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Post by snakelady on Apr 24, 2017 7:21:40 GMT
Yes, this is another set list topic .. - but bear with me. The thread about the UK tour suddenly reminded me that Rick's songs are an important part of the acoustic set too. In fact they're a lot more important there than in the electric set. All of his electric songs have long since been past their sell-by date, but for the acoustic set his songs are 'new' and important contributions, some of them at least and it would be a shame to lose them (All The Reasons, Reason For Living ..) although I could well do without Don't Drive My Car and all songs included in the electric set too. I'm aware they'll have to put together a new set list anyway to include at least part of the A2 songs. I'd have loved to hear Backwater and Resurrection, but now I wonder what they're going to do with all these songs sung by Rick ? Simply not play any of them - I doubt that, as it would put too much strain on Francis. Rhino's is definitely not an acoustic voice, so that leaves Andy, Leon and maybe Ritchie to do some singing - to take over some of Rick's songs. Only acoustically a different voice stands out far more than during an electric gig. WYW will stay, I'm sure and Andy will continue to sing it - and I'm fine with that - but what else do we expect ?
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Post by mortified on Apr 24, 2017 7:34:43 GMT
I don't think they can just ignore Rick's songs. They're an integral part of any Quo set. I think the vocals will be split between Andy and Rhino just like they are in the electric set. However, I can see the more obscure songs like All The Reasons and Reason For Living being ditched. Which is a pity. Love those ones. Then again, I'm wrong about most things It will be interesting to see if songs like Backwater or Resurrection are included. Or even Mystery Song which works brilliantly. Its not an easy decision for them, to be fair. But the irony is that we're talking about the fact that we have no idea what the set list is likely to be (apart from the usual suspects). How many times have we said that in recent years?
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Post by smokie on Apr 24, 2017 10:54:27 GMT
I sometimes now think that continuing touring wasn't the right thing to do.
I understand the bit about fulfilling contracts which is fair enough but booking new tours is beginning to sit a little uneasy with me now.
I've only ever been to one Aquostic show and some of the best parts of the evening (for me) were songs sung by Rick (including the two mentioned above). Most of my favourite songs from A2 (and there aren't many) are sung, were sung, by Rick too and who's to sing what, just emphasis that things just aren't the same anymore.
I had more or less made my mind up that I wouldn't be going to anymore electric shows and I'm now beginning to thing the same re Aquostic.
Perhaps I've got the Monday morning blues, I don't know but I now think I don't want to see Quo without Rick.
I may feel differently tomorrow.
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Post by quodlibet aka granny on Apr 24, 2017 11:50:06 GMT
Wolverhampton Civic for me!
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Post by mortified on Apr 24, 2017 12:34:57 GMT
I was really surprised I must admit. They did say they'd be taking the acoustic thing forward but the landscape has changed beyond recognition since that decision was taken.
It doesn't sit that easy with me either, I must admit. I'm seeing them in Barcelona in June and I'm happy to go to gigs that are 'fulfilling' obligations or letting people elsewhere see them. But carrying on as if nothing had happened like booking yet another UK winter tour?
However, I'm also not that naive to think that I'm the market these days. I'm not. In that respect their deliberate policy of seeking a broader mass audience has worked a treat. So I and quite a few others would not be missed. In the end, its my decision.
And I'll take it soon.
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Post by smokie on Apr 24, 2017 15:03:32 GMT
That first sentence, that's what I'm struggling with too to be honest. I know life goes on etc but it just seems a bit much to me.
I've long come to the conclusion that in general, the fans on here are not really their target audience. I think they are happy to cater for the "let's go and have a night out" type of folk because being honest, there's more of them than what there are of us. If the band were to rely on us for an audience, then they'd be playing places the size of that place in Finland.
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Post by kursaal75 on Apr 24, 2017 15:34:20 GMT
I've finished with the band now and quite happy to get my Quo fix, with John Coghlans Quo and tribute band's, like Stated Quo. I went to 2 Aquostic concerts, The Roundhouse & The Royal Albert Hall and enjoyed both, but that's my lot. I wonder if the 2 girl backing singers, would be considered for a lead vocal on any of Rick's tracks.
