite a bit. Compare Hammy 2013 to Dublin 2014 - the difference couldn't be any bigger. Shame it had to come to this again. Have you read Francis bio by now ? Some explanations in there .. |
|
frozenhero
Administrator
Drop-D beautiful
Posts: 1,435
|
Post by frozenhero on Aug 3, 2019 15:16:45 GMT
I prefer the Dublin gig purely for Forty Five Hundred Times / Gotta Go Home, and the band being tighter in general especially Spud. Rick looks much better as well! Another trick they missed was choosing not to play Roll Over Lay Down. Agree on the DVDs. One of the reasons I decided not to go to the 2014 tour was because the Wembley CD/DVD disappointed me musically. With hindsight, maybe a slight regret as I did enjoy the Dublin DVD more. With the approach that Francis still had towards solos at that point, I don't mind ROLD's omission. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 23:29:25 GMT
Going by the performances and not the venues, I prefer the Wembley '13 DVD , but only just. My preference are the Hammersmith '13 &'14 bootleg dvds, as I was at the gigs and the 2014 concert brought down the curtain of 40 years in seeing the Frantic Four at this venue. Dec'74-Mar'14 Ahemm… info please, where are these available from? Thanks in advance. |
|
|
|
Post by deardron on Aug 12, 2019 20:16:10 GMT
Its a bit of an unfair comparison to ask folk to make. Hammy 2013 was magical, Wembley 2013 not so much. But that said I have never liked Wembley as a venue so was always unlikely to enjoy as much as Hammy. Which Hammy are you talking about, Friday or Saturday? I went to Friday's gig (missed the ticket to Saturday) and Wembley on Sunday. I was having problems with hearing Rick's guitar at Hammersmith, so I got mixed feelings about the sound on that gig. On the contrary, Wembley blew me away, the sound was perfect, one of the heaviest gig I've even been to and not without its own magic. |
|
|
|
Post by flawed on Aug 12, 2019 20:53:39 GMT
regarding the dvd's (or blu rays which I have), I've chosen Wembley, to me they sounded more together than Dublin and Francis's solos were better, plus they played the opening to Bye Bye Johnny rather than rushing into it.there was more of an effort on that first tour. I wasn't old enough to witness then live back in the day as I'm still a baby at 43  , but I did see them on their second gig of the first reunion tour at Wolverhampton and I will admit I was a bit disappointed, but was happy I've finally saw them though, and then I got the audio download of the gig and was shocked at how out of key Alan was in the first 3 songs. but the rest of the recording was immense and the drumming on don't waste my time was brilliant unlike what John was doing at Wembley and Dublin, but these are just my thoughts. I'm such critical miserable git  |
|
|
|
Post by snakelady on Aug 13, 2019 6:16:05 GMT
Going by the performances and not the venues, I prefer the Wembley '13 DVD , but only just. My preference are the Hammersmith '13 &'14 bootleg dvds, as I was at the gigs and the 2014 concert brought down the curtain of 40 years in seeing the Frantic Four at this venue. Dec'74-Mar'14 Thanks in advance. At the time it was a mb thing. Made and passed on by mb members in a kind of distribution tree. Whoever did it (can't remember, sorry  ), did a brilliant job - the quality is fantastic (can only speak for '13 though, I was never interested in '14). |
|
|
|
Post by snakelady on Aug 13, 2019 6:28:00 GMT
regarding the dvd's (or blu rays which I have), I've chosen Wembley, to me they sounded more together than Dublin and Francis's solos were better, plus they played the opening to Bye Bye Johnny rather than rushing into it.there was more of an effort on that first tour. I wasn't old enough to witness then live back in the day as I'm still a baby at 43  , but I did see them on their second gig of the first reunion tour at Wolverhampton and I will admit I was a bit disappointed, but was happy I've finally saw them though, and then I got the audio download of the gig and was shocked at how out of key Alan was in the first 3 songs. but the rest of the recording was immense and the drumming on don't waste my time was brilliant unlike what John was doing at Wembley and Dublin, but these are just my thoughts. I'm such critical miserable git Completely agree with your sentiments. On a video the way the band acts on stage does matter too. I did see the original line-up a few times back then and due to various factors, most of all time, this was nothing like it was back then. Still, it brought back memories and was very enjoyable. Your noticing mistakes is probably something you just can't avoid being a musician yourself. Son #2 is the same - he just couldn't not hear every slowing down of John or all the other mistakes that were made .. Guess I prefer my blissful ignorance  |
|
|
|
Post by flawed on Aug 13, 2019 7:46:49 GMT
I did see the original line-up a few times back then and due to various factors, most of all time, this was nothing like it was back then. Still, it brought back memories and was very enjoyable. Your noticing mistakes is probably something you just can't avoid being a musician yourself. Son #2 is the same - he just couldn't not hear every slowing down of John or all the other mistakes that were made .. Guess I prefer my blissful ignorance That is so true and I think the best concerts are the ones you let yourself get fully absorbed in, my personal standout fave was Cardiff ice rink 1993 (just for the record) was fantastic, just the energy, not nessesarily on stage but the audience and that is what makes a concert special. |
|
|
|
Post by snakelady on Aug 16, 2019 7:03:23 GMT
Would be nice if a few more members could bring themselves to vote ..  Seems the lack of harmony/friendship on stage in Dublin doesn't bother many of you, the way it does me .. |
|
|
|
Post by bridsparegular on Aug 17, 2019 14:51:05 GMT
Wasn't at Wembley '13, WAS at Dublin '14, but best of the lot for me was Manny Apollo - 1st night Reunion '13 - which I was most definitely at, and imo is the best official boot as for the 1st time ever no-one new what was coming next in the set list, just 'kin awesome night!🎸🎸🎸
|
|
|
|
Post by craydarr on Aug 18, 2019 6:27:22 GMT
Would be nice if a few more members could bring themselves to vote .. Seems the lack of harmony/friendship on stage in Dublin doesn't bother many of you, the way it does me .. I haven’t seen either of the dvds in a long while and even then I’d was probably on in the background so I probably wasn’t paying attention to the interaction . I will have to go back and look at them again to compare. Is it really that noticeable, did u spot it even before reading the book? |
|
|
|
Post by snakelady on Aug 18, 2019 7:16:01 GMT
Would be nice if a few more members could bring themselves to vote .. Seems the lack of harmony/friendship on stage in Dublin doesn't bother many of you, the way it does me .. I haven’t seen either of the dvds in a long while and even then I’d was probably on in the background so I probably wasn’t paying attention to the interaction . I will have to go back and look at them again to compare. Is it really that noticeable, did u spot it even before reading the book? Yep, I noticed straight away nearly and it took away my enjoyment of the Dublin gig. There was a 'coldness' on that stage that I had never experienced at a Quo gig before. Maybe because it was a first was why it stood out for me. Maybe it's just me though .. ? |
|
). But occasionally during and between songs I do look up .. 
And the atmosphere on stage at the various FF gigs is easy to compare watching the videos - and I've watched them quite a bit. Compare Hammy 2013 to Dublin 2014 - the difference couldn't be any bigger. Shame it had to come to this again. 
, but I did see them on their second gig of the first reunion tour at Wolverhampton and I will admit I was a bit disappointed, but was happy I've finally saw them though, and then I got the audio download of the gig and was shocked at how out of key Alan was in the first 3 songs. but the rest of the recording was immense and the drumming on don't waste my time was brilliant unlike what John was doing at Wembley and Dublin, but these are just my thoughts.
), did a brilliant job - the quality is fantastic 
sorry I mean 64 
