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Post by mortified on Dec 6, 2018 13:56:59 GMT
By my reckoning, we're probably talking about Perfect Remedy, Rock 'Til You Drop, Thirsty Work and Don't Stop. Any speculation on what could or should be included on them? Perfect Remedy could, in theory, have the 1989 NEC gig with it. I imagine it's available given the video release at the time and the odd song which has surfaced since like Dirty Water. The live version of In My Chair from that is possibly the best ever rendition outside of the original. I like to think Rock 'Til You Drop will include Mysteries From The Ball, Dead In The Water and Better Times. Some live tracks from the '91/'92 tour would be ace because there are at least 5 songs I can think of that have never been officially released as live versions. Same with Thirsty Work. They played quite a few from the album that are bound to have more power to them than the rather limp studio versions. As for Don't Stop, there are, of course, live songs from that tour kicking around as well such as Proud Mary, Get Back and All Around My Hat so a gig from then probably isn't out of the question. I'm just sort of trying to follow the theme of what's come out so far. I don't see them releasing a deluxe Live Alive Quo unless Quo's full set is available. Is it? No idea. Sorry, I'm a bit bored today
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Post by statusquid on Dec 6, 2018 17:17:09 GMT
Rock til you drop would be interesting. Mysteries from the ball, Better times, Heavy daze & Dead in the water all featured in the RTYD recording sessions & maybe should’ve been included on the original album instead of Tommy & a few of the covers. For some reason this album always seems harder to find (record stores) & always commands a higher value than other standard Quo albums. Well produced by Francis Rossi & an excellent version of 4500 times ...Rockin...
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 6, 2018 17:55:46 GMT
By my reckoning, we're probably talking about Perfect Remedy, Rock 'Til You Drop, Thirsty Work and Don't Stop. Any speculation on what could or should be included on them? Perfect Remedy could, in theory, have the 1989 NEC gig with it. I imagine it's available given the video release at the time and the odd song which has surfaced since like Dirty Water. The live version of In My Chair from that is possibly the best ever rendition outside of the original. I like to think Rock 'Til You Drop will include Mysteries From The Ball, Dead In The Water and Better Times. Some live tracks from the '91/'92 tour would be ace because there are at least 5 songs I can think of that have never been officially released as live versions. Same with Thirsty Work. They played quite a few from the album that are bound to have more power to them than the rather limp studio versions. As for Don't Stop, there are, of course, live songs from that tour kicking around as well such as Proud Mary, Get Back and All Around My Hat so a gig from then probably isn't out of the question. I'm just sort of trying to follow the theme of what's come out so far. I don't see them releasing a deluxe Live Alive Quo unless Quo's full set is available. Is it? No idea. Sorry, I'm a bit bored today The next set is Perfect Remedy, Rock Til You Drop and Thirsty Work. I won't be mentioning any tracklistings at this time, I'll wait until they have been decided fully. There could be a couple 3 disc sets but who knows. I'd rather some of the bonus content have a standalone release, i have made my thoughts know regarding this, and not be shoved to being bonus disc content. Cheers
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Post by Dark on Dec 7, 2018 9:40:18 GMT
The whole set of Live Alive Quo has already been released, was just a 40 minute show wasn’t it? The 3 bonus tracks on the CD, Don’t Drive My Car, Hold You Back & Little Lady were recorded at Wembley in 1990, so I’d assume there is a whole gig there ripe for plundering.
I’d definitely like the ’89 set from the NEC, my preference would be a DVD release, but if not then on CD with Perfect Remedy would suit me fine. I did really like that video, In My Chair as said was fantastic, and it would be good to have live versions of Power of Rock, Perfect Remedy & Little Dreamer, from memory that is all that the played from the album in that set.
Again I’d prefer it on DVD/Blu-Ray but if not, would nice to get some highlights, if not all the complete gigs from the 4 gigs in the Rock ‘Til You Drop tour in a day. I expect all the b-sides for RTYD to be included this time, as they weren’t in the 2006 remasters.
A bonus CD of Thirsty Work having been completely remixed with the guitars given a bit of presence and the keyboards turned down significantly would be my wish there.
