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Post by Rockinon on Apr 8, 2018 17:18:13 GMT
I often wonder if they are still on talking terms following the FF Reunions. Does anyone know?
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Post by snakelady on Apr 9, 2018 10:56:05 GMT
Francis had nothing but praise for John on the second reunion tour and John talked positively about him too. Unlike Alan John never saw a return to the FF as a permanent solution IMO. So why shouldn't they ?
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Post by craydarr on Apr 16, 2018 11:13:21 GMT
Wasn’t there a little spat this year where Fran said in an interview he didn’t think John was physically able to keep it up had they continued. John replied via Twitter/ Facebook saying there was no problem with him continuing?
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 17, 2018 15:53:38 GMT
Wasn’t there a little spat this year where Fran said in an interview he didn’t think John was physically able to keep it up had they continued. John replied via Twitter/ Facebook saying there was no problem with him continuing? I don't think John replied to Francis' comments regarding Johns drumming ability / playing on the reunion tours, but not long after those comments Francis fell ill (Karma?) and John simply wished him a speedy recovery. But his comments, as usual, are unnecessary... Fair enough the first reunion tour (in my eyes) wasn't the best because they had 2 weeks of rehearsals, when clearly more were needed... 2014 however, the band were on another level, and John was looking and playing much better than the previous tour
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Post by snakelady on Apr 18, 2018 7:25:49 GMT
Wasn’t there a little spat this year where Fran said in an interview he didn’t think John was physically able to keep it up had they continued. John replied via Twitter/ Facebook saying there was no problem with him continuing? I don't think John replied to Francis' comments regarding Johns drumming ability / playing on the reunion tours, but not long after those comments Francis fell ill (Karma?) and John simply wished him a speedy recovery. But his comments, as usual, are unnecessary... Fair enough the first reunion tour (in my eyes) wasn't the best because they had 2 weeks of rehearsals, when clearly more were needed... 2014 however, the band were on another level, and John was looking and playing much better than the previous tour Yep, in 2014 the playing was so much better and Francis - as opposed to 2013 - kept praising John in interviews. Sadly it didn't matter really. The magic and love had disappeared from the stage .. IMO.
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Post by pressbutton on Apr 18, 2018 11:51:56 GMT
I've been to some JCQ gigs since Rick's death where John has criticised Francis' lack of mention of Rick during the gigs. Not that it means they are at loggerheads, John is just being honest in his opinion.
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Post by snakelady on Apr 19, 2018 6:22:51 GMT
I've been to some JCQ gigs since Rick's death where John has criticised Francis' lack of mention of Rick during the gigs. Not that it means they are at loggerheads, John is just being honest in his opinion. If he really did that, John has just dropped a lot in my estimation ! That would've been a really cheap shot. Who's he to tell others publicly on a stage how they've got to express their feelings ? He'd not be the only one to behave like that and he'd know that, probably says it for those too. All this criticising Francis for talking about John's playing, but it's ok John talks about Francis' way to show emotions ? I actually consider the last one a lot worse as that's private, whereas the playing abilities of band members do have a direct impact for an audience .. Really hope you misheard !
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Post by pressbutton on Apr 19, 2018 11:43:48 GMT
I've been to some JCQ gigs since Rick's death where John has criticised Francis' lack of mention of Rick during the gigs. Not that it means they are at loggerheads, John is just being honest in his opinion. If he really did that, John has just dropped a lot in my estimation ! That would've been a really cheap shot. Who's he to tell others publicly on a stage how they've got to express their feelings ? He'd not be the only one to behave like that and he'd know that, probably says it for those too. All this criticising Francis for talking about John's playing, but it's ok John talks about Francis' way to show emotions ? I actually consider the last one a lot worse as that's private, whereas the playing abilities of band members do have a direct impact for an audience .. Really hope you misheard ! No, I can assure you that I didn't. He said something about it on stage at the Brook in Southampton this February. John mentioned Rick a couple of times during the gig, but this was after the interval when he was stood at the front of the stage doing his usual talk bit, and he said something along the lines of not being able to understand Francis not saying anything about Rick.
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Post by mortified on Apr 19, 2018 15:08:34 GMT
I get the impression that everyone wants to have their say; it's the never-ending socially communicative world we now live in. But Francis would prefer not to. It's just the way he is. I respect that. Totally.
At first, I found it quite odd that there was barely an acknowledgement of Rick (Francis did say during the 2017 winter gigs that it had been a "difficult year" but no more than that). However, nerves were raw at the start and, in retrospect, I now think it was inappropriate to say or do anything more on stage during a Status Quo gig.
The release of Over And Out has put the spotlight firmly on Rick in his own right. The way it should be. He's not been forgotten. He never will be. I don't need anyone, not even Francis telling me how to feel or how to grieve. It's personal.
