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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 11:58:46 GMT
It probably have been answered before but my memory isn't what it used to be.... 
Why is Francis doing all the vocals??
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 5, 2017 13:12:28 GMT
It probably have been answered before but my memory isn't what it used to be....
Why is Francis doing all the vocals??
That is my question. Main reason is because the Never Too Late album is mainly a left overs album from the Just Supposin sessions. So the unused tracks ended up on there they just happened to have Francis singing them. Until 1982 they tended to let whoever's voice suited the song do the lead singing, inspite of who wrote the song. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 13:15:04 GMT
Didn't Alan do lead on Mountain Lady ? No it's Francis. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 13:18:38 GMT
It probably have been answered before but my memory isn't what it used to be....
Why is Francis doing all the vocals??
That is my question. Main reason is because the Never Too Late album is mainly a left overs album from the Just Supposin sessions. So the unused tracks ended up on there they just happened to have Francis singing them. Until 1982 they tended to let whoever's voice suited the song do the lead singing, inspite of who wrote the song. Ok...but I thought it was the opposite....in 99% of the case the song writer did the lead vocals. Just look on the credits and compare it to the lead singer. I could be wrong though... 
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 5, 2017 16:20:51 GMT
Didn't Alan do lead on Mountain Lady ? Sorry, yeah of course you are right, I was getting confused with Wild Ones Francis sung that one as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 21:33:37 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of the production on this album. Alot of the vocals seem too low down in the mix.
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Post by dublinquo on Feb 11, 2017 22:36:37 GMT
Alot of the vocals seem too low down in the mix. Yes I agree... and especially on Riverside. If I was given the choice of next Quo album for John Eden to remix, I would opt for NTL. |
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Post by snakelady on Feb 14, 2017 7:54:03 GMT
Alot of the vocals seem too low down in the mix. Yes I agree... and especially on Riverside. If I was given the choice of next Quo album for John Eden to remix, I would opt for NTL. When he was on here last time, he did mention he was considering dealing with JS and NTL next.  I've always found it fascinating how two albums from the same session can sound so different. NTL has that white noise quality about it, which makes it really difficult for me to even listen to it. Although, I have to say - the songs aren't good either and on both albums, so even the best production won't turn them into good albums (as opposed to the RAOTW album, which is brilliant now and among my favourite Quo albums). |
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Post by mortified on Feb 14, 2017 9:45:57 GMT
I've never really thought about the lead vocals all being handled by Francis. That's quite unusual in any era. Don't Stop Me Now, to be fair, is largely harmonic although Francis's vocals do dominate.
I like the album but I've never viewed it as a real Quo classic. I never knew it was full of tracks that didn't make its predecessor until the internet but I can now appreciate why I don't like it quite as much.
Although I have to say Take Me Away is up there with anything the band did at that time. Or at any time.
Lots of high pitched harmonies and synths throughout especially on what was side 2 of the vinyl. Completely different feel to Just Supposin'.
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Post by Mikey on Feb 14, 2017 11:56:53 GMT
In general the songs on Never Too Late are strong songs that I like, apart from the twee & cringeworthy 'Something Bout You Baby', but the thing that I've always felt let the album down was the fact that Francis sung everything (apart from Ricks bits on the aforementioned twaddle). So there's no variation, no light & shade.