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Post by mortified on Dec 7, 2018 11:18:11 GMT
The whole set of Live Alive Quo has already been released, was just a 40 minute show wasn’t it? The 3 bonus tracks on the CD, Don’t Drive My Car, Hold You Back & Little Lady were recorded at Wembley in 1990, so I’d assume there is a whole gig there ripe for plundering. I’d definitely like the ’89 set from the NEC, my preference would be a DVD release, but if not then on CD with Perfect Remedy would suit me fine. I did really like that video, In My Chair as said was fantastic, and it would be good to have live versions of Power of Rock, Perfect Remedy & Little Dreamer, from memory that is all that the played from the album in that set. Again I’d prefer it on DVD/Blu-Ray but if not, would nice to get some highlights, if not all the complete gigs from the 4 gigs in the Rock ‘Til You Drop tour in a day. I expect all the b-sides for RTYD to be included this time, as they weren’t in the 2006 remasters. A bonus CD of Thirsty Work having been completely remixed with the guitars given a bit of presence and the keyboards turned down significantly would be my wish there. I didn't appreciate that. I thought they probably did a normal summer type set. Fair enough I did know that a couple of the tracks were taken from a Wembley gig, although didn't know about Hold You Back. I thought it was only Don't Drive My Car and Little Lady. My mistake. A DVD from NEC '89 is a good shout actually. Never really thought about that. They do tend to steer clear of them, though, for some reason. Not sure why. Maybe it's technical or cost prohibitive. No idea. But virtually none of the previously released videos going back to the 80's has surfaced as a re-release on DVD. Other than 'unofficial' things like the Butlins gig, which has appeared in several different guises. Much as I'd love a remixed Thirsty Work myself, I think we both know that isn't a goer
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Post by Dark on Dec 7, 2018 14:05:53 GMT
Personally I’d love it if they would release a Blu-Ray that would bundle the NEC ’89 together with the Rock ‘Til You Drop event and the Butlins performance. To go back to the original tape of the Minehead gig as well, then put it out complete and without all the yearly information streaming along the bottom and the picture being shrunk or altered from time to time as well. Unfortunately I don’t see any of that happening, don’t know why Quo’s management don’t try putting a bit of effort into the bands back catalogue.
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Post by mortified on Dec 7, 2018 14:49:37 GMT
Personally I’d love it if they would release a Blu-Ray that would bundle the NEC ’89 together with the Rock ‘Til You Drop event and the Butlins performance. To go back to the original tape of the Minehead gig as well, then put it out complete and without all the yearly information streaming along the bottom and the picture being shrunk or altered from time to time as well. Unfortunately I don’t see any of that happening, don’t know why Quo’s management don’t try putting a bit of effort into the bands back catalogue.They'd probably say they are with these deluxe CD's but there could be more effort made with old videos, I agree. We get plenty new ones and it's almost like they'd rather ignore the past and concentrate on the present (à la Wacken and Last Night of the Electrics). I can see the logic in that, obviously, but there's some good stuff such as the NEC '89 and the Rock 'til You Drop event that would very welcome by some (i.e. me and you ). And Milton Keynes seems to represent the anti-Christ when it comes to Quo performances whereas the rest of us thought they were staggeringly good that day Hey ho....
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Post by Dark on Dec 7, 2018 17:08:30 GMT
I think the record company are putting out these re-issues, as they do for other artists on their label, I don’t see any management input at all, certainly not from outside looking in.
But if one of the roles of the management is to maximise their artists income, then as well as future opportunities then I think they should also look at the body of work and see what they can exploit. So for me they should be going to the record company and saying that they want to re-issue those old videos on the modern formats. If Universal are uninterested, then they should look at getting Edel involved and see if they can licence them off Universal, or whoever the owner is.
They may well have looked into it and feel it is cost prohibitive, or that there wouldn’t be enough demand there. But personally I don’t see how there can be enough demand for the last Wacken live DVD, but not enough for either End of the Road, NEC ’89, Rock ‘Til Your Drop, Minehead all combined or separate. At the very least given the current market for vinyl, you could probably do a small profitable run of the soundtrack to any of these.
