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Post by smokie on Jan 20, 2017 10:44:36 GMT
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Post by quolion on Jan 20, 2017 12:10:36 GMT
It seems Danny Clifford was the official photographer for the funeral...
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 20, 2017 23:31:25 GMT
JC posted on FB that Alan was represented by his daughter yesterday. I hope Alan is ok and Ricks passing has not affected his own health.
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Post by mortified on Jan 21, 2017 8:33:39 GMT
JC posted on FB that Alan was represented by his daughter yesterday. I hope Alan is ok and Ricks passing has not affected his own health. I hope I'm reading into this wrong, but the only way I can translate & read into that is that Alan couldn't travel to the UK for Rick's funeral due to health reasons, I can't think of any other possible reason knowing what Rick meant to Alan & I feel certain Alan would have wanted to be there. It certainly could be read that way. Hopefully he's OK. I watched Hello Quo last night (again ) and he looked frail enough in that. Because of whatever condition afflicts him, he's become the oldest looking band member. And Rick's passing will possibly have hit any ambitions he may have had of recording again. But never say never say.... The post by John Coghlan (my wife showed me it) made me chuckle. I bet they all had a blast and raised several glasses to the great man. As have I since Christmas Eve.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 21, 2017 9:00:50 GMT
JC posted on FB that Alan was represented by his daughter yesterday. I hope Alan is ok and Ricks passing has not affected his own health. I hope I'm reading into this wrong, but the only way I can translate & read into that is that Alan couldn't travel to the UK for Rick's funeral due to health reasons, I can't think of any other possible reason knowing what Rick meant to Alan & I feel certain Alan would have wanted to be there. Reminded me again how annoyed Alan would get during the reunion tours saying something like 'why does everybody worry about me, but nobody seems to be worrying about Rick ? Guess by the way Alan looked and moved we all thought he was the frailest and none of us expected Rick would be the first we'd lose. Alan and Francis would've known more about Rick's health .. Actually I'm more and more convinced that the worries about Alan and Rick were the main reason Francis didn't want to do more FF gigs. That his clumsy statement 'I don't want to do more' derives from him not wanting to tell the truth, as that would've involved some personal observations about the others' health he'd not voice in public. Somebody had mentioned that Alan had flown to the UK shortly before the funeral. I assume that info was wrong then .. And wasn't he expected to come to Minehead this year as well ?
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Post by snakelady on Jan 21, 2017 9:23:59 GMT
Reminded me again how annoyed Alan would get during the reunion tours saying something like 'why does everybody worry about me, but nobody seems to be worrying about Rick ? Guess by the way Alan looked and moved we all thought he was the frailest and none of us expected Rick would be the first we'd lose. Alan and Francis would've known more about Rick's health .. Actually I'm more and more convinced that the worries about Alan and Rick were the main reason Francis didn't want to do more FF gigs. That his clumsy statement 'I don't want to do more' derives from him not wanting to tell the truth, as that would've involved some personal observations about the others' health he'd not voice in public. Somebody had mentioned that Alan had flown to the UK shortly before the funeral. I assume that info was wrong then .. And wasn't he expected to come to Minehead this year as well ? Hmm, the 2nd paragraph is possible I suppose, and I admit could have been a major reason, we will never know. I saw a couple of folk mention that Alan & family were reported to be in the UK, no idea where this ( obviously wrong) info was sourced from, perhaps wishful thinking ?,, and I also take the Minehead thing with a pinch of salt to. I think it was JC that mentioned about Alan possibly being at Minehead, was supposed to be along with Rick as I recall, obviously things have changed now and for that reason I doubt Alan would be at Minehead Well, John would've been the keenest for any PLC project to go ahead. Rick did get his contracts (record, book ..) because of his name and not because of any involvement from the others and he's the one best of financially anyway. John on the other hand will only be able to afford a very modest lifestyle with his income - he's got as near as no writing royalties either as opposed to Rick and Alan. So he'd understandably will have been the one hoping the most for something bigger, something like PLC or even FF happening again in any shape or form.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 21, 2017 9:34:09 GMT
Well, John would've been the keenest for any PLC project to go ahead. Rick did get his contracts (record, book ..) because of his name and not because of any involvement from the others and he's the one best of financially anyway. John on the other hand will only be able to afford a very modest lifestyle with his income - he's got as near as no writing royalties either as opposed to Rick and Alan. So he'd understandably will have been the one hoping the most for something bigger, something like PLC or even FF happening again in any shape or form. Regarding John & the financial stuff/income, the reasons you give are possible of course but that's pure speculation isnt it ?! Part of it is speculation, naturally. It's never that easy and John will have had more reasons than a financial one to have liked the PLC project to go ahead. I was trying to point out the difference between Rick, who still was a rock star in his own right and John's situation, who is merely known to Quo insiders like us.
