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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 4, 2017 18:49:29 GMT
Nothing we have not read before. Rick admitted all of this in the XS all Areas Book, I was just reading that chapter again yesterday.
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Post by smokie on Feb 5, 2017 9:42:52 GMT
I'd forgotten most of that but some of it doesn't make for particularly pleasant reading.
What a tangled web.....
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Post by problemshalved on Feb 5, 2017 16:34:56 GMT
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Post by smokie on Feb 6, 2017 17:23:39 GMT
Heartbreaking to read Marietta's second part of the story: But why oh why do they have to tell the world about it all now? That part wasn't enjoyable reading either. I can understand Marietta wanting to put her side of the story out but she's had years to do so. I don't think it's right to do so now when Rick can't defend himself. Some things are better left unsaid.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 6, 2017 22:29:17 GMT
More today as well, DM commenters showing their compassion as well saying "hope he is rotting in hell".
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Post by snakelady on Feb 7, 2017 8:28:52 GMT
A very sad read, hope she found some happiness in life. Like others I had been wondering why she put the boy in a boarding school, but then realised that at the time she was still married to and living with Rick, who obviously was on auto-destruct mode. It probably was the lesser of two evils in a horrible and frightening situation.
Rick had already told his part of the story in the biog. Maybe she waited that long with her side of things (which I assume is more accurate as she didn't do drugs) to not hurt him while he was still alive. She seems to still have loved him after all that he's done to her ..
I start to understand why Francis wants to keep away as far as possible from the 70s and part of the 80s. He is shocked about the persons they had turned into back then - and rightly so, obviously ..
Which reminds me of that myth that Alan didn't do drugs or not nearly as much as Rick and Francis and which Alan seems to not contradict these days. To quote Rick when talking about Montreux '82: 'The pressure was starting to tell on all of us by then. There were lots of arguments between Alan and Francis, as there always had been, only now they assumed a new edge. Like me they were both doing a lot of coke and it just made their fall-outs even more manic.' So no, Alan obviously wasn't the level-headed innocent victim he likes to picture himself. Rick might not remember much from the time, but I'm pretty sure he remembers with whom he shared the drugs.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 7, 2017 8:39:02 GMT
A very sad read, hope she found some happiness in life. Like others I had been wondering why she put the boy in a boarding school, but then realised that at the time she was still married to and living with Rick, who obviously was on auto-destruct mode. It probably was the lesser of two evils in a horrible and frightening situation. Rick had already told his part of the story in the biog. Maybe she waited that long with her side of things (which I assume is more accurate as she didn't do drugs) to not hurt him while he was still alive. She seems to still have loved him after all that he's done to her .. I start to understand why Francis wants to keep away as far as possible from the 70s and part of the 80s. He is shocked about the persons they had turned into back then - and rightly so, obviously .. Which reminds me of that myth that Alan didn't do drugs or not nearly as much as Rick and Francis and which Alan seems to not contradict these days. To quote Rick when talking about Montreux '82: 'The pressure was starting to tell on all of us by then. There were lots of arguments between Alan and Francis, as there always had been, only now they assumed a new edge. Like me they were both doing a lot of coke and it just made their fall-outs even more manic.' So no, Alan obviously wasn't the level-headed innocent victim he likes to picture himself. Rick might not remember much from the time, but I'm pretty sure he remembers with whom he shared the drugs. I think that does make sense as Rick said with coke he felt closer to Francis and Alan again. As he had stopped smoking dope after the incident with the "Witch", so that meant he was not part of the evening dope smoking that Alan and Francis did. It also makes sense with how John felt isolated with the 3 of them doing the same thing and he was just getting drunk on his own. When until Coke came along Rick would join him. The article does not tell us much we did not know. Though it misses out the bit about him running out into the garden in the pouring rain. Ripping his shirt open and screaming to God to show him that Heidi was ok. I get Marietta still has her faith to keep her strong not everyone can though, I have a friend who lost a daughter aged 3. He is now a firm Athiest while his wife is still a churchgoer. The comments are vile as you would expect from DM holier than thou readers saying they "Hope he is rotting in Hell".