As for the band members, personally if I was them then I’d want my body of work available for prosterity, and would be asking management to get the NEC ’89 out and available again.
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 7, 2018 17:57:49 GMT
Because Porter has never really paid an interest but hopefully will be doing I'm the future. If you want DVDs, wait for the deluxe editions to be over and done with. The Wembley 1990 tape is still around and I'd love for that to be remixed. Not a fan of the sound mix they did for the Live Alive tracks. Butlins 1990 doesn't exist in master tape form... just a vhs copy without the graphics. Birmingham '89 and the 4 RTYD gigs (along with ALL the bonus footage) deserve their own releases on either BluRay or SD BluRay. All the next deluxe editions will have B-Side tracks and live versions of the album tracks, don't worry about that, and some unreleased tracks also, but more about that closer to the time. Cheers
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Post by gav on Dec 7, 2018 18:59:04 GMT
The only unreleased tracks over this period i've ever read about have been "Blondes Don't Lie" from the PR sessions, and a version of "Don't Stop" which was originally recorded for the RTYD album. BDL is pretty poor, lyrically at least.
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 7, 2018 19:13:53 GMT
The only unreleased tracks over this period i've ever read about have been "Blondes Don't Lie" from the PR sessions, and a version of "Don't Stop" which was originally recorded for the RTYD album. BDL is pretty poor, lyrically at least. there's another track called "Sold" if my memory serves correct, not had a look at the listing for a while... There's plenty more than that but Universal don't have their hands on them
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Post by col on Dec 7, 2018 21:28:22 GMT
There is also the re-recorded version of Paper Plane that was on the B-side of Anniversary Waltz. I think the version of Little Lady on that single was from the NEC.
Anyone know why the version of Backwater that just finishes with no fade (on the French triple album) and the German B-side edit of Drifting Away never saw the re-releases? Along with the fade-in/fade-out version of AB Blues?
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Post by mortified on Dec 8, 2018 9:47:56 GMT
There is also the re-recorded version of Paper Plane that was on the B-side of Anniversary Waltz. I think the version of Little Lady on that single was from the NEC. Anyone know why the version of Backwater that just finishes with no fade (on the French triple album) and the German B-side edit of Drifting Away never saw the re-releases? Along with the fade-in/fade-out version of AB Blues? Just askin'. That version of Backwater was the B-side of the jukebox single of Rock 'n' Roll. Hold You Back was omitted. I only know that because it was on a jukebox in a bar in Ibiza when I was there in 1984! When you're a Quo fan, you never switch off It might just have been a European jukebox issue for all I know. I've looked around for it since but never seen one anywhere.
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Post by gav on Dec 8, 2018 19:03:39 GMT
There is also the re-recorded version of Paper Plane that was on the B-side of Anniversary Waltz. I think the version of Little Lady on that single was from the NEC. Anyone know why the version of Backwater that just finishes with no fade (on the French triple album) and the German B-side edit of Drifting Away never saw the re-releases? Along with the fade-in/fade-out version of AB Blues? Just askin'. Yep that's the one with the overdubbed crowd noise, although i think the recording itself is live with no overdubs. Recorded at Bray Studios in 1989 i think?
What's the title of the French triple album and is it available digitally does anyone know? Does Backwater have the drum segue into JTM or has that been removed?
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 8, 2018 20:07:20 GMT
There is also the re-recorded version of Paper Plane that was on the B-side of Anniversary Waltz. I think the version of Little Lady on that single was from the NEC. Anyone know why the version of Backwater that just finishes with no fade (on the French triple album) and the German B-side edit of Drifting Away never saw the re-releases? Along with the fade-in/fade-out version of AB Blues? Just askin'. Yep that's the one with the overdubbed crowd noise, although i think the recording itself is live with no overdubs. Recorded at Bray Studios in 1989 i think?
What's the title of the French triple album and is it available digitally does anyone know? Does Backwater have the drum segue into JTM or has that been removed?
Yes, Bray Studios during the Anniversary Waltz sessions with crowd noise slapped on. They also did the same with the soundcheck recording of Gerdundula from Stoke '75, however that version wasn't released
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Post by mortified on Dec 9, 2018 9:46:08 GMT
As a sort of aside, these deluxe (re)issues and the recent vinyl collections have become the most interesting Quo releases in recent years for me.