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Post by craydarr on Jan 21, 2017 12:42:44 GMT
Regarding John & the financial stuff/income, the reasons you give are possible of course but that's pure speculation isnt it ?! Part of it is speculation, naturally. It's never that easy and John will have had more reasons than a financial one to have liked the PLC project to go ahead. I was trying to point out the difference between Rick, who still was a rock star in his own right and John's situation, who is merely known to Quo insiders like us. John probably is better of than we would imagine, he only has a few minor writing credits but with all the re-issues in the 2000's, deluxe editions, compilations and the FF tours he can't be suffering. He is still gigging on a smaller scale admittedly, but he is the "name" in that band so he should get the larger cut. Again pure speculation.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 21, 2017 16:17:53 GMT
Part of it is speculation, naturally. It's never that easy and John will have had more reasons than a financial one to have liked the PLC project to go ahead. I was trying to point out the difference between Rick, who still was a rock star in his own right and John's situation, who is merely known to Quo insiders like us. John probably is better of than we would imagine, he only has a few minor writing credits but with all the re-issues in the 2000's, deluxe editions, compilations and the FF tours he can't be suffering. He is still gigging on a smaller scale admittedly, but he is the "name" in that band so he should get the larger cut. Again pure speculation. Those re-issues and similar will merely sell in small numbers to hardcore fans and collectors. I doubt a lot of money can be made from them, especially as the releases have all been low key with as near as no marketing involved. None of them will get even close to the charts. The biggest chance in that respect would've been the RAOTW remix IMO. Had they built a real campaign around that, the album could've easily given them another top 10 success. We've learned though that even that doesn't generate anywhere near enough money for the band to make a living of it, which is maybe why they don't bother with expensive marketing campaigns any more. Those days are long gone. John will have to make his living from touring mainly, same as the current Status Quo line-up. And even if he receives the lions share, JC's Quo is still merely a pub band and they don't play that many gigs per year either. I'd assume with no other job (like producer, song-writer or session drummer) beside it, he will be struggling to get by.
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Post by craydarr on Jan 21, 2017 17:09:45 GMT
John probably is better of than we would imagine, he only has a few minor writing credits but with all the re-issues in the 2000's, deluxe editions, compilations and the FF tours he can't be suffering. He is still gigging on a smaller scale admittedly, but he is the "name" in that band so he should get the larger cut. Again pure speculation. Those re-issues and similar will merely sell in small numbers to hardcore fans and collectors. I doubt a lot of money can be made from them, especially as the releases have all been low key with as near as no marketing involved. None of them will get even close to the charts. The biggest chance in that respect would've been the RAOTW remix IMO. Had they built a real campaign around that, the album could've easily given them another top 10 success. We've learned though that even that doesn't generate anywhere near enough money for the band to make a living of it, which is maybe why they don't bother with expensive marketing campaigns any more. Those days are long gone. John will have to make his living from touring mainly, same as the current Status Quo line-up. And even if he receives the lions share, JC's Quo is still merely a pub band and they don't play that many gigs per year either. I'd assume with no other job (like producer, song-writer or session drummer) beside it, he will be struggling to get by. I agree with what you are saying but surely when you take worldwide sales into account in the territories they are and were popular in, it must still mount up. 3 compilations at least in this country alone since 2000 going a minimum of silver and there has been other compilations in other territories.
From an interview after the 1st FF tour I seem to remember them saying they got 200k each approx. and then there were more dates in some bigger for the 2nd tour, then there's the DVD and album releases after that, again not massive sellers but in all territories they can still add up. I know they would have paid tax but its still a chunk.
