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Post by snakelady on Apr 27, 2019 6:06:39 GMT
As explained before, this might not be completely chronological, but it makes more sense. Else, if it were FITLC vs. UTI and HT vs. Riffs, there'd be no need for a poll as the winner would be obvious right from the start.
So which of the two covers albums do you prefer ?
Got to say, it's difficult for me. I can tolerate parts from both, but am not keen on either. Guess I'll have to compare my like-dislike relations to find the answer ..
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Post by craydarr on Apr 29, 2019 7:54:08 GMT
As explained before, this might not be completely chronological, but it makes more sense. Else, if it were FITLC vs. UTI and HT vs. Riffs, there'd be no need for a poll as the winner would be obvious right from the start. So which of the two covers albums do you prefer ? Got to say, it's difficult for me. I can tolerate parts from both, but am not keen on either. Guess I'll have to compare my like-dislike relations to find the answer .. I’ve got to agree with you, there are a few songs on each I’m ok with but I don’t really like either on the whole. If there was a fire in the house and I had to save my Quo collection, these two and Perfect Remedy would be used to prop the door open to aid my escape. 😃
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Post by mortified on Apr 29, 2019 8:07:46 GMT
Maintaining the current theme, I don't really see either as good Quo albums but there are tracks on each that I can listen to now and again. But I have to admit to preferring Riffs. There's maybe half a dozen tracks on there compared to 2 or 3 on Famous.... that get pass marks for me. But that's like comparing liver to tripe. I can just about swallow one but the other is too much of a challenge
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Post by kursaal75 on Apr 29, 2019 10:03:04 GMT
Riff's just edge it for me, from 2 very poor albums.
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 30, 2019 18:38:04 GMT
Cant stand either. Utterly dreadful albums.
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Post by flawed on Apr 30, 2019 22:37:37 GMT
I prefer Riffs without a doubt, I really liked 7 songs, didn't care about the re-recordings though, but the songs that let it down for me was I fought the Law and All day and all of the night, just because of the vocals, Francis's voice is too soft for those, Rick or Rhino should have sang them. Famous? still e, but there were 2 stand out songs for me on that, Memphis Tennessee and another one that I can't think of at the moment, and I'm too tired to even think about at it too lol
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Post by mortified on May 1, 2019 5:00:57 GMT
Bit of a weird one, Famous In The Last Century. I dare say someone can tell us how it panned out record company wise. And why.
A covers album 4 years after their first, platinum selling, covers album. With a half decent album of self-penned material in between - on an entirely different label. And, of course, yet another compilation in that 4-year period as well. No doubt contracts being fulfilled somewhere along the line.
I think we could safely call it a period of uncertainty for the band.
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Post by flawed on May 1, 2019 6:03:10 GMT
I remember something in a FTMO during the late 90's that the contract they were given by the record company was a compilation album (whatever you want) and a 2nd covers album, I think cause they wanted to do another originals album, they had to go for a smaller label to allow it. Cause they tried to fight to do another originals (Heavy Traffic) which of course they're allowed to do if they did a 3rd covers album. Thankfully those days are over now.
I'd say XS all areas was just marketed to help sell the book and they were about to hit another anniversary which Francis was tired of, maybe thats why they released it a year before?! I don't know lol
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Post by mortified on May 1, 2019 6:22:46 GMT
I've got FTMO's going back to goodness knows when; the mid 90's anyway. I'll maybe have a trawl through them. Then again.... It's funny; you're a Quo fan. And all you really want is a new Quo album with new Quo material. Fairly simple. That's still actually the case. But music business politics and the interference of goodness knows how many agencies and individuals means you wait and wait, sifting through compilations, covers albums and country music before you get what you've been hoping for. God we're a patient lot!