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Post by Rob on Apr 19, 2018 17:23:44 GMT
Wasn’t there a little spat this year where Fran said in an interview he didn’t think John was physically able to keep it up had they continued. John replied via Twitter/ Facebook saying there was no problem with him continuing? Rumour has it, it was actually Gillie who responded to Francis following his dig at JC
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Post by coldwarkid on Apr 19, 2018 18:37:10 GMT
Wasn’t there a little spat this year where Fran said in an interview he didn’t think John was physically able to keep it up had they continued. John replied via Twitter/ Facebook saying there was no problem with him continuing? Rumour has it, it was actually Gillie who responded to Francis following his dig at JC It's not a rumour, she did indeed respond but in the way you would expect from the wonderful Gillie, with good humour, grace and the style of someone who really understands what being an original rock chick means.
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Post by insider on Apr 20, 2018 18:02:24 GMT
Francis and John are not talking.
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Post by Rob on Apr 23, 2018 20:38:25 GMT
Francis and John are not talking. An outsider would have pessimism on the validity of your comment(s) so they most likely carry no weight whatsoever :psst:
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Post by snakelady on Apr 24, 2018 7:02:45 GMT
Some of us on here also just couldn't understand Francis not saying anything about Rick during those first gigs of the LNOTE tour 2017, and we also got criticised by other members for doing so. People can't be told how to deal with loss and grief "properly". That's a given. I'm not sure John talked about Francis' way of showing emotions, snakelady , rather the opposite, i.e. not mentioning Rick, his partner of 50 years in any way whatsoever. We do know a bit more these days about what went on behind closed doors over recent years, but a lot of fans felt the band should have acknowledged Rick on stage in some way, at least at the beginning of their LNOTE tour last year. I agree, though, John should have kept quiet about what he thought about Francis and the band not saying anything, but it couldn't (and can't) be expected from the fans. A lot of mistakes were made last year, IMO - mainly the fact that they continued to play gigs nearly straight away after their usual winter break. I still think it was wrong to criticise Francis for not saying something on stage. After the recent RMC interview you've put up I more than ever think it had hit him that much that he wasn't able to. That interview gave the first impression how much it had gotten to him. I can understand though, why some would feel like that, but it's something else for John to now do it up on a stage to appeal to the audience. As going by Dawn's post, that's exactly what he did. Comes across a lot more false and calculating to talk about Rick at every gig since his passing, which is well over a year now, for the audience's sake IMO ..
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Post by mortified on Apr 24, 2018 7:21:00 GMT
Some of us on here also just couldn't understand Francis not saying anything about Rick during those first gigs of the LNOTE tour 2017, and we also got criticised by other members for doing so. People can't be told how to deal with loss and grief "properly". That's a given. I'm not sure John talked about Francis' way of showing emotions, snakelady , rather the opposite, i.e. not mentioning Rick, his partner of 50 years in any way whatsoever. We do know a bit more these days about what went on behind closed doors over recent years, but a lot of fans felt the band should have acknowledged Rick on stage in some way, at least at the beginning of their LNOTE tour last year. I agree, though, John should have kept quiet about what he thought about Francis and the band not saying anything, but it couldn't (and can't) be expected from the fans. A lot of mistakes were made last year, IMO - mainly the fact that they continued to play gigs nearly straight away after their usual winter break. I still think it was wrong to criticise Francis for not saying something on stage. After the recent RMC interview you've put up I more than ever think it had hit him that much that he wasn't able to. That interview gave the first impression how much it had gotten to him. I can understand though, why some would feel like that, but it's something else for John to now do it up on a stage to appeal to the audience. As going by Dawn's post, that's exactly what he did. Comes across a lot more false and calculating to talk about Rick at every gig since his passing, which is well over a year now, for the audience's sake IMO .. But he knows his audience
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Post by coldwarkid on Apr 24, 2018 13:08:13 GMT
I am shocked and disgusted at the snide tone of the above two comments. The one thing you could never accuse John of is being "false and calculating", his behaviour since his sacking has been impeccable, always the gentleman and not holding grudges or making unnecessary remarks, something which most definitely cannot be said of Francis. As for the implication that "knowing his audience" is somehow a bad thing and he's using them to score cheap points against Francis, it's utterly ludicrous and a contemptible slur on a truly kind, honest and decent man.
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Post by mortified on Apr 24, 2018 13:36:21 GMT
I am shocked and disgusted at the snide tone of the above two comments. The one thing you could never accuse John of is being "false and calculating", his behaviour since his sacking has been impeccable, always the gentleman and not holding grudges or making unnecessary remarks, something which most definitely cannot be said of Francis. As for the implication that "knowing his audience" is somehow a bad thing and he's using them to score cheap points against Francis, it's utterly ludicrous and a contemptible slur on a truly kind, honest and decent man. I think you're reading too much, certainly into my comment. But that's your prerogative. He most certainly will know his audience. And he will know how to get a round of applause. He's been in the business long enough. It's not cheap points scoring because it's not a competition. Nor is it a bad thing. As for "making unnecessary remarks", depends how you view publicly questioning someone else's personal approach on the issue. Was it "necessary" to say anything at all? I'm not bothered either way. But it's naïve to think knowing the audience won't have been part of that. Not a criticism; just an observation.