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Post by snakelady on Feb 7, 2017 8:50:03 GMT
A very sad read, hope she found some happiness in life. Like others I had been wondering why she put the boy in a boarding school, but then realised that at the time she was still married to and living with Rick, who obviously was on auto-destruct mode. It probably was the lesser of two evils in a horrible and frightening situation. Rick had already told his part of the story in the biog. Maybe she waited that long with her side of things (which I assume is more accurate as she didn't do drugs) to not hurt him while he was still alive. She seems to still have loved him after all that he's done to her .. I start to understand why Francis wants to keep away as far as possible from the 70s and part of the 80s. He is shocked about the persons they had turned into back then - and rightly so, obviously .. Which reminds me of that myth that Alan didn't do drugs or not nearly as much as Rick and Francis and which Alan seems to not contradict these days. To quote Rick when talking about Montreux '82: 'The pressure was starting to tell on all of us by then. There were lots of arguments between Alan and Francis, as there always had been, only now they assumed a new edge. Like me they were both doing a lot of coke and it just made their fall-outs even more manic.' So no, Alan obviously wasn't the level-headed innocent victim he likes to picture himself. Rick might not remember much from the time, but I'm pretty sure he remembers with whom he shared the drugs. I think that does make sense as Rick said with coke he felt closer to Francis and Alan again. As he had stopped smoking dope after the incident with the "Witch", so that meant he was not part of the evening dope smoking that Alan and Francis did. It also makes sense with how John felt isolated with the 3 of them doing the same thing and he was just getting drunk on his own. When until Coke came along Rick would join him. The article does not tell us much we did not know. Though it misses out the bit about him running out into the garden in the pouring rain. Ripping his shirt open and screaming to God to show him that Heidi was ok. I get Marietta still has her faith to keep her strong not everyone can though, I have a friend who lost a daughter aged 3. He is now a firm Athiest while his wife is still a churchgoer. The comments are vile as you would expect from DM holier than thou readers saying they "Hope he is rotting in Hell". What I found fascinating is the sheer number of comments ! It's not completely unexpected they're negative ones and not completely undeserved either. The standard as you say will be that of tabloid readers though .. And yep, you're right about John. The book actually continues to go into that, only I thought I'd for once try to keep on topic, so didn't quote more (it was enough typing anyway)
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Post by snakelady on Feb 7, 2017 8:54:49 GMT
There's already a thread about this in the Rick section, so I'm going to move this over there and merge it into the other one
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Post by viking55 on Feb 7, 2017 9:05:43 GMT
You can tell she is going through a very mixed range of emotions. Love, hate, disbelief etc..... so telling all may be part of her healing process no matter what we think of that. Closure. And as much as I respect Rick as part of my music passion some of the things he done are humanly unacceptable to your loved one. Not even staying home with your wife the day your Daughter is tragically killed !! There is a lot of stuff I myself find difficult to come to terms with never mind Marrietta ! Unfortunately for me....ok it may be only me... but I cannot treat that sort of person as a hero anymore....too much for me...sorry !
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Post by mortified on Feb 7, 2017 9:46:31 GMT
More tabloid stuff. The Daily Femail are obviously looking for the full set. They only need one more ex to complete it (did he ever marry Marietta?). Then they can cross-refer for any inaccuracies because I'm sure their conscience would bother them if anything was contradictory Money is the reason for these interviews. And the only reason. And I suppose, why not? We're all mainly driven by it especially if we don't have any. But to be fair to Marietta (unlike one or two others) she's at least kept herself to herself and out of the limelight for decades. I'm genuinely not interested in this stuff. Rick's private life - or any of the band's private lives - are an irrelevance to me. I actually don't care. Never have. I just find it sad that the music gets lost in all this. But that's life. I'm well aware. People like gossip. Just take a look at the magazine stands in any newsagents. This will all fizzle out soon and a new celeb will be getting the attention - preferably from the rag's point of view a dead one.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 8, 2017 7:12:06 GMT
Money is the reason for these interviews. And possibly they all know that Rick had allegedly referred to all of his ex wives (and current wife) in his unfinished book, maybe they wanted to get in first just in case Rick's book is ever published. Just a thought. Well, Rick had already talked about his first two marriages in the first biog from 2004, so he got in first - with Marietta anyway. Patty has written her own book to make the most of the marriage and band financially. I happen to think the least of her out of the three wives. Maybe if she hadn't willingly joined in in all the drinking, taking drugs and partying and instead had tried to get him off it like Marietta, things would've panned out differently and he'd still be alive. That doesn't mean the first person responsible for him wasn't himself though. Lindsay will indeed simply need the money and won't have had much choice. Even if there's money left to be divided up among the children (which I doubt ..) it can take months till she sees any of it.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Feb 9, 2017 12:38:56 GMT
And possibly they all know that Rick had allegedly referred to all of his ex wives (and current wife) in his unfinished book, maybe they wanted to get in first just in case Rick's book is ever published. Just a thought. Well, Rick had already talked about his first two marriages in the first biog from 2004, so he got in first - with Marietta anyway. Patty has written her own book to make the most of the marriage and band financially. I happen to think the least of her out of the three wives. Maybe if she hadn't willingly joined in in all the drinking, taking drugs and partying and instead had tried to get him off it like Marietta, things would've panned out differently and he'd still be alive. That doesn't mean the first person responsible for him wasn't himself though. Lindsay will indeed simply need the money and won't have had much choice. Even if there's money left to be divided up among the children (which I doubt ..) it can take months till she sees any of it. There were 2 Francis & Rick autobiographies don't forget. Just for the Record came out in 1993 (not sure what was in it though, I haven't read it since 1993)! I think (from what I've read from a distance) that out of Rick's 3 wives Patty was probably the most like Rick. I think the other 2 tried to keep him on the straight and narrow whereas Patty just enjoyed the lifestyle and joined in with him more. I agree; I don't begrudge Lindsay what she is doing as when everything's sorted out I think she will be in a bit of a financial predicament.....if she's to be believed, worse off than when she met Rick (but I'm only guessing from what I've read).
