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Post by snakelady on Jun 2, 2019 6:38:26 GMT
This one is easy for me: While Party was a big disappointment - it was actually too poppy, cheesy and bland for my liking and didn't contain a single rock song apart from Gotta Get Up And Go. Only that didn't quite get going - Fourth Chord I loved straight away. Which made it three great original albums out of four. Certainly not a bad quota.
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Post by mortified on Jun 2, 2019 7:08:18 GMT
I'm going to be heavily defeated on this one As a self-confessed lover of the Party.... album and permanently in the minority! I like both albums very much but The Party Ain't Over Yet has always just hit the spot for me. Only one track ( Kick Me When I'm Down) I'm not 100% mad on, although it is still perfectly listenable. I prefer the simpler production compared to the multi-layered, fussier knob twiddling on ...Fourth Chord and there are probably more tracks on the latter album that I'm not keen on. The good thing, though, is that both albums are totally different, which is ironic for a band who "always sound the same"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 20:10:09 GMT
Like both but fourth chord pips it for me.....
Terrible cover though.
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Post by craydarr on Jun 6, 2019 17:29:41 GMT
I really like both albums, but would always choose Fourth Chord because it has a good mix of light and shade, whereas Party leans too much to the light. Very close tho.
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Post by col on Jun 9, 2019 20:12:48 GMT
Odd one this, I voted for 4th Chord.
But....
Had a bit of a long drive and listened to both albums back to back (but not Back To Back, as that is an album I would never listen to for pleasure, just for argument's sake).
Both have there strengths and weaknesses, 4th Chord has the better songs, and the worst songs. Party is more even. Therefore I like both equally, in a different way.
I must add,these are two very good albums, amongst Quo's best. No the 70-76 era by any means, but a lot better than just about everything since '81.
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Post by snakelady on Jun 10, 2019 7:00:08 GMT
I don't quite get what everybody sees in TPAOY. Col's right, there are a few bad songs on Fourth Chord too, but overall the songwriting is so much better than on its predecessor. The album just sounds much more like Quo should IMVHO.
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Post by frozenhero on Jun 12, 2019 11:38:01 GMT
ISOTFC is a classic in my book. TPAOY sounds too uninspired to me.
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Post by fisherman on Jun 14, 2019 17:38:50 GMT
Apart from the cover and probably four songs ISOTFC was and is a huge disappointment for me. Unlike the Party-album, which still sounds excellent an is in my top 5 Quo albums ever.
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Post by deardron on Jun 16, 2019 14:43:58 GMT
I prefer 4th Chord by a 0,0001%, so I voted for both albums. Production-wise I prefer 4th Chord though, that of TPAOY is dull at times to my taste.
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Post by deardron on Jun 16, 2019 14:46:24 GMT
Like both but fourth chord pips it for me..... Terrible cover though. I think this is one of the coolest Quo album covers ever. Rick and Francis on an expedition in the search for the 4th chord with a detailed plan in the inside sleeve - that's the greatest pisstake on Quo critics & haters who are talking about the 3 chord thing. Strange someone dislikes it.
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Post by frozenhero on Jun 19, 2019 15:12:36 GMT
I think people don't like its cartoonish nature, plus the fact that there's only two guys on the cover.
As somebody who loves comics, I find it rather well executed.
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Post by mortified on Jun 19, 2019 16:01:09 GMT
I have to confess, the sleeve of …. Fourth Chord made me wince a bit. Although the colours certainly caught the eye. It was like trying to recreate that cartoon of the band on the reverse of the Going Downtown Tonight 7" cover. Trying to recreate that humorous, poke fun at yourself approach. That was faintly amusing but 30 odd years of apparently not taking yourself seriously has worn a bit thin. Quo make - and have more or less always made - great music. Their marketing, though, has left a lot to be desired. But the bottom line I suppose is that its designed to hit the unit-shifting spot, not be up itself artistically. And they're still here so something worked. The sleeve of the new album is much more enigmatic and interesting. Well, it is for me.
