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Post by blueeyedladyrocks on May 24, 2018 14:33:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 14:46:13 GMT
I much prefer the FF version of Backwater, any day of the week. Alan's voice just 'fits', Rhino's doesn't work for me.
Hard to compare what the band themselves sound like, the quality of the recent video isn't that great. I wouldn't have brought it back into the set personally, without Rick or Alan it just doesn't work IMO.
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Post by blueeyedladyrocks on May 24, 2018 15:57:56 GMT
i agree they should go for newer material, Gravy Train, Bad News (as Rhino performed those very well on his recent tour).
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Post by Quoincidence on May 24, 2018 17:23:54 GMT
I truly don't like the drumming, or Rhinos voice! Not for me. Not a fan of the guitar sounds either
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Post by craydarr on May 24, 2018 19:00:56 GMT
The difference in quality probably doesn't help, Ive only had a quick flick thru tho. will watch it over the weekend and get more of an idea.
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Post by Rob on May 24, 2018 20:59:42 GMT
The current band should leave such songs well and truly alone. Concentrate on promoting the music of more recent times instead of destroying the classics which were so brilliantly brought back to us in 13/14 as we want to hear them in a live setting.
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Post by Rob on May 24, 2018 21:14:50 GMT
I just watched the FF clip and noticed something for the first time. If you go to approx 4:30 (go full screen) and watch for Spud losing one of his sticks, he then seems to be able to pluck another from nowhere but looks seriously pissed off with himself as he struggles to get the rhythm back. The technician then seems to appear in the background holding up the lost stick  Good old Spud, proper Quo. |
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Post by Rob on May 24, 2018 21:29:33 GMT
Just watched the other version. The only part that carries any merit is the FR solo. The rest of it is desperately poor and no better than a pub band performance
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Post by Quoincidence on May 24, 2018 23:48:21 GMT
Just noticed theyre doing what they did in 1996... going from the B note to sustaining the A whilst Richie does the Mystery Song intro. All out of new ideas I guess
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Post by snakelady on May 25, 2018 7:06:30 GMT
Quality of playing is probably fine from what you can tell from the video. I love the solo - I so miss the beautiful long solos of old, one of the things that attracted me to Quo. But - and I'm repeating myself here - Rhino is a very good bass player, but he just shouldn't sing - at least with Quo. It's ok with his own band - people know what they're getting when attending a RR gig, but why insist on singing with Quo ? There is nothing to prove, Rhino, other than that you're not suited for it. I can't sing either, so I leave it to others who're better at it (basically everybody ). Please do the same  . |
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Post by Isaac Ryan on May 30, 2018 14:41:39 GMT
I had to check which board i was on there for a minute.
It goes without saying FF for me no doubt, but CQ not as bad as some make out.
I agree vocals aren't right should have left well alone.
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Post by johns on May 31, 2018 10:28:41 GMT
Really don't get the criticism of Rhino's vocals. Bad News is fantastic, as is Run and Hide and even Centrefold is good. The original version of Gravy Train is so much better with Rhino's vocals than Rick's.
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Post by smokie on May 31, 2018 12:08:35 GMT
Whether you like this version or not, I think it just confirms how hard it will be for the band to change the set.
They don't change it, they get criticised, they do change it and they get criticised.
Can't win either way.
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Post by blueeyedladyrocks on May 31, 2018 14:54:20 GMT
Whether you like this version or not, I think it just confirms how hard it will be for the band to change the set.
They don't change it, they get criticised, they do change it and they get criticised.
Can't win either way.
hard to change - really... they can win very easily.... play something post '86, but Rossi is to damn lazy.. The criticism will go straight away.
Play Bad news, gravy train, jam side down etc, all sung well by Rhino when i saw him live recently, but he totally destroys Backwater/Rain/Again & Again. Rossi doesnt do nostalgia, but he brings back Backwater, BFM, a fuller version of MS, i would really like to ask him why...
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Post by coldwarkid on May 31, 2018 15:30:13 GMT
Whether you like this version or not, I think it just confirms how hard it will be for the band to change the set.
They don't change it, they get criticised, they do change it and they get criticised.
Can't win either way.
Rossi doesnt do nostalgia, but he brings back Backwater, BFM, a fuller version of MS, i would really like to ask him why...
Because these are the songs that will attract what is left of the loyal hardcore who still go to gigs come what may because they love the music and can leave the politics to one side. Anything post EOTR would be of little of no interest and probably half the songs they would barely know. It's an intelligent business move to sell seats. |
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Post by blueeyedladyrocks on May 31, 2018 15:40:30 GMT
Rossi doesnt do nostalgia, but he brings back Backwater, BFM, a fuller version of MS, i would really like to ask him why...
Because these are the songs that will attract what is left of the loyal hardcore who still go to gigs come what may because they love the music and can leave the politics to one side. Anything post EOTR would be of little of no interest and probably half the songs they would barely know. It's an intelligent business move to sell seats. Sorry, i have to disagree, no hardcore fan would want to go and see Rhino sing Backwater...
Who mentioned politics ?
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Post by coldwarkid on May 31, 2018 15:53:14 GMT
I've been hardcore since '75 and still go to see them and I know plenty of others who do, the ticket sales figures despite being castigated by so many can't be put down to just casuals going to hear the hits. For many hardcore the band politics has overshadowed the music since the 80s and especially since Rick's death but for me I still love hearing the songs live and with Richie coming more to the fore hopefully Rhino's vocal contributions will diminish.
It just depends how much importance you place on live music and how much on the "purity" of the original.
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Post by snakelady on May 31, 2018 19:59:55 GMT
Whether you like this version or not, I think it just confirms how hard it will be for the band to change the set.
