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Post by snakelady on Jan 26, 2017 10:36:13 GMT
I've read this opinion a few times now and I can't help but think that it's very unfair towards the rest of the band.
Consider this: You've got a business with some other partners and more people working for you. You work hard for it and behave responsible, as do most of your partners apart from one. That one guy does work hard too adding important contributions when at work, but in his spare time loves the high life, does drinks, drugs and smokes. In consequence he suffers a heart attack. He manages to recover within months, but instead of changing his life style, continues as before. And then he suffers another heart attack and another and this time he isn't able to work anymore. As none of the other partners can do his job, you've got to bring in a replacement. Some of the customers complain about the changed product though and stop buying from you, while others keep shopping from your business, thus still providing an income for all partners and your employees. And then that partner, who's already not able to do his job anymore dies. And now those former customers, who hadn't been shopping from you for a while anyway, suddenly demand you close the whole business down, as the business and product weren't the same anymore. Which in consequence would mean that you and the other partners, who had always behaved responsible would lose your job and source of income, as would all your employees - none of which had done anything wrong either, and you still had customers who enjoyed the changed product, if less than previously.
What would you do ? Close down the business you've founded and worked hard for all of your life ? Change the name of it, although that had already been in place when the late partner had joined and the product had been changing drastically from early on anyway - and you'd lose even more customers as a consequence ? Mourn that partner, but life has to go on, so you try to keep the business going as good as possible ? .. So many options - but what is fair towards all involved ?
Personally I think the others don't deserve to lose their jobs because of one person's irresponsible behaviour and its consequences. It should be left to the band how long they continue to tour and under which name. Simple as that.
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Post by mortified on Jan 26, 2017 11:06:52 GMT
I don't personally see Rick as irresponsible. They've all done daft things; its just that his body or metabolism was less tolerant to the chemicals he put inside it. You could also tell over the decades that he had more issues with weight as he got older than anyone else in the band. He had to really fight to stay in reasonable shape. As for the general point about the 'business', many people feel an affinity with the band and their artistic endeavours and they've been a part of a lot of people's lives for so long. A very big part. This isn't just any business. I like chocolate but I don't have a personal or emotional connection with Lindt. However, its also not a fan decision and never should be. Ever. If I was a musician - or any kind of artist - whose work had been appreciated by thousands the decision about what to do with it at any given time would be mine and mine alone. Fans have opinions like anyone else but the only decision they can and should make is whether to continue to use or appreciate the product. If not, fine; walk away. Otherwise, stick around. Most people react in one way or the other. Quo was not Rick and Rick was not Quo. Nor is it Francis. The band is the sum of all parts AND, most importantly, the music. Rick's passing is a difficult one for many fans but it cannot possibly be any more difficult than it is for the other band members and those behind the scenes. If we take things like the continuation of a band or their music personally then that's our own issue and one only we as individuals can deal with. If we feel the need to shout about it, whatever. One or two might be listening. But you can be sure its no one of any consequence. Don't Stop, Can't Stop? To coin a phrase....
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Jan 26, 2017 17:04:55 GMT
So its all about money and supporting those that depend on the band, it don't matter if the performances are poor, bordering farcical, ok I got it now, in that case they should carry on then I am not sure I agree about your take on the performances Ive, I very much enjoyed the last one i went to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 18:33:16 GMT
I personally think that if the current guys in the band want to carry on, then go for it!
I'm yet to see a show with Richie Malone, so may have a different view once I have seen a show without Rick, but I'm getting tickets for the Brentwood Festival and going to give it a go!
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Post by whoaskedyou on Jan 26, 2017 22:19:37 GMT
I think you need to get out more Snakelady. Simple as that to use your phrase.
A fair bit of drivel and filler in that starting post...I know you mean well but really ?
Of course we don't want the current line up not to earn a living but as been said many a time it ain't Status Quo...well not to many.
It is so diluted now .. Call it Francis Rossi's Quo or something along those lines.
You don't seem to grasp how important Rick was..why is that ? I find it very disappointing.
One thing is for certain we all have our views. Simple as that.
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Post by Sam on Jan 27, 2017 1:52:53 GMT
People seem to forget that bands are brands and businesses at the end of the day. I saw an interview with Francis the other day, filmed in October I believe where the interviewer asked him why they didn't just postpone the tour when Rick had his heart attack. He said they all wanted to, but the reality was that they had an obligation to play the tour, and to cancel outright would basically bankrupt them with paying off compensation to the venues, promoters, road crew etc.
