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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 2, 2017 10:52:25 GMT
They may be finsished vocals/Guitar/Bass but they may only be in demo format. Though with the quality of demos these days they will still be pretty good.
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Post by craydarr on Jan 2, 2017 13:19:43 GMT
Do you think Frame should also add to the tracks and they can then put it out as the final FF tracks?
Also if Rick had tracks lying around could they also add to those, FF or CQ. As per the Beatles.?
What are your thought, me I'm not so sure
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Post by ant on Jan 2, 2017 16:21:30 GMT
It's easy enough to record stuff with each of the participants in a different location. Unusual to put the drums on late in the process - the drums should be in control of the song - a good drummer is the captain of the ship, as it were. However, these days it is not difficult to do this sort of thing.
The songs should only be released if they are good enough - a tribute needs to be of appropriate quality or it is not a tribute!
If they are not up to scratch then a release could be done for the fan club, message board and Facebook members/users with a clear statemnt as to the quality.
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Post by smokie on Jan 3, 2017 1:52:37 GMT
It's easy enough to record stuff with each of the participants in a different location. Unusual to put the drums on late in the process - the drums should be in control of the song - a good drummer is the captain of the ship, as it were. However, these days it is not difficult to do this sort of thing. The songs should only be released if they are good enough - a tribute needs to be of appropriate quality or it is not a tribute! If they are not up to scratch then a release could be done for the fan club, message board and Facebook members/users with a clear statemnt as to the quality. They can no doubt be cleaned up, of that I have no doubt at all, but they should be released whatever, maybe they could be tagged on to Recorded Delivery ? As you know, I'm not really a fan of Recorded Delivery but I think that's a pretty good idea.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 3, 2017 10:21:23 GMT
As you know, I'm not really a fan of Recorded Delivery but I think that's a pretty good idea. I'm the first to admit its not the best album in the world, but I really do think it deserves a proper official release, after being cleaned up etc, as a mark of respect I'm actually not sure if the release of an under par album would be a good mark of respect. I too think that all of the songs that Rick has written and for his solo album should be released in one form or other. And I'm aware that Alan and John are keen to get the two songs out they're involved with, but I'm not sure how. RD though definitely isn't good enough to reflect what Rick's been about IMO. Maybe a record with various guests recording them would be best, John and Alan could do their two songs, the Queen boys could do one or two .. There have been enough big names offering condolences - why not involve some of them ? And I think his son RPJ should be included too. That would be more appropriate (if the material is good enough) - and it would sell.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 3, 2017 10:38:17 GMT
I'm actually not sure if the release of an under par album would be a good mark of respect. I too think that all of the songs that Rick has written and for his solo album should be released in one form or other. And I'm aware that Alan and John are keen to get the two songs out they're involved with, but I'm not sure how. RD though definitely isn't good enough to reflect what Rick's been about IMO. Maybe a record with various guests recording them would be best, John and Alan could do their two songs, the Queen boys could do one or two .. There have been enough big names offering condolences - why not involve some of them ? And I think his son RPJ should be included too. That would be more appropriate (if the material is good enough) - and it would sell. Rossi released KOTD, and that was severely under par, so I see no prob in releasing Recorded Delivery. So your reasoning goes that if somebody releases an under par album, then somebody else shoult do it too ? Francis didn't write most of the Doghouse songs and wasn't involved with the production either and he's not happy about the sound. Don't you think if Rick had been that happy with RD he'd not have pushed for a release a long time ago already ? Instead he decided to record all new material for a solo album. A RP album is going to be bought not only by fans, but by people across the spectrum, who buy albums from dead artists - sad but true. You want them to think that this was the best Rick could come up with ? IMO he deserves better. A tribute album with the new songs involving big names would make them aware that he must've been someone big too ..