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 14, 2017 20:11:07 GMT
Yes I agree... and especially on Riverside. If I was given the choice of next Quo album for John Eden to remix, I would opt for NTL. When he was on here last time, he did mention he was considering dealing with JS and NTL next. That's if they let him... He finished the RAOTW remix a couple of years ago cause I remember he was talking about it on his Facebook page, and it took forever for it to be released... It also took him a lot of persuading for them to allow him to do it in the first place. Quite a few Quo albums need re-working to scrap the production from the time and give it a fresh feel. |
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 14, 2017 20:53:05 GMT
When he was on here last time, he did mention he was considering dealing with JS and NTL next. That's if they let him... He finished the RAOTW remix a couple of years ago cause I remember he was talking about it on his Facebook page, and it took forever for it to be released... It also took him a lot of persuading for them to allow him to do it in the first place. Quite a few Quo albums need re-working to scrap the production from the time and give it a fresh feel. Apparently the RAOTW remix was a nightmare to sort out legally, but I agree that more remixes would be welcome. |
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Post by col on Feb 14, 2017 20:57:29 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of the production on this album. Alot of the vocals seem too low down in the mix. Probably the reason I like it so much. Much prefer it when the vocals are in the mix |
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Post by snakelady on Feb 15, 2017 7:28:04 GMT
When he was on here last time, he did mention he was considering dealing with JS and NTL next. That's if they let him... He finished the RAOTW remix a couple of years ago cause I remember he was talking about it on his Facebook page, and it took forever for it to be released... It also took him a lot of persuading for them to allow him to do it in the first place. Quite a few Quo albums need re-working to scrap the production from the time and give it a fresh feel. Well over three years actually (for reasons mentioned by frozenhero ), I know I had nearly given up hope it would ever get released at all. Now I assume the make or break factor for further remixes will have been the numbers it sold. If that album wasn't considered an at least modest success by management, they'll doubt they'll make the break-even point with others, with the consequence that their remixes will never happen. And I seriously doubt RAOTW was such a big seller. It had as near as no promotion at all. IMO they should have named the tour after it - RAOTW reloaded or similar - and included more songs from it in the set: Dirty Water and Rockers Rollin' back in and Hard Time as new song (a perfekt opener IMO). The album has been so hugely popular and successful, surely it would've been well received once again by the casual fans who go to gigs. In consequence my hopes aren't exactly high concerning any further remixes (and that's all without knowing which original tapes still exist and which shape they're in) .. |
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Post by mortified on Feb 15, 2017 8:48:37 GMT
The remixed Rockin' album might have been a greater success had they gone down the anniversary route with it and gave it a bit of backing. 40 years this year. Had it been done quickly they could even have done a 35th anniversary. You know how the management like their anniversaries. As it is, the chances of any more remixes is probably pretty slim. I think we're lucky to get the one we did. Let's face it though; no remixed album will be particularly successful. Jimmy Page was tinkering with Zeppelin's stuff years ago. And their iconic 4th album was remixed and released a couple of years back. Did it sell by the million? It did do relatively well but it also got the full treatment in terms of promotion. But it was never a massive seller. These are not money making exercises, they are labours of love. If the band or any of its members are not interested then its hardly worth the cost, time and effort. |
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 15, 2017 10:55:14 GMT
The remixed Rockin' album might have been a greater success had they gone down the anniversary route with it and gave it a bit of backing. 40 years this year. Had it been done quickly they could even have done a 35th anniversary. You know how the management like their anniversaries. As it is, the chances of any more remixes is probably pretty slim. I think we're lucky to get the one we did. Let's face it though; no remixed album will be particularly successful. Jimmy Page was tinkering with Zeppelin's stuff years ago. And their iconic 4th album was remixed and released a couple of years back. Did it sell by the million? It did do relatively well but it also got the full treatment in terms of promotion. But it was never a massive seller. These are not money making exercises, they are labours of love. If the band or any of its members are not interested then its hardly worth the cost, time and effort. The Steven Wilson remixes we once talked about on the old MB are pretty good sellers I think, however they have the edge of including surround mixes plus lots of bonus material. |
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Post by gav on Feb 16, 2017 20:31:51 GMT
From a technical point of view, RAOTW always drastically needed a remix. For things like vocals being slightly too low, doesn't really merit remixing JS & NTL at all. Only "Over The Edge" and "Coming And Going" are technically bad mixes IMO, way too much reverb/echo drowning everything out IMO.
Other than that I cannot see John Eden's desire to remix these other than he co-produced them originally and has his own issues which are more technical than any of us would care about?
Maybe he could take out the Linn drum machine now I think about it!
IYCSTH I think, again, there is nothing wrong with. It's just a case of the novelty of stripping back the sound. But with the brass and backing vocals being so written in to the music, I kinda think it would expose the songs as being what they are for the most part, a bit flat. Nice as a concept, but I think you'd be left with too much empty space.
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Post by viking55 on Feb 16, 2017 21:00:14 GMT
I really like NTL. I much prefer it to JS. Some really strong songs and to me it had the Quo sound. Yeah the voices are low in mix on some songs but they give a live vibe to it.
Especially Carol. As good a cover as they have ever recorded and knocks seven bells out of BBJ in my opinion !