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Post by snakelady on Apr 24, 2017 16:18:28 GMT
That first sentence, that's what I'm struggling with too to be honest. I know life goes on etc but it just seems a bit much to me.
I've long come to the conclusion that in general, the fans on here are not really their target audience. I think they are happy to cater for the "let's go and have a night out" type of folk because being honest, there's more of them than what there are of us. If the band were to rely on us for an audience, then they'd be playing places the size of that place in Finland.
The thing is, despite that we are a target group too - when it comes to selling stuff - videos, records, it's us, who buys it and not the hits fans. So in a way we still are important customers and it would be nice if that was acknowledged by giving us something in the set as well. They could even leave all the hits in for their main gigs target audience, but 4-5 new (!) album songs in and out each tour would still leave enough room for those and would make us happy too. Oh well, we've been there a 100 times before ! And they might actually find out on this leg of the LNOTE tour what audiences without us are like .. Back to the question of the acoustic set though - that's an interesting idea kursaal75 , hadn't thought about that before. Maybe not completely on their own but taking over part of the song, the verses say and sing the chorus with one of the guys ? IMO they don't get away with this not changing anything in the LNOTE set, kind of pretending nothing has happened and Rick was still there, and they won't get away with that strategy for the acoustic set either. As they can't change what happened anyway and while I fully understand that the others might want to continue, they've got to draw consequences. It's not the same band without Rick any more. They are forced to change, so why not do it wholeheartedly and try out new things ?
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Post by smokie on Apr 24, 2017 21:41:22 GMT
That first sentence, that's what I'm struggling with too to be honest. I know life goes on etc but it just seems a bit much to me.
I've long come to the conclusion that in general, the fans on here are not really their target audience. I think they are happy to cater for the "let's go and have a night out" type of folk because being honest, there's more of them than what there are of us. If the band were to rely on us for an audience, then they'd be playing places the size of that place in Finland.
The thing is, despite that we are a target group too - when it comes to selling stuff - videos, records, it's us, who buys it and not the hits fans. So in a way we still are important customers and it would be nice if that was acknowledged by giving us something in the set as well. They could even leave all the hits in for their main gigs target audience, but 4-5 new (!) album songs in and out each tour would still leave enough room for those and would make us happy too. Oh well, we've been there a 100 times before ! And they might actually find out on this leg of the LNOTE tour what audiences without us are like .. Think that is a very good point regarding us being a target group too when it comes to selling stuff. May I use the dreaded term "hard core?" That's all of us on here, isn't it? And I'd imagine it's this group who still regularly buy the majority of any new item that is released and it would be appreciated if they'd throw in 4 or 5 new songs in the set as a way of a thank you. I'm not saying that they take the audience for granted intentionally but it does feel that way sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 0:11:48 GMT
I sometimes now think that continuing touring wasn't the right thing to do.
I understand the bit about fulfilling contracts which is fair enough but booking new tours is beginning to sit a little uneasy with me now.
I've only ever been to one Aquostic show and some of the best parts of the evening (for me) were songs sung by Rick (including the two mentioned above). Most of my favourite songs from A2 (and there aren't many) are sung, were sung, by Rick too and who's to sing what, just emphasis that things just aren't the same anymore.
I had more or less made my mind up that I wouldn't be going to anymore electric shows and I'm now beginning to thing the same re Aquostic.
Perhaps I've got the Monday morning blues, I don't know but I now think I don't want to see Quo without Rick.
I may feel differently tomorrow.
I totally get where you're coming from. Currently holed up in a Premier Inn in Birkenhead (grim), you tube and Quo videos are the only things keeping me sane. Love watching clips of Milton Keynes, Hammersmith, etc, almost seems unreal that Rick's gone TBH. Quo will never be the same without him, of that I've no doubt. Life does go on though whether we like it or not.. Rossi, Rhino, Andy and the boys have more talent than most of the other musical options these days IMO. For that reason alone I'm going to get me a ticket for Manchester, unplugged or not I've no doubt I'll have a great time leaping around to Caroline, HYB, Burning Bridges and the like. Great music played well, what's not to like? If I don't like it I've lost the price of a ticket, I can live with that. I totally respect and understand your point of view. Hopefully you'll change your mind, give me a shout if you do, first beers on me.