I appreciate that this isn't really what band and management are trying to achieve but for the long term fan and collector, they outdo most of the interminable live releases we've had since 2008. I also accept that they have to move forward in terms of promoting the present rather than the past.
I suppose most long established acts are being given the same treatment these days. The Stones certainly being one. But strength to their arm; they are pulling live performances from way back (70's, 80's and 90's) and putting them on CD and, more significantly, DVD.
And the recent Bowie release from Glastonbury 2000 is a real gem.
I get the impression there is very little filmed material of Quo's 70's gigs in particular. A cleaned up Madrid would be good but I'm not sure how much there actually is of it. Even an audio release would be great. But that ship has sailed I guess.
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Post by mortified on Dec 9, 2018 11:40:56 GMT
Yep that's the one with the overdubbed crowd noise, although i think the recording itself is live with no overdubs. Recorded at Bray Studios in 1989 i think?
What's the title of the French triple album and is it available digitally does anyone know? Does Backwater have the drum segue into JTM or has that been removed?
Yes, Bray Studios during the Anniversary Waltz sessions with crowd noise slapped on. They also did the same with the soundcheck recording of Gerdundula from Stoke '75, however that version wasn't released And all the better for it. A slapped on crowd reaction always sounds like, eh, a slapped on crowd reaction
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 9, 2018 12:28:53 GMT
As a sort of aside, these deluxe (re)issues and the recent vinyl collections have become the most interesting Quo releases in recent years for me. I appreciate that this isn't really what band and management are trying to achieve but for the long term fan and collector, they outdo most of the interminable live releases we've had since 2008. I also accept that they have to move forward in terms of promoting the present rather than the past. I suppose most long established acts are being given the same treatment these days. The Stones certainly being one. But strength to their arm; they are pulling live performances from way back (70's, 80's and 90's) and putting them on CD and, more significantly, DVD. And the recent Bowie release from Glastonbury 2000 is a real gem. I get the impression there is very little filmed material of Quo's 70's gigs in particular. A cleaned up Madrid would be good but I'm not sure how much there actually is of it. Even an audio release would be great. But that ship has sailed I guess. There's nothing from the 70's that we haven't already seen. Beat Club sessions exist, but the company want far too much for the footage. We're very lucky to have gotten the full Is It Really Me / Gotta Go Home footage on the Accept No Substitute DVD. Wembley '74, we've already got that footage... nothing else from that gig. Madrid '75 will only be the broadcast tapes, if those still exist, so it would still be the cut / edited gig. Bingley Hall '77, only the tracks broadcast on TV exist. The full Marquee 1972 footage could exist and it's being hunted down, but it's impossible to find. The tapes with the Bob Young intro and 2 songs do exist, and the full 20+ minute show was listed under a Swedish archive company (I think it was) but no look Cheers
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Post by mortified on Dec 9, 2018 13:20:37 GMT
As a sort of aside, these deluxe (re)issues and the recent vinyl collections have become the most interesting Quo releases in recent years for me. I appreciate that this isn't really what band and management are trying to achieve but for the long term fan and collector, they outdo most of the interminable live releases we've had since 2008. I also accept that they have to move forward in terms of promoting the present rather than the past. I suppose most long established acts are being given the same treatment these days. The Stones certainly being one. But strength to their arm; they are pulling live performances from way back (70's, 80's and 90's) and putting them on CD and, more significantly, DVD. And the recent Bowie release from Glastonbury 2000 is a real gem. I get the impression there is very little filmed material of Quo's 70's gigs in particular. A cleaned up Madrid would be good but I'm not sure how much there actually is of it. Even an audio release would be great. But that ship has sailed I guess. There's nothing from the 70's that we haven't already seen. Beat Club sessions exist, but the company want far too much for the footage. We're very lucky to have gotten the full Is It Really Me / Gotta Go Home footage on the Accept No Substitute DVD. Wembley '74, we've already got that footage... nothing else from that gig. Madrid '75 will only be the broadcast tapes, if those still exist, so it would still be the cut / edited gig. Bingley Hall '77, only the tracks broadcast on TV exist. The full Marquee 1972 footage could exist and it's being hunted down, but it's impossible to find. The tapes with the Bob Young intro and 2 songs do exist, and the full 20+ minute show was listed under a Swedish archive company (I think it was) but no look Cheers Fascinating stuff. Cheers. There is Beat Club footage on a DVD I have called "Beat Club - The Best of '70 II" and it has Quo performing Spinning Wheel Blues. The cover says it came out in 1997. Ages since I watched it, I must admit. There are bits of film of the Madrid gig someone took from the balcony. I'm sure I saw it on YouTube a few years back. It was b&w and I think it was Big Fat Mama and Claudie. It was raw as hell but magnificent. I dare say it's a private individual who has that. I think there's probably quite a lot of stuff in private hands. There is footage from Glasgow Apollo on YouTube but it's not particularly in sync with the music ( Roadhouse Blues) and seems to be sort of pieced together a bit from various sources, including the audio which has probably been added in. But visually it gives a clear indication of the sheer energy of the band back in the mid 70's. It's actually staggering and the passage of time has made me forget just how manic they were on stage. Virtually unique at the time. It's a shame because we're all sort of living on our memories. A visual record of the band at their peak and their very, very best doesn't seem to exist. A massive hole in rock music history I would tentatively suggest.
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 9, 2018 15:44:55 GMT
There's nothing from the 70's that we haven't already seen. Beat Club sessions exist, but the company want far too much for the footage. We're very lucky to have gotten the full Is It Really Me / Gotta Go Home footage on the Accept No Substitute DVD. Wembley '74, we've already got that footage... nothing else from that gig. Madrid '75 will only be the broadcast tapes, if those still exist, so it would still be the cut / edited gig. Bingley Hall '77, only the tracks broadcast on TV exist. The full Marquee 1972 footage could exist and it's being hunted down, but it's impossible to find. The tapes with the Bob Young intro and 2 songs do exist, and the full 20+ minute show was listed under a Swedish archive company (I think it was) but no look Cheers Fascinating stuff. Cheers. There is Beat Club footage on a DVD I have called "Beat Club - The Best of '70 II" and it has Quo performing Spinning Wheel Blues. The cover says it came out in 1997. Ages since I watched it, I must admit. There are bits of film of the Madrid gig someone took from the balcony. I'm sure I saw it on YouTube a few years back. It was b&w and I think it was Big Fat Mama and Claudie. It was raw as hell but magnificent. I dare say it's a private individual who has that. I think there's probably quite a lot of stuff in private hands. There is footage from Glasgow Apollo on YouTube but it's not particularly in sync with the music ( Roadhouse Blues) and seems to be sort of pieced together a bit from various sources, including the audio which has probably been added in. But visually it gives a clear indication of the sheer energy of the band back in the mid 70's. It's actually staggering and the passage of time has made me forget just how manic they were on stage. Virtually unique at the time. It's a shame because we're all sort of living on our memories. A visual record of the band at their peak and their very, very best doesn't seem to exist. A massive hole in rock music history I would tentatively suggest. The Madrid gig was filmed by a Spanish TV company, so RTVE will own it, but apparently after the broadcast in late 2000 the tape was destroyed. The tape was quite damaged anyway and the audio was poorly mixed, so if it does still exist, not much can be done to make it better than it already is. Quo did a whole session with Beat Club in 1970 and only a couple of tracks have ever been released. And, there's no footage of Quo at the Apollo on Youtube, that is just the Madrid footage with coloured overlays and the Apollo audio layered on the top. Quo do have footage from the Apollo gigs but Alan G. Parker has said it's bad, as it'll just be the one camera from behind the drum riser that captured the footage of the balcony. It's a shame non of their gigs were ever caught on 35mm film / Cine Camera... but Quo weren't the band to do anything overly expensive, due to the management wanting more in their own pockets at the time, which is a shame. Wembley '74 was done cheap and was a last minute decision, hence the very sparse footage from the gig and the very shocking audio mix. The management at the time are also at fault for a lot of Quo tapes going missing... nothing was ever kept track of. Would have been great to have had the Tokyo Quo gig in full and remixed in the Live Boxset Cheers
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Post by col on Dec 9, 2018 21:00:17 GMT
There is also the re-recorded version of Paper Plane that was on the B-side of Anniversary Waltz. I think the version of Little Lady on that single was from the NEC. Anyone know why the version of Backwater that just finishes with no fade (on the French triple album) and the German B-side edit of Drifting Away never saw the re-releases? Along with the fade-in/fade-out version of AB Blues? Just askin'. Yep that's the one with the overdubbed crowd noise, although i think the recording itself is live with no overdubs. Recorded at Bray Studios in 1989 i think?