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Post by viking55 on Apr 24, 2018 16:26:31 GMT
I am shocked and disgusted at the snide tone of the above two comments. The one thing you could never accuse John of is being "false and calculating", his behaviour since his sacking has been impeccable, always the gentleman and not holding grudges or making unnecessary remarks, something which most definitely cannot be said of Francis. As for the implication that "knowing his audience" is somehow a bad thing and he's using them to score cheap points against Francis, it's utterly ludicrous and a contemptible slur on a truly kind, honest and decent man. Yeah John was sacked. And he even admitted himself that He deserved it ! So nothing to discuss on that score then. As for Francis Silence there is something Dignifide and admiring about keeping personal grief to yourself and not to succom to the whims of others who didn’t even know the deceased on a personal Level ! Apart from buying their output etc...
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 24, 2018 16:41:45 GMT
I am shocked and disgusted at the snide tone of the above two comments. The one thing you could never accuse John of is being "false and calculating", his behaviour since his sacking has been impeccable, always the gentleman and not holding grudges or making unnecessary remarks, something which most definitely cannot be said of Francis. As for the implication that "knowing his audience" is somehow a bad thing and he's using them to score cheap points against Francis, it's utterly ludicrous and a contemptible slur on a truly kind, honest and decent man. Yeah John was sacked. And he even admitted himself that He deserved it ! So nothing to discuss on that score then. As for Francis Silence there is something Dignifide and admiring about keeping personal grief to yourself and not to succom to the whims of others who didn’t even know the deceased on a personal Level ! Apart from buying their output etc... Tbh, he wanted a break at the end of the day... whether that meant leaving the band or the band actually taking time out, I don't think he cared... constantly touring and making albums would wear you out, and the excessive partying. John also has every right to talk about Rick at his gigs... a long time friend who passed away. Far from calculating... simply remembering the good times from the old days and most recent days. Rick and John never had their issues with each other and it's obvious by the fact that Rick was playing with the Diesel band long after John left Quo... same goes for Rick and Alan... sure sh*t went down in the late 80's between them, but by the mid 90's they were talking again. Rossi didn't start talking to Alan again until the late 2000's, and now they aren't even talking again, same with him and John, because he makes unnecessary comments about old band mates... without them he would literally be a nobody probably selling Ice Cream.
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Post by viking55 on Apr 24, 2018 21:05:42 GMT
No arguments from me . Francis unfortunately was there to take the Bullets as Rick just hid behind in the background changing sides if we were honest about it ! But hey-jo All in the distant past. But I’ll turn your final comment around and say without Francis the others would have been in a similar position. Quo were a Collective in the early/ Middle 70 ‘s and each would have been a nobody without the other !
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 24, 2018 21:40:30 GMT
No arguments from me . Francis unfortunately was there to take the Bullets as Rick just hid behind in the background changing sides if we were honest about it ! But hey-jo All in the distant past. But I’ll turn your final comment around and say without Francis the others would have been in a similar position. Quo were a Collective in the early/ Middle 70 ‘s and each would have been a nobody without the other ! You can turn that comment around and I'll agree with you... they would all have been nobodies if it weren't for them all combining to create the chemistry that Quo were built on
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Post by snakelady on Apr 25, 2018 6:44:55 GMT
John can talk about Rick at every gig if he wants to - his choice, his band, his gigs. We can talk about whether we think that's good/necessary/really honest .. whatever. What John should not have done (and on a stage !) is comment on what Francis has been doing (or not) at gigs of his band. That was completely out of order IMVHO and worse than Francis talking about the quality of John's playing in interviews. Both should've kept their opinions to themselves actually ..
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Post by viking55 on Apr 25, 2018 8:40:00 GMT
Agreed Snakelady. I think it was very wrong to dis Francis so publically on a very personal private matter. Doing it very much in public at a gig. Nothing like stocking up the fire it would seem. To be fair John always comes across as a down to earth decent sort of chap. So in retrospect I wonder if he regrets doing it ? I guess at such a time emotions were running high. The fact he introduced Ritchie and let him up on stage at his last gig is an indication that things are settling again I would hope. I sure hope so. Life’s too short and they spent too much time and success together to live what’s left of their lives without reconciling at least as on talking terms ! Surely Ricks death should lay testimony to that if they are living with regrets. They should all learn from it !
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Post by craydarr on Jul 11, 2019 18:50:50 GMT
I read on the other forum a short while ago that John had stated at a gig that he had been to one of Frans talky gigs and really enjoyed it. Even to the point of recommending people should go.
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Post by noproblems on Aug 7, 2019 20:33:45 GMT
I've been to some JCQ gigs since Rick's death where John has criticised Francis' lack of mention of Rick during the gigs. Not that it means they are at loggerheads, John is just being honest in his opinion. Why should Francis mention Rick in any gigs? Why talk about someone who's not there?
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