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Post by snakelady on May 1, 2019 7:38:59 GMT
I remember something in a FTMO during the late 90's that the contract they were given by the record company was a compilation album (whatever you want) and a 2nd covers album, I think cause they wanted to do another originals album, they had to go for a smaller label to allow it. Cause they tried to fight to do another originals (Heavy Traffic) which of course they're allowed to do if they did a 3rd covers album. Thankfully those days are over now. I'd say XS all areas was just marketed to help sell the book and they were about to hit another anniversary which Francis was tired of, maybe thats why they released it a year before?! I don't know lol Yep, you're right. The band's big problem at the time was, that covers albums (not just their own) outsold original material. So record companies thought they played safe when contracts for original material included a covers album as well or worse, they didn't even want original material. Quo were only able to leave that behind when Heavy Traffic did much better than expected, the reason why the Riffs release was pushed back a year, and in the end outsold Riffs and by some margin. The 'record company hopping' at the time was quite irritating though. On a site note: I actually think that I Fought The Law is the best tune on Riffs, but agree about the re-(re-re- ..) recordings.
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Post by flawed on May 2, 2019 6:28:32 GMT
I Love how some people views on the best songs and worst songs are so different, thats probably why I love music so much, It's what we all personally take from a song, weather its music, melody, lyrics, sound, it's just fantastic. my 2 faves from the album, would be Centerfold and Pump It Up, for me hearing them do something different is great.
I'm looking forward to the new album, and I'm hoping to hearing Rhino and Richie sing on it, but I'm starting to wonder if it'll be released this year now.
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Post by mortified on May 2, 2019 7:32:40 GMT
I Love how some people views on the best songs and worst songs are so different, thats probably why I love music so much, It's what we all personally take from a song, weather its music, melody, lyrics, sound, it's just fantastic. my 2 faves from the album, would be Centerfold and Pump It Up, for me hearing them do something different is great. I'm looking forward to the new album, and I'm hoping to hearing Rhino and Richie sing on it, but I'm starting to wonder if it'll be released this year now.It's beginning to look unlikely now and Francis's talk tour next year doesn't fill me with confidence on that score either. There have been contradictory messages coming out. Two FTMO's ago, the band were talking about tracks they'd recorded and how good it sounded with Francis producing. But the signals coming from Francis himself in magazine interviews etc. recently have downplayed it a bit. But, to be fair, his present motivation will have been to promote his book and the album with Hannah Rickard. I get that. Maybe we're in for a surprise later in the year. I do hope so.
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Post by snakelady on May 2, 2019 8:01:27 GMT
I Love how some people views on the best songs and worst songs are so different, thats probably why I love music so much, It's what we all personally take from a song, weather its music, melody, lyrics, sound, it's just fantastic. my 2 faves from the album, would be Centerfold and Pump It Up, for me hearing them do something different is great. I'm looking forward to the new album, and I'm hoping to hearing Rhino and Richie sing on it, but I'm starting to wonder if it'll be released this year now.It's beginning to look unlikely now and Francis's talk tour next year doesn't fill me with confidence on that score either. There have been contradictory messages coming out. Two FTMO's ago, the band were talking about tracks they'd recorded and how good it sounded with Francis producing. But the signals coming from Francis himself in magazine interviews etc. recently have downplayed it a bit. But, to be fair, his present motivation will have been to promote his book and the album with Hannah Rickard. I get that. Maybe we're in for a surprise later in the year. I do hope so. Yep, how I see it as well. I'm loosing my faith it'll see the light of day soon quickly. To me it looks like Francis very much enjoys making music other than the standard Quo stuff. I do remember how much he enjoyed playing his solo set and how he wanted to do more of that at the time. Never came to it, but the motivation behind it seemed to be the same: something different. There's actually an easy cure for this, Francis: Throw out everything that makes up a Quo set and only include tunes you like - including more than just one or two new songs. You might be surprised how much the audience is going to love that as well. flawed - I can't stand Centerfold, the song, not because Rhino sings it . And you're right about different views and tastes