I have seen this happen to other bands, where a member dies suddenly or is unable to play, during or just before a tour.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 27, 2017 8:03:03 GMT
People seem to forget that bands are brands and businesses at the end of the day. I saw an interview with Francis the other day, filmed in October I believe where the interviewer asked him why they didn't just postpone the tour when Rick had his heart attack. He said they all wanted to, but the reality was that they had an obligation to play the tour, and to cancel outright would basically bankrupt them with paying off compensation to the venues, promoters, road crew etc. I have seen this happen to other bands, where a member dies suddenly or is unable to play, during or just before a tour. Exactly - that's why I wrote the topic from the band's perspective. Yes, for us fans it's so much more, basically a part of our lives that has been with us for decades. So we tend to see them as more than music or entertainment, while in reality it's simply one branch of economy they happen to work in. Certainly some jobs earn you more than others and some are more fun than others, but in the end they are just that - jobs. And these jobs have to provide a living for all employed by the band (including the band members) and their families. That's what Francis tries to explain and what's obviously so hard to accept for some fans.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 27, 2017 8:15:00 GMT
So its all about money and supporting those that depend on the band, it don't matter if the performances are poor, bordering farcical, ok I got it now, in that case they should carry on then The band offer a product - their music, the gigs - and they can only hope enough customers are interested in buying it. If you don't like their output anymore, they've lost you as a customer. There's no need to talk that venomously about them though. You might not enjoy Quo without Rick and think the performances are poor . that's your prerogative. What it is not is farcical. The band that played last autumn was enjoyed by thousands, even if you weren't one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 9:09:48 GMT
as been said many a time it ain't Status Quo...well not to many. Call it Francis Rossi's Quo or something along those lines. One thing is for certain we all have our views. Simple as that. I haven't read everything in this thread but this sums up my opinions as well.....
Francis can go on but the name of the band should be changed,the band can go on and everybody lived happily ever after....
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Post by smokie on Jan 27, 2017 10:01:04 GMT
The band offer a product - their music, the gigs - and they can only hope enough customers are interested in buying it. If you don't like their output anymore, they've lost you as a customer. There's no need to talk that venomously about them though. You might not enjoy Quo without Rick and think the performances are poor . that's your prerogative. What it is not is farcical. The band that played last autumn was enjoyed by thousands, even if you weren't one of them. IMVHO all they will attract now, in the main, is the casuals & the GH fans, that is now the fanbase they rely on Ive, I agree with that but to be honest, I think that's been the case for years, not in the 70s and 80s obviously but certainly for good few years now.
On here, we are all die hards who buy all the studio albums but if a Quo show was limited to those who did so, I doubt if the band would fill my local community centre.
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Post by smokie on Jan 29, 2017 10:10:43 GMT
In the FTMO issue after the LNOTE tour was announced, from memory anyway, Francis just sounded as if he'd had enough, Rick mentioned how it was getting harder to tour and Rhino sounded genuinely miffed that the electric tours were coming to an end. I definitely got the impression that he didn't want to stop. In various interviews before and since, Francis has stated more and more that the band is a business and to be honest, until then, I'd never really given that side of things much of a thought. I'd always just thought of the band itself and never thought of those behind the scenes. The crew, caterers, drivers, PR agency etc who all depend on the band for their living. It would be unfair on all of these people if the whole thing ground to a halt right now with no notice. Perhaps Quo have given them 2 years notice that things will finish at the of 2018 at the latest to give them all an opportunity to make alternative plans, who knows? As for those that no longer what to see the band live, I can understand as to why but equally, I can also understand those that still want to go and see them. It's up to the individual, isn't it? Personally, if possible, I intend to go as I still think it's a good night out and by and large, I love the majority of the set but not the predictability of it. As for the name itself, I can't see that changing, I think the Status Quo will prevail. Francis has been in the band his whole life and can't see the name altering now, unless there's a lawsuit. He'll only change it if he has too IMVHO. I'd echo snakelady's final sentence in the threads opener
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Dec 9, 2019 13:19:13 GMT
I'm glad they carried on.
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Post by noproblems on Dec 19, 2019 21:34:45 GMT
It should be left to the band how long they continue to tour and under which name. Simple as that. If Status Quo want to carry on, then I can't make them stop. But equally they can't make me go to see their shows.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Dec 19, 2019 22:06:21 GMT
It should be left to the band how long they continue to tour and under which name. Simple as that. If Status Quo want to carry on, then I can't make them stop. But equally they can't make me go to see their shows. OMG if you don't go they might have to cancel.
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Post by snakelady on Dec 20, 2019 8:37:09 GMT
It should be left to the band how long they continue to tour and under which name. Simple as that. If Status Quo want to carry on, then I can't make them stop. But equally they can't make me go to see their shows. Naturally - obviously nobody can force anybody to go to a gig, least of all the band. How would they even go about it ? And why should you go see a band you don't like ? But since this is a Quo forum some of us have seen this line-up once or twice and if we liked what we saw we've said so and recommended seeing them to others. Then it's everybody's choice to do so or not.
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