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Post by noproblems on Aug 7, 2019 20:58:27 GMT
A lot of mistakes were made last year, IMO - mainly the fact that they continued to play gigs nearly straight away after their usual winter break. IMO they had to. Cancellation of shows was not an option just because someone who used to be in the band died. When Rick suffered his heart attack in 2016, Quo management spun the line that the band didn't want to let the fans down. Closer to the truth is that they would suffer huge financial loss to the point of bankruptcy if they had to cancel shows. Usually when a band member falls ill and is unable to perform, the show gets cancelled and insurance picks up the tab. And usually when insurance is written, high risk exclusion clauses are built in to the contract. Rick was high risk - he had a history of heart attacks - so that would have been an exclusion clause. As luck would have it, Freddie Edwards was available and damage was linited to one cancelled show. Many people have criticsed Francis very unfairly (IMO) for not cancelling shows after Rick's death, but what was he supposed to do? Commit himself to financial ruin? Even Rick would have said the shows must go on.
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Post by pressbutton on Aug 8, 2019 12:33:41 GMT
I've been to some JCQ gigs since Rick's death where John has criticised Francis' lack of mention of Rick during the gigs. Not that it means they are at loggerheads, John is just being honest in his opinion. Why should Francis mention Rick in any gigs? Why talk about someone who's not there? You're a bit behind mate - this post was from 16 months ago!
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Post by snakelady on Aug 11, 2019 6:39:01 GMT
A lot of mistakes were made last year, IMO - mainly the fact that they continued to play gigs nearly straight away after their usual winter break. IMO they had to. Cancellation of shows was not an option just because someone who used to be in the band died. When Rick suffered his heart attack in 2016, Quo management spun the line that the band didn't want to let the fans down. Closer to the truth is that they would suffer huge financial loss to the point of bankruptcy if they had to cancel shows. Usually when a band member falls ill and is unable to perform, the show gets cancelled and insurance picks up the tab. And usually when insurance is written, high risk exclusion clauses are built in to the contract. Rick was high risk - he had a history of heart attacks - so that would have been an exclusion clause. As luck would have it, Freddie Edwards was available and damage was linited to one cancelled show. Many people have criticsed Francis very unfairly (IMO) for not cancelling shows after Rick's death, but what was he supposed to do? Commit himself to financial ruin? Even Rick would have said the shows must go on. I agree with most of this and it'll have been the reason why the Last Night Of The Electrics tour had to go ahead. What I was talking about was 2017. Maybe gigs/tours are booked well over a year in advance and they didn't have much of a choice either, but I just felt the band should've been given a few months off the road to come to grips with Rick's passing and to have time to really consider what they want. Same as the fans basically, only for them it was much more personal .. I fully understood why Francis didn't talk about Rick on stage - wasn't able to - instead of uttering the phrases expected from him and shed a few tears just so the fans could see he was sad. That would've been show and insincere IMO. And Francis just isn't one to mix his private with the public persona and he did indeed need time. From the general fans' perspective though it seemed as if the band continued just like that, as if Rick had never existed. Not sure two fans could agree what exactly they should've done, and it's not for them to decide anyway, I just feel they should've done something at the gigs if they were unable to cancel ..
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Aug 11, 2019 18:37:47 GMT
IMO they had to. Cancellation of shows was not an option just because someone who used to be in the band died. When Rick suffered his heart attack in 2016, Quo management spun the line that the band didn't want to let the fans down. Closer to the truth is that they would suffer huge financial loss to the point of bankruptcy if they had to cancel shows. Usually when a band member falls ill and is unable to perform, the show gets cancelled and insurance picks up the tab. And usually when insurance is written, high risk exclusion clauses are built in to the contract. Rick was high risk - he had a history of heart attacks - so that would have been an exclusion clause. As luck would have it, Freddie Edwards was available and damage was linited to one cancelled show. Many people have criticsed Francis very unfairly (IMO) for not cancelling shows after Rick's death, but what was he supposed to do? Commit himself to financial ruin? Even Rick would have said the shows must go on. I agree with most of this and it'll have been the reason why the Last Night Of The Electrics tour had to go ahead. What I was talking about was 2017. Maybe gigs/tours are booked well over a year in advance and they didn't have much of a choice either, but I just felt the band should've been given a few months off the road to come to grips with Rick's passing and to have time to really consider what they want. Same as the fans basically, only for them it was much more personal .. I fully understood why Francis didn't talk about Rick on stage - wasn't able to - instead of uttering the phrases expected from him and shed a few tears just so the fans could see he was sad. That would've been show and insincere IMO. And Francis just isn't one to mix his private with the public persona and he did indeed need time. From the general fans' perspective though it seemed as if the band continued just like that, as if Rick had never existed. Not sure two fans could agree what exactly they should've done, and it's not for them to decide anyway, I just feel they should've done something at the gigs if they were unable to cancel .. Before Rick died Francis said in an Interview that Rick (or someone else) did not want him being mentioned at gigs. I think this carried on after he died, there was and still is a lot of legal things going on in the background (Ricks Guitar not being at his funeral is a good indication of something being wrong). So I think this is part of the problem.