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Post by smokie on Apr 25, 2017 7:14:42 GMT
Thanks for that Bam, many a wise word written in that reply.
"Rossi, Rhino, Andy and the boys have more talent than most of the other musical options these days IMO" think you are 100% spot on there.
If I do change my mind, then I shall certainly let you know
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Post by mortified on Apr 25, 2017 8:43:49 GMT
That first sentence, that's what I'm struggling with too to be honest. I know life goes on etc but it just seems a bit much to me.
I've long come to the conclusion that in general, the fans on here are not really their target audience. I think they are happy to cater for the "let's go and have a night out" type of folk because being honest, there's more of them than what there are of us. If the band were to rely on us for an audience, then they'd be playing places the size of that place in Finland.
The thing is, despite that we are a target group too - when it comes to selling stuff - videos, records, it's us, who buys it and not the hits fans. So in a way we still are important customers.... But a much less important group. Putting around or over 2,000 ageing butts on seats is no.1 priority. Younger butts if they can get them Shifting vinyl and DVD's is way down the list to the point of not being particularly important. Not if you're just going to play a greatest hits package the rest of your days. I can completely see the logic in the band's approach; or rather those actually in control of these things. Especially at their age. I just get fed up with the same old set, the same old marketing and the same old management/media rhetoric. Its actually quite insulting at times. As you can tell, I haven't had my second espresso yet I should take my own advice; if you don't like it, don't go. But its the hypocrite in me. Can't help meself.
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Post by smokie on Apr 25, 2017 14:59:45 GMT
The thing is, despite that we are a target group too - when it comes to selling stuff - videos, records, it's us, who buys it and not the hits fans. So in a way we still are important customers.... Not if you're just going to play a greatest hits package the rest of your days. I can completely see the logic in the band's approach; or rather those actually in control of these things. Especially at their age. I just get fed up with the same old set, the same old marketing and the same old management/media rhetoric. Its actually quite insulting at times. ....I should take my own advice; if you don't like it, don't go. But its the hypocrite in me. Can't help meself. Don't think I made a mess of the quote thing this time. Unlike yesterday
I don't think that's a being a hypocrite. I think all of us on here share your frustration which you state in the second paragraph. Same old and same old. Those two words perfectly addresses the set and the media rhetoric.I'm tired of hearing the same old same old and surely they (Francis) must be tired of saying the same old things again and again. I suppose one part of the problem there is that he keeps on getting asked the same questions time and time again.
We go because we really do enjoy it but hope in our hearts that the set may just surprise us and it could be better than it currently is. Much better and I don't know if saying this makes me an optimist, or, a pessimist?
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Post by snakelady on Apr 25, 2017 16:07:02 GMT
Not if you're just going to play a greatest hits package the rest of your days. I can completely see the logic in the band's approach; or rather those actually in control of these things. Especially at their age. I just get fed up with the same old set, the same old marketing and the same old management/media rhetoric. Its actually quite insulting at times. ....I should take my own advice; if you don't like it, don't go. But its the hypocrite in me. Can't help meself. Don't think I made a mess of the quote thing this time. Unlike yesterday
I don't think that's a being a hypocrite. I think all of us on here share your frustration which you state in the second paragraph. Same old and same old. Those two words perfectly addresses the set and the media rhetoric.I'm tired of hearing the same old same old and surely they (Francis) must be tired of saying the same old things again and again. I suppose one part of the problem there is that he keeps on getting asked the same questions time and time again.
We go because we really do enjoy it but hope in our hearts that the set may just surprise us and it could be better than it currently is. Much better and I don't know if saying this makes me an optimist, or, a pessimist?
It makes you a realist IMO. Yes, the last gig I saw was really good, but it still could've been so much more exciting and fresh - and in consequence absolutely great ! Once they'll stop we'll look back at many wonderful gigs, but we'll forever be regretting the what ifs too, sadly ..
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