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Post by snakelady on Feb 17, 2017 6:39:34 GMT
From a technical point of view, RAOTW always drastically needed a remix. For things like vocals being slightly too low, doesn't really merit remixing JS & NTL at all. Only "Over The Edge" and "Coming And Going" are technically bad mixes IMO, way too much reverb/echo drowning everything out IMO. Other than that I cannot see John Eden's desire to remix these other than he co-produced them originally and has his own issues which are more technical than any of us would care about? Maybe he could take out the Linn drum machine now I think about it! IYCSTH I think, again, there is nothing wrong with. It's just a case of the novelty of stripping back the sound. But with the brass and backing vocals being so written in to the music, I kinda think it would expose the songs as being what they are for the most part, a bit flat. Nice as a concept, but I think you'd be left with too much empty space. Agree that there's no reason to remix IYCSTH. Yep, the arrangements were strange with the girls and the brass, but that wasn't (at least for me) why I thought it was a bad album. The quality of songs just wasn't there, no matter if played by guitar, flute or whatever. They weren't the only band who went down that route either - most of the old rock bands tried to go with the times, wrote pop songs, failed miserably - and disappeared from the big stages and charts or fell apart at the start of the 80s the latest. It was actually quite some achievement that Quo managed to survive and still chart, even if their music of the time did nothing for me. Didn't stop them from falling apart too, only not all at once and they were back a lot sooner than others. |
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Post by gav on Feb 18, 2017 14:38:19 GMT
From a technical point of view, RAOTW always drastically needed a remix. For things like vocals being slightly too low, doesn't really merit remixing JS & NTL at all. Only "Over The Edge" and "Coming And Going" are technically bad mixes IMO, way too much reverb/echo drowning everything out IMO. Other than that I cannot see John Eden's desire to remix these other than he co-produced them originally and has his own issues which are more technical than any of us would care about? Maybe he could take out the Linn drum machine now I think about it! IYCSTH I think, again, there is nothing wrong with. It's just a case of the novelty of stripping back the sound. But with the brass and backing vocals being so written in to the music, I kinda think it would expose the songs as being what they are for the most part, a bit flat. Nice as a concept, but I think you'd be left with too much empty space. Agree that there's no reason to remix IYCSTH. Yep, the arrangements were strange with the girls and the brass, but that wasn't (at least for me) why I thought it was a bad album. The quality of songs just wasn't there, no matter if played by guitar, flute or whatever. They weren't the only band who went down that route either - most of the old rock bands tried to go with the times, wrote pop songs, failed miserably - and disappeared from the big stages and charts or fell apart at the start of the 80s the latest. It was actually quite some achievement that Quo managed to survive and still chart, even if their music of the time did nothing for me. Didn't stop them from falling apart too, only not all at once and they were back a lot sooner than others. I always think of IYCSTH as Quo's "sexy album". The girl singers, the brass, recording in Holland, the beards, the massive amount of hair tossing (pardon the pun) on the playback performances, songs such as AAA, LLL, had a real raunchy swagger to them both visually and audibly. Frame's guitar tone was pretty sweet on the solos, dunno what he was using, anybody? |
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Post by snakelady on Feb 18, 2017 15:04:07 GMT
Agree that there's no reason to remix IYCSTH. Yep, the arrangements were strange with the girls and the brass, but that wasn't (at least for me) why I thought it was a bad album. The quality of songs just wasn't there, no matter if played by guitar, flute or whatever. They weren't the only band who went down that route either - most of the old rock bands tried to go with the times, wrote pop songs, failed miserably - and disappeared from the big stages and charts or fell apart at the start of the 80s the latest. It was actually quite some achievement that Quo managed to survive and still chart, even if their music of the time did nothing for me. Didn't stop them from falling apart too, only not all at once and they were back a lot sooner than others. I always think of IYCSTH as Quo's "sexy album". The girl singers, the brass, recording in Holland, the beards, the massive amount of hair tossing (pardon the pun) on the playback performances, songs such as AAA, LLL, had a real raunchy swagger to them both visually and audibly. Frame's guitar tone was pretty sweet on the solos, dunno what he was using, anybody? Erhm .. from my female POV IYCSTH definitely can't be classed a sexy album or a sexy time for the band. The guys themselves probably thought they were irresistible at the time, when they were actually having serious marital problems due to their lifestyle and it showed in at least Francis face .. Now you've got me wondering though if I'd class any Quo album as sexy ?  Hm .. . It's usually single songs, how Francis' voice sounds at times, that I find sexy occasionally - but not whole albums, no .. |