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Post by mortified on May 2, 2019 8:11:54 GMT
It's beginning to look unlikely now and Francis's talk tour next year doesn't fill me with confidence on that score either. There have been contradictory messages coming out. Two FTMO's ago, the band were talking about tracks they'd recorded and how good it sounded with Francis producing. But the signals coming from Francis himself in magazine interviews etc. recently have downplayed it a bit. But, to be fair, his present motivation will have been to promote his book and the album with Hannah Rickard. I get that. Maybe we're in for a surprise later in the year. I do hope so. Yep, how I see it as well. I'm loosing my faith it'll see the light of day soon quickly. To me it looks like Francis very much enjoys making music other than the standard Quo stuff. I do remember how much he enjoyed playing his solo set and how he wanted to do more of that at the time. Never came to it, but the motivation behind it seemed to be the same: something different. There's actually an easy cure for this, Francis: Throw out everything that makes up a Quo set and only include tunes you like - including more than just one or two new songs. You might be surprised how much the audience is going to love that as well. flawed - I can't stand Centerfold, the song, not because Rhino sings it . And you're right about different views and tastes Unfortunately, I don't think he believes that. In a recent interview ( Classic Rock I think) he indicated that it was "show business" emphasising the word 'business'. Now I can see that point of view but, from the outside as a fan looking in, it's much more than just a business. There's an inseparable artistic element to it. That's the bit that WE appreciate. Of course, he'd just come back with "I've just released an album; if you don't like it, that's just the way things are". He'd also no doubt argue that the 'business' side of the debate dictates the set list. That's a discussion we could all go round in circles with - and frequently do With Quo he more often than not plays in front of thousands. On his own it was hundreds. In his eyes, the end justifies the means. Hard to argue with that. Except on an artistic level. And round we go again
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 21:21:44 GMT
Both cringeworthy.....
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Post by bridsparegular on May 2, 2019 21:27:16 GMT
Both cd's are crap and embarrassing, riffs only edges by 1% cos of the dvd for me...
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Post by snakelady on May 3, 2019 7:35:38 GMT
Yep, how I see it as well. I'm loosing my faith it'll see the light of day soon quickly. To me it looks like Francis very much enjoys making music other than the standard Quo stuff. I do remember how much he enjoyed playing his solo set and how he wanted to do more of that at the time. Never came to it, but the motivation behind it seemed to be the same: something different. There's actually an easy cure for this, Francis: Throw out everything that makes up a Quo set and only include tunes you like - including more than just one or two new songs. You might be surprised how much the audience is going to love that as well. flawed - I can't stand Centerfold, the song, not because Rhino sings it . And you're right about different views and tastes Unfortunately, I don't think he believes that. In a recent interview ( Classic Rock I think) he indicated that it was "show business" emphasising the word 'business'. Now I can see that point of view but, from the outside as a fan looking in, it's much more than just a business. There's an inseparable artistic element to it. That's the bit that WE appreciate. Of course, he'd just come back with "I've just released an album; if you don't like it, that's just the way things are". He'd also no doubt argue that the 'business' side of the debate dictates the set list. That's a discussion we could all go round in circles with - and frequently do With Quo he more often than not plays in front of thousands. On his own it was hundreds. In his eyes, the end justifies the means. Hard to argue with that. Except on an artistic level. And round we go again Yep. I too think that Francis weighs the business aspect too heavily. It seems for him it comes down to the equation the more sold = the more popular (if I remember correctly, that's why he wonders in the book how the 1982 was so popular ) He's such a clever guy, but in that respect he isn't able to see beyond business figures. IMO and I'm indeed an outsider, but from experience I'd say there's much more to it. Like name and memory and marketing - strategy and intensity - even herd mentality. And I'm sure there's more, a lot more. I do get why, when it's your job, in the end it's down to numbers sold. And that he maybe has given up trying to figure out the 'why ?'. He knows how to survive in this tricky business, so why take more risk than necessary ? Because it's more fun Francis and it won't cause any damage to Quo. The image and status of the band are kind of set in stone by now. The general perception can't be changed any more, even if short term it appears like it can (acoustic ..). Seems for this poll we'd have needed more categories. Like -horrible, just not quite as bad as the other