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Post by snakelady on Aug 12, 2019 5:22:27 GMT
I agree with most of this and it'll have been the reason why the Last Night Of The Electrics tour had to go ahead. What I was talking about was 2017. Maybe gigs/tours are booked well over a year in advance and they didn't have much of a choice either, but I just felt the band should've been given a few months off the road to come to grips with Rick's passing and to have time to really consider what they want. Same as the fans basically, only for them it was much more personal .. I fully understood why Francis didn't talk about Rick on stage - wasn't able to - instead of uttering the phrases expected from him and shed a few tears just so the fans could see he was sad. That would've been show and insincere IMO. And Francis just isn't one to mix his private with the public persona and he did indeed need time. From the general fans' perspective though it seemed as if the band continued just like that, as if Rick had never existed. Not sure two fans could agree what exactly they should've done, and it's not for them to decide anyway, I just feel they should've done something at the gigs if they were unable to cancel .. Before Rick died Francis said in an Interview that Rick (or someone else) did not want him being mentioned at gigs. I think this carried on after he died, there was and still is a lot of legal things going on in the background (Ricks Guitar not being at his funeral is a good indication of somehting being wrong). So I think this is part of the problem. You're certainly right. Rick obviously hadn't planned ahead for his worst case scenario and without a will everything connected to him came to a standstill and assets were probably frozen. Kids from three different marriages and property (and debts ?) spread over at least two countries with different laws .. Guess they're still busy sorting through all this. I hope at least the families have come to their senses and found a solution together. I'd not bet on it though, but legal battles over who gets what would subtract even more from the little that's left behind. Concerning the band there might've been court orders preventing them from using anything (films, photos ..) connected to Rick till rights have/had been passed on to one part of the family or other. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, but the way Rick was wired he left chaos behind and they're still wading through it.
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Post by pressbutton on Aug 14, 2019 12:15:16 GMT
Before Rick died Francis said in an Interview that Rick (or someone else) did not want him being mentioned at gigs. I think this carried on after he died, there was and still is a lot of legal things going on in the background (Ricks Guitar not being at his funeral is a good indication of somehting being wrong). So I think this is part of the problem. You're certainly right. Rick obviously hadn't planned ahead for his worst case scenario and without a will everything connected to him came to a standstill and assets were probably frozen. Kids from three different marriages and property (and debts ?) spread over at least two countries with different laws .. Guess they're still busy sorting through all this. I hope at least the families have come to their senses and found a solution together. I'd not bet on it though, but legal battles over who gets what would subtract even more from the little that's left behind. Concerning the band there might've been court orders preventing them from using anything (films, photos ..) connected to Rick till rights have/had been passed on to one part of the family or other. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, but the way Rick was wired he left chaos behind and they're still wading through it. I have a friend who many years ago was living with her partner, they bought a house together that each drew up a will to give their half to the other in the event of their deaths. My friend was also the beneficiary of his insurance policy - also in the will. When he died, his grown up daughter contested the will and my friend had to fight her for what had been legally gifted to her. OVer the course of several years, the inheritance dwindled due to paying lawyers fees from it. I'm not sure what else could have been done to safeguard my friend's inheritance, but the will seemed to be useless when challenged.
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