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 19, 2017 1:17:06 GMT
Agree that there's no reason to remix IYCSTH. Yep, the arrangements were strange with the girls and the brass, but that wasn't (at least for me) why I thought it was a bad album. The quality of songs just wasn't there, no matter if played by guitar, flute or whatever. They weren't the only band who went down that route either - most of the old rock bands tried to go with the times, wrote pop songs, failed miserably - and disappeared from the big stages and charts or fell apart at the start of the 80s the latest. It was actually quite some achievement that Quo managed to survive and still chart, even if their music of the time did nothing for me. Didn't stop them from falling apart too, only not all at once and they were back a lot sooner than others. I always think of IYCSTH as Quo's "sexy album". The girl singers, the brass, recording in Holland, the beards, the massive amount of hair tossing (pardon the pun) on the playback performances, songs such as AAA, LLL, had a real raunchy swagger to them both visually and audibly. Frame's guitar tone was pretty sweet on the solos, dunno what he was using, anybody? There are a lot of good tracks on IYCSTH but aren't classed as good because they aren't "heavy" enough... I'm not quite sure what Francis was using but he was definitely using a guitar with a tremolo for the LLL solo, unless it was pip playing that one. I remember there was a story or information on how he got that amazing tone for the Accident Prone solo... Shall have to try and find it.  |
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2017 9:25:20 GMT
I always think of IYCSTH as Quo's "sexy album". The girl singers, the brass, recording in Holland, the beards, the massive amount of hair tossing (pardon the pun) on the playback performances, songs such as AAA, LLL, had a real raunchy swagger to them both visually and audibly. Frame's guitar tone was pretty sweet on the solos, dunno what he was using, anybody? There are a lot of good tracks on IYCSTH but aren't classed as good because they aren't "heavy" enough... I'm not quite sure what Francis was using but he was definitely using a guitar with a tremolo for the LLL solo, unless it was pip playing that one. I remember there was a story or information on how he got that amazing tone for the Accident Prone solo... Shall have to try and find it. Ah, I remember how great I thought the IYCSTH cover looked, when I took the album home from the record shop. Still think it's one of Quo's best album sleeves. And then I listened to it - and I was shocked. Merely four songs on it that I didn't class as bad songs - skip tracks. The great Accident Prone (not written by the band), the very good LLL (a Bown solo song re-recorded) plus Someone Show Me Home and Oh What A Night. For me it had nothing to do with heaviness. RAOTW hadn't been heavy either, but the songs were better. IMO the Heat album reflected a band breaking apart and with personal problems. They were starting to get into drugs heavily, Alan had moved to Australia, Francis marriage was into trouble, John's first marriage was over already .. - And that's how they look to me in that picture. On the old mb Pip was asked various times whether he had played this or that solo and he basically said that he had played less stuff than people were speculating about and if he had played a whole solo and not just little bits and pieces it was mentioned in the credits. Obviously him and Francis had talked through how to best play them with one or two though. Merely general info, I know, as I can't remember any specifics .. AP has indeed a very special sound and tempo and the solo sounds great ! |
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Post by mortified on Feb 19, 2017 9:39:31 GMT
Totally agree with the view that very few albums will be remixed again - if any at all. They are what they are and there hasn't been the same level of discussion over the years like there was with the Rockin'.... album. None had the same condensed sound issues.
Personally, I think the only thing that requires attention is a possible remaster of the Heavy Traffic album. I dare say it'll happen one day.
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 19, 2017 10:31:21 GMT
Totally agree with the view that very few albums will be remixed again - if any at all. They are what they are and there hasn't been the same level of discussion over the years like there was with the Rockin'.... album. None had the same condensed sound issues. Personally, I think the only thing that requires attention is a possible remaster of the Heavy Traffic album. I dare say it'll happen one day. I 100% agree with you on Heavy Traffic needing a redux... it's too weak and poorly mixed |
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