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Post by snakelady on Jan 3, 2017 10:55:04 GMT
So your reasoning goes that if somebody releases an under par album, then somebody else shoult do it too ? Francis didn't write most of the Doghouse songs and wasn't involved with the production either and he's not happy about the sound. Don't you think if Rick had been that happy with RD he'd not have pushed for a release a long time ago already ? Instead he decided to record all new material for a solo album. A RP album is going to be bought not only by fans, but by people across the spectrum, who buy albums from dead artists - sad but true. You want them to think that this was the best Rick could come up with ? IMO he deserves better. A tribute album with the new songs involving big names would make them aware that he must've been someone big too .. Ah I see, so it wasnt Rossi's fault his solo album wasn't good ?! thats a new one on me , a Rossi solo album was only ever gonna be bought by Rossi/Quo fans. Regardless of what you say, I do feel releasing Recorded Delivery, officially, is a must, after more work has been done on it, its no masterpiece, but is at the very least, on par with the drivel Rossi released solo. New songs with big names ?!, you mean songs written in tribute to Rick ?, nope, disagree with that. I just hope, the 2 new songs due to be completed have no Rossi involvement at all, if Rossi wants to pay tribute to his friend of many years, then maybe he should write a tribute song to him and record it with FRQ ? I've explained above that I'm talking about the new songs Rick has written and isn't able to do himself anymore. And stop insulting Francis. Just because you don't like his albums doesn't mean they are bad. As I like most of them you're insulting me with your comments too. Nobody is going to compare RD to Rossi's solo albums and think 'ah, at least this is better than those'. The album buying public will take it for what it is - and when it's not that great that's what they'll think about Rick and not some twisted comparison with somebody else. Leave RD be is what I say and make something appealing of Rick's new songs (including some big names if possible). That would be much fairer towards Rick IMO than anything from the drug infested 80s.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 3, 2017 11:02:10 GMT
So your reasoning goes that if somebody releases an under par album, then somebody else shoult do it too ? Francis didn't write most of the Doghouse songs and wasn't involved with the production either and he's not happy about the sound. Don't you think if Rick had been that happy with RD he'd not have pushed for a release a long time ago already ? Instead he decided to record all new material for a solo album. A RP album is going to be bought not only by fans, but by people across the spectrum, who buy albums from dead artists - sad but true. You want them to think that this was the best Rick could come up with ? IMO he deserves better. A tribute album with the new songs involving big names would make them aware that he must've been someone big too .. Ah I see, so it wasnt Rossi's fault his solo album was c.r.a.p ?! thats a new one on me , a Rossi solo album was only ever gonna be bought by Rossi/Quo fans. Regardless of what you say, I do feel releasing Recorded Delivery, officially, is a must, after more work has been done on it, its no masterpiece, but is at the very least, on par with the drivel Rossi released solo. New songs with big names ?!, you mean songs written in tribute to Rick ?, nope, disagree with that. I just hope, the 2 new songs due to be completed have no Rossi involvement at all, if Rossi wants to pay tribute to his friend of many years, then maybe he should write a tribute song to him and record it with FRQ ? Francis has admitted that KOTD was not a proper solo album from him. He says it started out that way but it became a vehicle for Tony McAnaney. Who had written a couple of songs for TW, he never wrote anymore songs for Quo after KOTD. One Step At A Time is a much better album and is more true to what a Francis Rossi solo album should sound like. To turn this on it's head Recorded Delivery is not really what a Rick Parfitt solo album should sound like. Now cleaned up it might sound OK but still not Rick at his best. Maybe a better idea would be to release a Rick Quo Best of with the new tracks on the end. including WYW/LOAI/ATR/LL/LM/Rain/MS/RR, to me that would be more commercial and a better representation of what Rick was all about.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 3, 2017 11:12:48 GMT
And stop insulting Francis. Just because you don't like his albums doesn't mean they are bad. As I like most of them you're insulting me with your comments too. Nobody is going to compare RD to Rossi's solo albums and think 'ah, at least this is better than those'. The album buying public will take it for what it is - and when it's not that great that's what they'll think about Rick and not some twisted comparison with somebody else. Leave RD be is what I say and make something appealing of Rick's new songs (including some big names if possible). That would be much fairer towards Rick IMO than anything from the drug infested 80s. ,,,, I fail to see whats insulting yer beloved Judas Rossi by saying his solo album was c.r.a.p ?!,, just because you don't like RD don't mean its bad either does it ?! Touche I believe ,,, again !!,, its hardly any wonder Rossi fans are getting a deserved pasting elsewhere Yes I agree, make something of Ricks last songs,, just leave Rossi out of it What you fail to see is that you're a lot more biased than anybody you accuse of it . IMO all of them wrote mostly bad songs during the 80s, for me it's the worst decade in Quo history and Rick deserves a legacy better than anything from that time. And why bring Francis into it all the time ?? This thread has nothing to do with Francis - it's about Rick's new songs and what best to do with them ..