They don't change it, they get criticised, they do change it and they get criticised.
Can't win either way.
You're right of course - the band will get criticised no matter what they do. There's criticism and then there's criticism though. One comes from those who just don't like this line-up/Francis/Rhino .. These former fans wouldn't go to a gig whatever the band plays, how they play or who sings what. They'll always find something to criticise despite not having witnessed it live. In consequence there's absolutely no reason why the band should listen to or take anything to heart what they're saying. They're not customers of the band. Then there's criticism from those who still go to gigs and buy new Quo product. From a business POV it would be a wise move to take note of what these people want, because they are customers and the band has to consider if they can afford losing them. (Note to band management: that's us on here ) On the other hand - the band constantly loses fans and wins over new fans. So in the end it's down to the overall balance of numbers and what is considered the safest route. Inevitably that'll lead to compromises, real or assumed ones, and trial and error - because nobody can actually know absolute figures, how many like or dislike any given song. My personal view is, that the choice of songs isn't that important really and how many punters know them beforehand. What matters most is the quality of performance. A barnstorming performance will carry the gig, even one completely without hits. And I happen to think Status Quo is still capable of such a performance. The hits subtract from it actually because of their over-familiarity and don't add to it. Guess that's not what's considered 'playing it safe' though. |
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Post by mortified on Jun 4, 2018 7:40:13 GMT
Just looked at/listened to these for the first time. First of all, great to see Backwater in the set. End of for me. Alan's vocals are obviously missed but I remember when Rick sang the song years back exactly the same criticism was being thrown at the band. Rhino does as good a job now as Rick did then. And both are/were perfectly reasonable. Especially so if you're at the gig and being carried along by the fact that the song is actually in there. It's quite easy to analyse various nuances after the fact and at a much lower volume. The FF version here is better by virtue of the fact that Alan is singing and, more importantly, the sound is clearly of a higher quality. Personally, I'm just happy that the song is in the set. The crowd evidently are as well.  |
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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 4, 2018 16:35:51 GMT
Just looked at/listened to these for the first time. First of all, great to see Backwater in the set. End of for me. Alan's vocals are obviously missed but I remember when Rick sang the song years back exactly the same criticism was being thrown at the band. Rhino does as good a job now as Rick did then. And both are/were perfectly reasonable. Especially so if you're at the gig and being carried along by the fact that the song is actually in there. It's quite easy to analyse various nuances after the fact and at a much lower volume. The FF version here is better by virtue of the fact that Alan is singing and, more importantly, the sound is clearly of a higher quality. Personally, I'm just happy that the song is in the set. The crowd evidently are as well. Thing is, Rick could sing... Rhino can't The version the band did in the mid 90s and early 2000s would have been better had the keys not been so high in the mix... Literally drowned out the quiet section during the intro, and far too loud in general |
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Post by mortified on Jun 5, 2018 9:03:02 GMT
Just looked at/listened to these for the first time. First of all, great to see Backwater in the set. End of for me. Alan's vocals are obviously missed but I remember when Rick sang the song years back exactly the same criticism was being thrown at the band. Rhino does as good a job now as Rick did then. And both are/were perfectly reasonable. Especially so if you're at the gig and being carried along by the fact that the song is actually in there. It's quite easy to analyse various nuances after the fact and at a much lower volume. The FF version here is better by virtue of the fact that Alan is singing and, more importantly, the sound is clearly of a higher quality. Personally, I'm just happy that the song is in the set. The crowd evidently are as well. Thing is, Rick could sing... Rhino can't The version the band did in the mid 90s and early 2000s would have been better had the keys not been so high in the mix... Literally drowned out the quiet section during the intro, and far too loud in generalI tend to go along with that. Songs, particularly older songs, that never had obvious keyboards in them originally I think become a bit watered down when they're added now. Although I still like it, I've always thought that about Caroline for example. But it's been the present version for so long, many people don't even realise! Conversely, that doesn't seem to apply to the harmonica. When it was added to In My Chair a few years back, I thought it worked really well. I remember one review of the Milton Keynes gig - might have been in Kerrang! - where the writer loved the gig but referred to Andy's contribution as "Hammond farts" that got in the way So even then, there was debate. Andy is a fabulous musician but there are times when Quo don't use him properly. More so in the 80's and 90's to be fair. |
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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 5, 2018 16:21:31 GMT
Thing is, Rick could sing... Rhino can't The version the band did in the mid 90s and early 2000s would have been better had the keys not been so high in the mix... Literally drowned out the quiet section during the intro, and far too loud in generalI tend to go along with that. Songs, particularly older songs, that never had obvious keyboards in them originally I think become a bit watered down when they're added now. Although I still like it, I've always thought that about Caroline for example. But it's been the present version for so long, many people don't even realise! Conversely, that doesn't seem to apply to the harmonica. When it was added to In My Chair a few years back, I thought it worked really well. I remember one review of the Milton Keynes gig - might have been in Kerrang! - where the writer loved the gig but referred to Andy's contribution as "Hammond farts" that got in the way So even then, there was debate. Andy is a fabulous musician but there are times when Quo don't use him properly. More so in the 80's and 90's to be fair. Andy is fabulous no doubt about that, but since somepoint in the 90s, he's been very loud in the mix His playing during Backwater @ the Milton Keynes gig isn't too noticeable on the official mix, and bootleg, and during Just Take Me other than playing a cowbell I don't think he played at all... but he might just be very buried in the mix. He did some amazing piano work on Going Down Town Tonight (re-recorded version) which is covered by the synths... you can still hear it here and there |
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