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Post by deardron on Jun 19, 2019 23:07:40 GMT
I have to confess, the sleeve of …. Fourth Chord made me wince a bit. Although the colours certainly caught the eye. It was like trying to recreate that cartoon of the band on the reverse of the Going Downtown Tonight 7" cover. Trying to recreate that humorous, poke fun at yourself approach. That was faintly amusing but 30 odd years of apparently not taking yourself seriously has worn a bit thin. Having not seen the reverse of the Going Downtown Tonight 7" cover, I think the ISOTFH cover was spot on, I can't think of another Quo album design thought out so well. I remember I had a good laugh when I got the CD and looked at the sleeve with Rick and Francis holding compasses and devotedly searching for something in wild jungles. Do you have a better idea how the search for such an important thing as the 4th chord should look like?
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Post by mortified on Jun 20, 2019 4:51:56 GMT
I have to confess, the sleeve of …. Fourth Chord made me wince a bit. Although the colours certainly caught the eye. It was like trying to recreate that cartoon of the band on the reverse of the Going Downtown Tonight 7" cover. Trying to recreate that humorous, poke fun at yourself approach. That was faintly amusing but 30 odd years of apparently not taking yourself seriously has worn a bit thin. Having not seen the reverse of the Going Downtown Tonight 7" cover, I think the ISOTFH cover was spot on, I can't think of another Quo album design thought out so well. I remember I had a good laugh when I got the CD and looked at the sleeve with Rick and Francis holding compasses and devotedly searching for something in wild jungles. Do you have a better idea how the search for such an important thing as the 4th chord should look like? Frame and Rick looking under the bed wearing nightshirts and carrying candles like two Scrooges with Rhino in the darkness shouting " here it is" I know it was meant to be funny and a bite back at decades of ignorant criticism. I just thought it all looked a bit naff. I've still got that bl00dy orange medallion to prove it. Only ever wore it to a Barry Gibb concert
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Post by snakelady on Jun 20, 2019 6:52:30 GMT
I have to confess, the sleeve of …. Fourth Chord made me wince a bit. Although the colours certainly caught the eye. It was like trying to recreate that cartoon of the band on the reverse of the Going Downtown Tonight 7" cover. Trying to recreate that humorous, poke fun at yourself approach. That was faintly amusing but 30 odd years of apparently not taking yourself seriously has worn a bit thin. Having not seen the reverse of the Going Downtown Tonight 7" cover, I think the ISOTFH cover was spot on, I can't think of another Quo album design thought out so well. I remember I had a good laugh when I got the CD and looked at the sleeve with Rick and Francis holding compasses and devotedly searching for something in wild jungles. Do you have a better idea how the search for such an important thing as the 4th chord should look like? I thought it looked like Status Quo turned Indiana Jones. Francis and Rick in search of the 4th chord instead of Indy in search of the holy grail (Francis even wears the same leather hat) .. - And yep, I couldn't see what was so bad about it either.
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Post by mortified on Jun 20, 2019 7:06:22 GMT
Having not seen the reverse of the Going Downtown Tonight 7" cover, I think the ISOTFH cover was spot on, I can't think of another Quo album design thought out so well. I remember I had a good laugh when I got the CD and looked at the sleeve with Rick and Francis holding compasses and devotedly searching for something in wild jungles. Do you have a better idea how the search for such an important thing as the 4th chord should look like? I thought it looked like Status Quo turned Indiana Jones. Francis and Rick in search of the 4th chord instead of Indy in search of the holy grail (Francis even wears the same leather hat) .. - And yep, I couldn't see what was so bad about it either. That's precisely what it was all about. If I remember correctly, there was a sort of treasure map or something inside the sleeve. I guess the cover and the general concept of it just polarised opinions. Like the music, all down to taste. I took no issue with the title of the album and the gold disc thing was very clever. What I did like were the sepia tinted photos of the band dotted around the place. But that made them look like a rock band and we couldn't have that It would have scuppered any chance of an appearance on The One Show or Loose Women
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Post by johns on Jun 25, 2019 15:14:21 GMT
I'm going to be heavily defeated on this one As a self-confessed lover of the Party.... album and permanently in the minority! I like both albums very much but The Party Ain't Over Yet has always just hit the spot for me. Only one track ( Kick Me When I'm Down) I'm not 100% mad on, although it is still perfectly listenable. I prefer the simpler production compared to the multi-layered, fussier knob twiddling on ...Fourth Chord and there are probably more tracks on the latter album that I'm not keen on. The good thing, though, is that both albums are totally different, which is ironic for a band who "always sound the same" Pretty much agree with all that. I find the Rick songs on Fourth Chord let it down somewhat and Gray Train should have been sung by Rhino.