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Post by magicaxeman on Jan 3, 2017 15:51:04 GMT
It's easy enough to record stuff with each of the participants in a different location. Unusual to put the drums on late in the process - the drums should be in control of the song - a good drummer is the captain of the ship, as it were. However, these days it is not difficult to do this sort of thing. The songs should only be released if they are good enough - a tribute needs to be of appropriate quality or it is not a tribute! If they are not up to scratch then a release could be done for the fan club, message board and Facebook members/users with a clear statemnt as to the quality. Nah you don't need the drummer up front these days, work to a click track and then the drummer records their parts using the same click track as a guide. Its pretty easy to do stuff when in different countries if you all have a half decent broadband connection, just save the parts as 24 bit/ 16 bit wav's and email them to your band mates then mix down the whole lot when theyre done. I'm sure decades ago Rick had a solo album recorded but it was never released?
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Post by snakelady on Jan 4, 2017 9:37:24 GMT
It's easy enough to record stuff with each of the participants in a different location. Unusual to put the drums on late in the process - the drums should be in control of the song - a good drummer is the captain of the ship, as it were. However, these days it is not difficult to do this sort of thing. The songs should only be released if they are good enough - a tribute needs to be of appropriate quality or it is not a tribute! If they are not up to scratch then a release could be done for the fan club, message board and Facebook members/users with a clear statemnt as to the quality. Nah you don't need the drummer up front these days, work to a click track and then the drummer records their parts using the same click track as a guide. Its pretty easy to do stuff when in different countries if you all have a half decent broadband connection, just save the parts as 24 bit/ 16 bit wav's and email them to your band mates then mix down the whole lot when theyre done. I'm sure decades ago Rick had a solo album recorded but it was never released? The solo album was called Recorded Delivery. It's the one we're talking about in connection with what to do with the new songs: Release the albums and add the songs as bonus tracks or find another (better) solution ?
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 4, 2017 14:29:17 GMT
Francis has admitted that KOTD was not a proper solo album from him. He says it started out that way but it became a vehicle for Tony McAnaney. Who had written a couple of songs for TW, he never wrote anymore songs for Quo after KOTD. One Step At A Time is a much better album and is more true to what a Francis Rossi solo album should sound like. To turn this on it's head Recorded Delivery is not really what a Rick Parfitt solo album should sound like. Now cleaned up it might sound OK but still not Rick at his best. Maybe a better idea would be to release a Rick Quo Best of with the new tracks on the end. including WYW/LOAI/ATR/LL/LM/Rain/MS/RR, to me that would be more commercial and a better representation of what Rick was all about. Rossi would have had the last say as to if it was released, and no way, given his track record, would he have allowed for it to be released if he felt it was under par. A Rick Quo best of ?hmm, interesting,, stuff from the FF era then I put this list together on the other side. A 20 track best of could look like this 1 WYW 2 Again & Again 3 Little Lady 4 BFM 5 Rockers Rollin 6 All The Reasons 7 Oh What A Night 8 Rain 9 Living On An Island 10 Don't Drive My Car 11 Resurrection or Coming and Going 12 A Reason For Living or Lonley Man 13 Shine On 14 Obstruction Day or One Man Band 15 For You 16 Mystery Song 17 4500 Times 18 Where I Am 19 New Song 20 New Song I have deliberatly left out songs like Unspoken Words and Too Close To The Ground. As UW is not a Rick penned song though he does sing it. TCTTG is a Rick Penned song but Francis sings it. You could make it a double disc if you wanted to include more 80s onwards tracks. Even stuff like When My Mind Is Not Live which was the first co write song Rick had on a Quo album.