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Post by mortified on May 3, 2019 10:39:18 GMT
Unfortunately, I don't think he believes that. In a recent interview ( Classic Rock I think) he indicated that it was "show business" emphasising the word 'business'. Now I can see that point of view but, from the outside as a fan looking in, it's much more than just a business. There's an inseparable artistic element to it. That's the bit that WE appreciate. Of course, he'd just come back with "I've just released an album; if you don't like it, that's just the way things are". He'd also no doubt argue that the 'business' side of the debate dictates the set list. That's a discussion we could all go round in circles with - and frequently do With Quo he more often than not plays in front of thousands. On his own it was hundreds. In his eyes, the end justifies the means. Hard to argue with that. Except on an artistic level. And round we go again Yep. I too think that Francis weighs the business aspect too heavily. It seems for him it comes down to the equation the more sold = the more popular (if I remember correctly, that's why he wonders in the book how the 1982 was so popular )He's such a clever guy, but in that respect he isn't able to see beyond business figures. IMO and I'm indeed an outsider, but from experience I'd say there's much more to it. Like name and memory and marketing - strategy and intensity - even herd mentality. And I'm sure there's more, a lot more. I do get why, when it's your job, in the end it's down to numbers sold. And that he maybe has given up trying to figure out the 'why ?'. He knows how to survive in this tricky business, so why take more risk than necessary ? Because it's more fun Francis and it won't cause any damage to Quo. The image and status of the band are kind of set in stone by now. The general perception can't be changed any more, even if short term it appears like it can (acoustic ..). Seems for this poll we'd have needed more categories. Like -horrible, just not quite as bad as the other That one isn't exactly rocket science and he should know why. Sales do not necessarily indicate the popularity of a particular album. Sales of 1+9+8+2 will have had previous albums to thank as well as the huge promotion and publicity it got, certainly in the UK, with the whole 20th anniversary thing and the Prince Charles gig. I've still got all the stuff that came out at the time. Magazines articles, books, stickers given away free with gig tickets etc. There was also a music industry publication which dedicated it's entire issue to the band. This album was given the works. Francis is very business focussed and I suspect that previous experiences over the decades with other managers and music companies where the band lost out financially will bring that out in him. I don't begrudge him a single thing. I'm just selfish and like to hear Quo. New stuff especially.
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Post by Hello on May 3, 2019 20:59:49 GMT
About equal for me, both top tappers when stuck in the car, Riffs better produced but Century is slightly more upbeat. Not sure they should have done either but probably forced down that route at the time,
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Post by frozenhero on May 29, 2019 11:10:05 GMT
It's beginning to look unlikely now and Francis's talk tour next year doesn't fill me with confidence on that score either. There have been contradictory messages coming out. Two FTMO's ago, the band were talking about tracks they'd recorded and how good it sounded with Francis producing. But the signals coming from Francis himself in magazine interviews etc. recently have downplayed it a bit. But, to be fair, his present motivation will have been to promote his book and the album with Hannah Rickard. I get that. Maybe we're in for a surprise later in the year. I do hope so. Yep, how I see it as well. I'm loosing my faith it'll see the light of day soon quickly. To me it looks like Francis very much enjoys making music other than the standard Quo stuff. I do remember how much he enjoyed playing his solo set and how he wanted to do more of that at the time. Never came to it, but the motivation behind it seemed to be the same: something different. There's actually an easy cure for this, Francis: Throw out everything that makes up a Quo set and only include tunes you like - including more than just one or two new songs. You might be surprised how much the audience is going to love that as well. flawed - I can't stand Centerfold, the song, not because Rhino sings it . And you're right about different views and tastes There is an interesting quote in the current Classic Rock magazine (haven't bought it yet). Francis talks about writing with Andy. Apparently he was reluctant to write for Quo again but then realized he enjoyed the thrill of writing - regardless of how good the result is!!