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Post by liberty on Jun 25, 2019 16:13:26 GMT
ISOTFC is a classic in my book. TPAOY sounds too uninspired to me. This!
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Post by snakelady on Jun 26, 2019 10:51:32 GMT
I'm going to be heavily defeated on this one As a self-confessed lover of the Party.... album and permanently in the minority! I like both albums very much but The Party Ain't Over Yet has always just hit the spot for me. Only one track ( Kick Me When I'm Down) I'm not 100% mad on, although it is still perfectly listenable. I prefer the simpler production compared to the multi-layered, fussier knob twiddling on ...Fourth Chord and there are probably more tracks on the latter album that I'm not keen on. The good thing, though, is that both albums are totally different, which is ironic for a band who "always sound the same" Pretty much agree with all that. I find the Rick songs on Fourth Chord let it down somewhat and Gray Train should have been sung by Rhino. Funny how we all see things differently - I much prefer Rick's output on 4th Chord over his Party contributions. Not sure Gravy Train could be improved by anyone. It's one of the few let downs on the album and should never have made the live set. Alright would've been the far better choice, but maybe Rick wasn't able to sing it live ?
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Post by johns on Jun 27, 2019 8:27:12 GMT
Pretty much agree with all that. I find the Rick songs on Fourth Chord let it down somewhat and Gray Train should have been sung by Rhino. Funny how we all see things differently - I much prefer Rick's output on 4th Chord over his Party contributions. Not sure Gravy Train could be improved by anyone. It's one of the few let downs on the album and should never have made the live set. Alright would've been the far better choice, but maybe Rick wasn't able to sing it live ? Did you hear the Rhino version of Gravy Train that was kicking about before the album release? Much much better than the 4th Chord version
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Post by snakelady on Jun 27, 2019 17:27:46 GMT
Funny how we all see things differently - I much prefer Rick's output on 4th Chord over his Party contributions. Not sure Gravy Train could be improved by anyone. It's one of the few let downs on the album and should never have made the live set. Alright would've been the far better choice, but maybe Rick wasn't able to sing it live ? Did you hear the Rhino version of Gravy Train that was kicking about before the album release? Much much better than the 4th Chord version Nope, I didn't - is it on yt ? Can't have been any worse, I agree, even without having heard the other version. Rhino singing it on the album wasn't going to happen though, as it would've meant 2 songs sung by him and merely one by Rick. Rick may not have been #1 in the band hierarchy, but he certainly was #2 and would never have given up that spot voluntarily, even if him and Rhino got along just fine (IMVHO).
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Post by frozenhero on Jul 10, 2019 12:37:22 GMT
snakelady You've forgotten "Hold Me"! (And "One by One" if we include bonus tracks.)
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Post by snakelady on Jul 13, 2019 6:38:31 GMT
snakelady You've forgotten "Hold Me"! (And "One by One" if we include bonus tracks.) I wasn't listing all of Rick's songs, just what I thought was best suited for the live set. One By One is out of the question in that case and while I like Hold Me, I don't think it would've worked live. Alright is the rockier tune and would've fitted in perfectly - if Rick's voice would've still been up for it. That's always the big IF. Although he did sing Big Fat Mama till the end, which is similar from vocal requirements (at least had been for decades. We all know it was actually sung at first).
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Post by mortified on Jul 13, 2019 7:06:19 GMT
Did you hear the Rhino version of Gravy Train that was kicking about before the album release? Much much better than the 4th Chord version Nope, I didn't - is it on yt ? Can't have been any worse, I agree, even without having heard the other version. Rhino singing it on the album wasn't going to happen though, as it would've meant 2 songs sung by him and merely one by Rick. Rick may not have been #1 in the band hierarchy, but he certainly was #2 and would never have given up that spot voluntarily, even if him and Rhino got along just fine (IMVHO). Not sure if the Woodedz version is on YouTube. It was just a demo and pretty raw like it was recorded in Rhino's kitchen or somewhere. Pip Williams definitely cleaned it up and sanitised it a bit. Freddie and Max drive the whole thing along and it's like an old punk single. Trust me, snakelady, you won't like it any more than you do the Quo version. Possibly a lot less Incidentally, I believe they dabbled with putting Hold Me in the set at the time. I'm not sure if they played it at early gigs or just rehearsed it. I certainly read something somewhere about it back then.
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