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Post by ant on Jan 4, 2017 17:08:18 GMT
It's easy enough to record stuff with each of the participants in a different location. Unusual to put the drums on late in the process - the drums should be in control of the song - a good drummer is the captain of the ship, as it were. However, these days it is not difficult to do this sort of thing. The songs should only be released if they are good enough - a tribute needs to be of appropriate quality or it is not a tribute! If they are not up to scratch then a release could be done for the fan club, message board and Facebook members/users with a clear statemnt as to the quality. Nah you don't need the drummer up front these days, work to a click track and then the drummer records their parts using the same click track as a guide. Its pretty easy to do stuff when in different countries if you all have a half decent broadband connection, just save the parts as 24 bit/ 16 bit wav's and email them to your band mates then mix down the whole lot when theyre done. I'm sure decades ago Rick had a solo album recorded but it was never released? Beg to differ on the first point, my friend - I think a song always sounds better with the drums recorded first so that the rest play to the drummer and not a sterile click track. I always prefer bass recorded second too. But then as a drummer myself...... The rest I agree with. Rick had a solo album which was never released - 5 or 6 of the tracks were released as Quo b-sides, though I would speculate that some of the parts were added by Francis and Andy.
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Post by gav on Jan 4, 2017 19:39:43 GMT
Fairly sure neither Francis or Andy had anything to do with Rick's tracks. Francis will have taken songwriting credits as they both (R & P) had pretty expensive habits at the time. Whether that was a mutual agreement, who knows.
Pip played the lead guitars, and the keys/synths are minimal anyway so I'd guess Rick played them.
My tuppence worth.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 4, 2017 19:58:43 GMT
Fairly sure neither Francis or Andy had anything to do with Rick's tracks. Francis will have taken songwriting credits as they both (R & P) had pretty expensive habits at the time. Whether that was a mutual agreement, who knows. Pip played the lead guitars, and the keys/synths are minimal anyway so I'd guess Rick played them. My tuppence worth. Some of the tracks like Keep Me Guessing and Late Last Night were written by both of them. As they were written in the late 70s, there are demo's from 1979 around of both these tracks. I don't think Andy or Francis are on the 1986 B sides as they were mainly the RD versions recorded the year before. Micky Moody is also doing some of the guitar work on some tracks.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 5, 2017 9:53:22 GMT
Rossi would have had the last say as to if it was released, and no way, given his track record, would he have allowed for it to be released if he felt it was under par. A Rick Quo best of ?hmm, interesting,, stuff from the FF era then I put this list together on the other side. A 20 track best of could look like this 1 WYW 2 Again & Again 3 Little Lady 4 BFM 5 Rockers Rollin 6 All The Reasons 7 Oh What A Night 8 Rain 9 Living On An Island 10 Don't Drive My Car 11 Resurrection or Coming and Going 12 A Reason For Living or Lonley Man 13 Shine On 14 Obstruction Day or One Man Band 15 For You 16 Mystery Song 17 4500 Times 18 Where I Am 19 New Song 20 New Song I have deliberatly left out songs like Unspoken Words and Too Close To The Ground. As UW is not a Rick penned song though he does sing it. TCTTG is a Rick Penned song but Francis sings it. You could make it a double disc if you wanted to include more 80s onwards tracks. Even stuff like When My Mind Is Not Live which was the first co write song Rick had on a Quo album. Hey, you left out Good Sign too and I love that ! Not sure about something like this can be sold as a RP album. IMO this would be merely yet another Quo compilation. Make it a double album instead and these songs would be CD2 (same as the usual greatest hits CD2 with Quo), while CD1 should merely consist of songs that haven't been touched by Quo so far and shouldn't be in the future either - apart from the two songs with Alan and John. Else you'd only emphasise 'Rick, the member of Status Quo' as opposed to 'Rick the musician, who can be taken serious on his own too'. I'm aware that's stretching the truth a little bit, but IMO that's how Rick on his own should be sold. Actually stuff like Babyface would have to come into it somewhere as well, as that's one facet of his musical personality too ..
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