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Post by snakelady on Feb 9, 2017 16:12:48 GMT
Well, Rick had already talked about his first two marriages in the first biog from 2004, so he got in first - with Marietta anyway. Patty has written her own book to make the most of the marriage and band financially. I happen to think the least of her out of the three wives. Maybe if she hadn't willingly joined in in all the drinking, taking drugs and partying and instead had tried to get him off it like Marietta, things would've panned out differently and he'd still be alive. That doesn't mean the first person responsible for him wasn't himself though. Lindsay will indeed simply need the money and won't have had much choice. Even if there's money left to be divided up among the children (which I doubt ..) it can take months till she sees any of it. There were 2 Francis & Rick autobiographies don't forget. Just for the Record came out in 1993 (not sure what was in it though, I haven't read it since 1993)! I think (from what I've read from a distance) that out of Rick's 3 wives Patty was probably the most like Rick. I think the other 2 tried to keep him on the straight and narrow whereas Patty just enjoyed the lifestyle and joined in with him more. I agree; I don't begrudge Lindsay what she is doing as when everything's sorted out I think she will be in a bit of a financial predicament.....if she's to be believed, worse off than when she met Rick (but I'm only guessing from what I've read). I didn't count JFTR as I don't consider it a biog, the way AAA is. There actually was another one, in German (don't remember how that was called) from the mid 80s. That's how I learned about the EOTR. For some reason I just can't find it although I've been searching for it for years ..
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Feb 9, 2017 16:48:49 GMT
There were 2 Francis & Rick autobiographies don't forget. Just for the Record came out in 1993 (not sure what was in it though, I haven't read it since 1993)! I think (from what I've read from a distance) that out of Rick's 3 wives Patty was probably the most like Rick. I think the other 2 tried to keep him on the straight and narrow whereas Patty just enjoyed the lifestyle and joined in with him more. I agree; I don't begrudge Lindsay what she is doing as when everything's sorted out I think she will be in a bit of a financial predicament.....if she's to be believed, worse off than when she met Rick (but I'm only guessing from what I've read). I didn't count JFTR as I don't consider it a biog, the way AAA is. There actually was another one, in German (don't remember how that was called) from the mid 80s. That's how I learned about the EOTR. For some reason I just can't find it although I've been searching for it for years .. Why, what's wrong/different about JFTR? I can't remember! I thought it was similar to AAA.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 9, 2017 16:56:52 GMT
I didn't count JFTR as I don't consider it a biog, the way AAA is. There actually was another one, in German (don't remember how that was called) from the mid 80s. That's how I learned about the EOTR. For some reason I just can't find it although I've been searching for it for years .. Why, what's wrong/different about JFTR? I can't remember! I thought it was similar to AAA. It's similar but tends to focus more on the bands history and only dips into their personal lives. AAA is much more througher book.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 9, 2017 17:03:45 GMT
Yes indeed - as The Lord Flasheart mentions - AAA is much more personal and goes much more into detail, whereas JFTR was mainly a book about the band.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Feb 9, 2017 17:09:57 GMT
Oh ok. I've been reading a bit of AAA the last few days, and although it focus's more on their personal lives like you say, I still find it skips over whole incidents or periods in a few sentences or a paragraph.