What's the title of the French triple album and is it available digitally does anyone know? Does Backwater have the drum segue into JTM or has that been removed?
The drum segue has been removed
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Post by col on Dec 9, 2018 21:06:55 GMT
There is also the re-recorded version of Paper Plane that was on the B-side of Anniversary Waltz. I think the version of Little Lady on that single was from the NEC. Anyone know why the version of Backwater that just finishes with no fade (on the French triple album) and the German B-side edit of Drifting Away never saw the re-releases? Along with the fade-in/fade-out version of AB Blues? Just askin'. That version of Backwater was the B-side of the jukebox single of Rock 'n' Roll. Hold You Back was omitted. I only know that because it was on a jukebox in a bar in Ibiza when I was there in 1984! When you're a Quo fan, you never switch off It might just have been a European jukebox issue for all I know. I've looked around for it since but never seen one anywhere. I've got that, I will dig it out and let you know.
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Post by col on Dec 9, 2018 21:10:39 GMT
There is also the re-recorded version of Paper Plane that was on the B-side of Anniversary Waltz. I think the version of Little Lady on that single was from the NEC. Anyone know why the version of Backwater that just finishes with no fade (on the French triple album) and the German B-side edit of Drifting Away never saw the re-releases? Along with the fade-in/fade-out version of AB Blues? Just askin'. Yep that's the one with the overdubbed crowd noise, although i think the recording itself is live with no overdubs. Recorded at Bray Studios in 1989 i think?
What's the title of the French triple album and is it available digitally does anyone know? Does Backwater have the drum segue into JTM or has that been removed?
That French box was just called Status Quo, with a live photo on the front. Released in around 1980. Never seen a digital version.
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Post by mortified on Dec 10, 2018 6:02:51 GMT
Fascinating stuff. Cheers. There is Beat Club footage on a DVD I have called "Beat Club - The Best of '70 II" and it has Quo performing Spinning Wheel Blues. The cover says it came out in 1997. Ages since I watched it, I must admit. There are bits of film of the Madrid gig someone took from the balcony. I'm sure I saw it on YouTube a few years back. It was b&w and I think it was Big Fat Mama and Claudie. It was raw as hell but magnificent. I dare say it's a private individual who has that. I think there's probably quite a lot of stuff in private hands. There is footage from Glasgow Apollo on YouTube but it's not particularly in sync with the music ( Roadhouse Blues) and seems to be sort of pieced together a bit from various sources, including the audio which has probably been added in. But visually it gives a clear indication of the sheer energy of the band back in the mid 70's. It's actually staggering and the passage of time has made me forget just how manic they were on stage. Virtually unique at the time. It's a shame because we're all sort of living on our memories. A visual record of the band at their peak and their very, very best doesn't seem to exist. A massive hole in rock music history I would tentatively suggest. And, there's no footage of Quo at the Apollo on Youtube, that is just the Madrid footage with coloured overlays and the Apollo audio layered on the top. Quo do have footage from the Apollo gigs but Alan G. Parker has said it's bad, as it'll just be the one camera from behind the drum riser that captured the footage of the balcony. Thanks for that. The only reason I thought it was the Apollo was because of the height of the stage. The worst seat you could have in there was front row! But ta for clearing that up. Again, fascinating stuff.
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Post by col on Dec 11, 2018 16:41:39 GMT
As a tag-on, anyone know why The Power Of Rock single wasn't in the box sets?
They've included the other songs that were given catalogue numbers but were pulled before release.
Just askin'.
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