I know he won't be in Frames league but he must be doin ok.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 21, 2017 17:22:12 GMT
Those re-issues and similar will merely sell in small numbers to hardcore fans and collectors. I doubt a lot of money can be made from them, especially as the releases have all been low key with as near as no marketing involved. None of them will get even close to the charts. The biggest chance in that respect would've been the RAOTW remix IMO. Had they built a real campaign around that, the album could've easily given them another top 10 success. We've learned though that even that doesn't generate anywhere near enough money for the band to make a living of it, which is maybe why they don't bother with expensive marketing campaigns any more. Those days are long gone. John will have to make his living from touring mainly, same as the current Status Quo line-up. And even if he receives the lions share, JC's Quo is still merely a pub band and they don't play that many gigs per year either. I'd assume with no other job (like producer, song-writer or session drummer) beside it, he will be struggling to get by. I agree with what you are saying but surely when you take worldwide sales into account in the territories they are and were popular in, it must still mount up. 3 compilations at least in this country alone since 2000 going a minimum of silver and there has been other compilations in other territories.
From an interview after the 1st FF tour I seem to remember them saying they got 200k each approx. and then there were more dates in some bigger for the 2nd tour, then there's the DVD and album releases after that, again not massive sellers but in all territories they can still add up. I know they would have paid tax but its still a chunk.
I know he won't be in Frames league but he must be doin ok.
I remember that number as well, only I thought it had been for all four together. I can't see them generating nearly a million from that few gigs, especially since the venues weren't that big either. Something else I seem to recall from back then though is, that either John or Alan (or both ?) had been in debt and needed the money for that. Still, even if it were merely 50K each, that should still have helped and 2014 should've earned them even more. On the other hand - it's not that much, when you don't have much else for an income and it has to last for more than a few months .. And I agree, it's all speculation from us, but I'd doubt his doing Ok. And I still assume John would go along happily with any project from the others that would help create additional income for him.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 21, 2017 20:08:54 GMT
Those re-issues and similar will merely sell in small numbers to hardcore fans and collectors. I doubt a lot of money can be made from them, especially as the releases have all been low key with as near as no marketing involved. None of them will get even close to the charts. The biggest chance in that respect would've been the RAOTW remix IMO. Had they built a real campaign around that, the album could've easily given them another top 10 success. We've learned though that even that doesn't generate anywhere near enough money for the band to make a living of it, which is maybe why they don't bother with expensive marketing campaigns any more. Those days are long gone. John will have to make his living from touring mainly, same as the current Status Quo line-up. And even if he receives the lions share, JC's Quo is still merely a pub band and they don't play that many gigs per year either. I'd assume with no other job (like producer, song-writer or session drummer) beside it, he will be struggling to get by. I agree with what you are saying but surely when you take worldwide sales into account in the territories they are and were popular in, it must still mount up. 3 compilations at least in this country alone since 2000 going a minimum of silver and there has been other compilations in other territories.
From an interview after the 1st FF tour I seem to remember them saying they got 200k each approx. and then there were more dates in some bigger for the 2nd tour, then there's the DVD and album releases after that, again not massive sellers but in all territories they can still add up. I know they would have paid tax but its still a chunk.
I know he won't be in Frames league but he must be doin ok.
John will get royalties from two of the bands greatest hits ROLD and BTR. As he is credited on them (even though I don't think he wrote any part of them). There has evidently been some issue with royalties to Alan over the years. As that's why certain releases were pulled at the last min about 10 years ago. However by 2011 these had all been sorted and these releases have (Nearly) all gone ahead. I suspect that Alan and John get a modest income from what they do I don't know exactly what Dayle and Gillie do but Gillie has been on game shows a lot in the past. Plus I think she runs a business.
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Post by smokie on Jan 21, 2017 22:22:56 GMT
As a side issue, but concerning the funeral, there is (what I deem to be)an excellent thread on the other board about it, I agree with almost all that's said on it,but I know if I repeated that on here I would be sin binned,, again,, point is though, its opinions being expressed, opinions which some won't like but many others will I'm not going to look but at a guess, I suppose it's another thread that has turned into a hate fest against Francis?