It's obvious though how the break up of the band, the change of music/reducing quality coincides with the escalation of dr*gs and alcohol and issues in their personal lives. Commonly known as being unable to handle the pressures of fame.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 9, 2017 17:18:49 GMT
Oh ok. I've been reading a bit of AAA the last few days, and although it focus's more on their personal lives like you say, I still find it skips over whole incidents or periods in a few sentences or a paragraph. It's obvious though how the break up of the band, the change of music/reducing quality coincides with the escalation of dr*gs and alcohol and issues in their personal lives. Commonly known as being unable to handle the pressures of fame. I don't think AAA was meant as a book about the band and as you say - we've had that before. IMO they are personal biography and about as honest as they'll ever be (we all have things in our past we don't ever want to talk about, to anybody). Rick is very honest about his mistakes and that he's to blame for both marriages having gone wrong. What I merely noticed recently after having read Marietta's interview is his failing to understanding the hurt and despair he caused. He usually goes 'as it was my mistake it went wrong, naturally I paid for everything'. And otherwise he shows an complete lack of empathy. It made me realise just how egocentric the guy was.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Feb 9, 2017 17:57:21 GMT
Oh ok. I've been reading a bit of AAA the last few days, and although it focus's more on their personal lives like you say, I still find it skips over whole incidents or periods in a few sentences or a paragraph. It's obvious though how the break up of the band, the change of music/reducing quality coincides with the escalation of dr*gs and alcohol and issues in their personal lives. Commonly known as being unable to handle the pressures of fame. I don't think AAA was meant as a book about the band and as you say - we've had that before. IMO they are personal biography and about as honest as they'll ever be (we all have things in our past we don't ever want to talk about, to anybody). Rick is very honest about his mistakes and that he's to blame for both marriages having gone wrong. What I merely noticed recently after having read Marietta's interview is his failing to understanding the hurt and despair he caused. He usually goes 'as it was my mistake it went wrong, naturally I paid for everything'. And otherwise he shows an complete lack of empathy. It made me realise just how egocentric the guy was. The bits that I read yesterday, I didn't think that Rick was that honest imo. I certainly didn't think he admitted to everything that Marietta said.....like you say, probably just glossed over it due to regret and embarrassment. Yeah, I think the fact that he repeated his mistakes/misdemeanors probably confirms that he didn't understand the hurt he was causing others. A lot of people are quite self-centred and can't empathise with others or understand what effect their actions have. He's not alone in that respect!
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Post by snakelady on Feb 10, 2017 6:27:12 GMT
Yep, agreed, Neil Btw. I've been looking for the book to be able to post a link, but can't find it anywhere. Looks like it's sold out ?
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Feb 10, 2017 13:04:36 GMT
The bits that I read yesterday, I didn't think that Rick was that honest imo. I certainly didn't think he admitted to everything that Marietta said.....like you say, probably just glossed over it due to regret and embarrassment. Yeah, I think the fact that he repeated his mistakes/misdemeanors probably confirms that he didn't understand the hurt he was causing others. A lot of people are quite self-centred and can't empathise with others or understand what effect their actions have. He's not alone in that respect! So if his unfinished book ever does get published you won't believe a word of it then ? It's not that he's telling lies or that it's untrue. I meant more that things were missed out or skipped over briefly. We all see things through our own eyes, and that usually means that we don't see it the same as the other people who are involved. Francis, Rick, Alan and John will all have a different take on the same event. It doesn't mean that anyone is intentionally telling lies. Also, as humans, if we've forgotten bits of the story we often just fill it in best we can, so part of the story is true and part is embellished. So when anyone brings a book out or does an interview on their own, there's no one there to disagree with it or give another version of the story. If you sat the 4 of them down together to discuss their past, they would possibly tell their own version of events, but then someone would say 'oh you're right, I forgot about that' or 'did I really do that, how stoned was i?' But when they're on their own you can't do that so you just make it up best you can. In relation to Rick and Marietta, knowing what I do about each of them, I'd say her version of events was more truthful / detailed than his. So if parts of his book did come out, I'd be interested to read his side of the story.
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Post by mortified on Feb 10, 2017 13:19:43 GMT
If we're expecting a posthumous autobiography, I think we should prepare for disappointment. That ship has sailed with Rick's passing. Some of it MAY have been scribbled down but probably not very much. If anything at all. Possibly much like any music that he had created since he got out of hospital.
Truths, half truths and drug fuelled recollections. Would it have been worth it? Rick admitted himself some years ago that he could barely remember any of the 80's. That might have been a guilt trip or he might have been telling the truth. We'll never know.
I actually like it that way. Somehow it maintains that rock star cloak of mythology that he had created.
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