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Post by mortified on May 29, 2019 13:32:47 GMT
Yep, how I see it as well. I'm loosing my faith it'll see the light of day soon quickly. To me it looks like Francis very much enjoys making music other than the standard Quo stuff. I do remember how much he enjoyed playing his solo set and how he wanted to do more of that at the time. Never came to it, but the motivation behind it seemed to be the same: something different. There's actually an easy cure for this, Francis: Throw out everything that makes up a Quo set and only include tunes you like - including more than just one or two new songs. You might be surprised how much the audience is going to love that as well. flawed - I can't stand Centerfold, the song, not because Rhino sings it . And you're right about different views and tastes There is an interesting quote in the current Classic Rock magazine (haven't bought it yet). Francis talks about writing with Andy. Apparently he was reluctant to write for Quo again but then realized he enjoyed the thrill of writing - regardless of how good the result is!! Making the band a permanent retro act. Oh joy I'm not convinced I'd like many Rossi/Bown collaborations but, in my ever so humble, Rhino's become too innovative and a little too heavy for him. Both know what Quo fans want to hear; one cares and one doesn't. Is how this old fart sees it
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Post by snakelady on May 30, 2019 8:17:38 GMT
There is an interesting quote in the current Classic Rock magazine (haven't bought it yet). Francis talks about writing with Andy. Apparently he was reluctant to write for Quo again but then realized he enjoyed the thrill of writing - regardless of how good the result is!! Making the band a permanent retro act. Oh joy I'm not convinced I'd like many Rossi/Bown collaborations but, in my ever so humble, Rhino's become too innovative and a little too heavy for him. Both know what Quo fans want to hear; one cares and one doesn't. Is how this old fart sees it I happen to believe that the songwriting partnerships Rossi/Bown and Rossi/Edwards or all three together are good for Quo. Rhino might be a pain in the .. for Francis with his innovative/heavy ideas, but if he can get Francis to sprinkle a bit of his melodic Quo gold dust over them, something great comes of it usually. I suppose there's no way round Rhino pestering Francis though and he should know by now that Francis always says no at first. He even admits as much in the book (maybe Rhino should read it after all) .
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Post by mortified on May 30, 2019 8:36:26 GMT
The only reason I said that, snakelady , is because of their track record. Burning Bridges Fame Or Money Lover Of The Human RaceCiao-Ciao Blues And Rhythm Saddling Up Rock 'n' Roll 'n' You Frozen Hero
These are the only Rossi/Bown (only) credited compositions. What you might call a mixed bag. In fact, two of them ( Ciao-Ciao and Saddling Up) I don't like one little bit. The others, for me, are more than passable with Rock 'n' Roll 'n' You being the excellent stand-out. I'd never write anything off before hearing it. I just find that when it comes to Quo, I'm tending to like Rhino's compositions more than any of the others. When Matt had the odd song accepted, I found those to be really good as well. Rick still managed the odd gem. But Quo have been away from the studio for a long time, Bula Quo being their last album of new material, so maybe the break will have got the creative juices flowing. If this album ever sees the light of day It's all very well Francis saying he doesn't want to write for Quo any more but the band haven't folded. There's a job to be done; even the bits he doesn't like.
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Post by snakelady on May 30, 2019 9:01:13 GMT
The only reason I said that, snakelady , is because of their track record. Burning Bridges Fame Or Money Lover Of The Human RaceCiao-Ciao Blues And Rhythm Saddling Up Rock 'n' Roll 'n' You Frozen Hero
These are the only Rossi/Bown (only) credited compositions. What you might call a mixed bag. In fact, two of them ( Ciao-Ciao and Saddling Up) I don't like one little bit. The others, for me, are more than passable with Rock 'n' Roll 'n' You being the excellent stand-out. I'd never write anything off before hearing it. I just find that when it comes to Quo, I'm tending to like Rhino's compositions more than any of the others. When Matt had the odd song accepted, I found those to be really good as well. Rick still managed the odd gem. But Quo have been away from the studio for a long time, Bula Quo being their last album of new material, so maybe the break will have got the creative juices flowing. If this album ever sees the light of day It's all very well Francis saying he doesn't want to write for Quo any more but the band haven't folded. There's a job to be done; even the bits he doesn't like. I dismiss Burning Bridges and Ciao-Ciao as hit and miss from the drug years. I love the rest ! As opposed to you the mixed bag for me is what has come from Rhino writing on his own. Fuji Time - yess ! but bad News or Gravy Train a big no. And Gravy Train was given a chance live, but if ever a song didn't work with a Quo audience .. Concerning Francis .. he's got this habit of going off on a tangent .. We can only hope he gets his feet back on (Quo) ground in time. Him writing with Andy gives me some hope and Bob did mention a short while ago that they were writing together - although he didn't say if it was for Quo ..
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