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 21, 2017 22:52:00 GMT
As a side issue, but concerning the funeral, there is (what I deem to be)an excellent thread on the other board about it, I agree with almost all that's said on it,but I know if I repeated that on here I would be sin binned,, again,, point is though, its opinions being expressed, opinions which some won't like but many others will I'm not going to look but at a guess, I suppose it's another thread that has turned into a hate fest against Francis? And it's about to get much much worse.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 22, 2017 8:24:55 GMT
I remember that number as well, only I thought it had been for all four together. I can't see them generating nearly a million from that few gigs, especially since the venues weren't that big either. Something else I seem to recall from back then though is, that either John or Alan (or both ?) had been in debt and needed the money for that. Still, even if it were merely 50K each, that should still have helped and 2014 should've earned them even more. On the other hand - it's not that much, when you don't have much else for an income and it has to last for more than a few months .. And I agree, it's all speculation from us, but I'd doubt his doing Ok. And I still assume John would go along happily with any project from the others that would help create additional income for him. Next thing you will be saying is that Rossi only did the FF Reunion gigs to help Alan & John and for no other reason I've no idea why the reunion tour(s) happened. It was mentioned that John had sued the band and won and the tour was done to generate that money, but how much truth there is in this and how Alan comes into it, I don't have a clue. It was said at the time that Alan came to a Quo gig on the Australian tour and apolgised to Francis and that from then on they had been talking and skyping again. Still, they had always talked with John and various of other ex-band members as well without touring with them .. Most probably will be that a number of things came together, but basically I can merely repeat that it's all speculation.
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Post by smokie on Jan 22, 2017 9:47:30 GMT
I'm not going to look but at a guess, I suppose it's another thread that has turned into a hate fest against Francis? And it's about to get much much worse. OK, I'm definitely not looking at it now then. Thanks for the tip off
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 22, 2017 9:49:07 GMT
And it's about to get much much worse. OK, I'm definitely not looking at it now then. Thanks for the tip off Actually it's started on a different thread but your right.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 22, 2017 10:48:39 GMT
Actually it's started on a different thread but your right. Indeed it has with 1 choice comment being nuked already, not that I saw anything wrong with it at all But are you not both sides of the same coin re the subject in hand
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 22, 2017 11:05:05 GMT
But are you not both sides of the same coin re the subject in hand What do you mean by that ?! I have never been so insulted in my life Not exactly happy with what a certain band member has done recently
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 22, 2017 11:12:39 GMT
Not exactly happy with what a certain band member has done recently Recently ?!! OK 36 years
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 22, 2017 11:44:20 GMT
OK 36 years Since reforming to be precise, apart from a couple of notable things. Still at least your honest about it unlike some who have been ripping Rhino a new one ever since the FF reunion. When they acted like his best mate before hand.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 22, 2017 11:52:14 GMT
Still at least your honest about it unlike some who have been ripping Rhino a new one ever since the FF reunion. When they acted like his best mate before hand. I never had a problem with Rhino, a fine bass player and has written some good material for SQ, plus released 2 very good solo albums,, I will admit he did take a bit of getting used to on stage initially though. Indeed between 1986-1999 it's funny how the best Quo tracks on the albums have been the ones written by Rhino or Rick. Francis had the odd good tune but they were more consistant.
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Post by hairykrishna on Jan 23, 2017 22:21:58 GMT
Can I just say, from all the pics I saw today, and they may not show the full picture....I really felt for his wife Lyndsay.....she seemed to be on her own....I hope it was just the pics we saw. They may have not been together but we know when Rick woke up from his coma he thought he was still married to marrieta. So, I really hope Lyndsay had support today. God bless her and their children. I thought exactly the same thing yesterday, I'm hoping it was not the case though, I'm sure it wasn't. I'm wondering if mr Rossi will get on board with Alan and John and do something with this song now Rick has past on as a kind of tribute.
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Post by smokie on Jan 23, 2017 22:32:19 GMT
I thought exactly the same thing yesterday, I'm hoping it was not the case though, I'm sure it wasn't. I'm wondering if mr Rossi will get on board with Alan and John and do something with this song now Rick has past on as a kind of tribute. I thought exactly the same thing when I read about this. Some didn't want Francis to have anything to do with the PLC project as it was he who brought the FF reunions to an end and they still might feel the same? Let bygones be bygones? Think it would be a nice tribute if they could unite and record something in Rick's memory. If they are able to of course.
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Post by smokie on Jan 25, 2017 12:43:14 GMT
I thought exactly the same thing when I read about this. Some didn't want Francis to have anything to do with the PLC project as it was he who brought the FF reunions to an end and they still might feel the same? Let bygones be bygones? Think it would be a nice tribute if they could unite and record something in Rick's memory. If they are able to of course. Rossi, as I understood it was all for PLC, he wanted nothing to do with it then, rightly so, it wasn't his thing, Aquatic was his thing, so I see no reason at all why he should wish to get involved now. If he wanted to do a tribute for Rick I would suggest it would be better if it was done by FRQ Come on Ive, you don't like Aquostic which is fair enough but I think you demean your argument somewhat by the petty tag of Aquatic, don't you think?
You are better than that.
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