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Post by snakelady on Dec 28, 2016 9:45:15 GMT
I've deliberately put the question like this, although for me there's only one answer and that's: Yes, most definitely !
On the surface you could say, they were going to play electric gigs in summer with Ritchie and acoustic gigs in winter with Freddie and/or Ritchie and Rick was going to do solo stuff and never going to return to the band anyway. It's just that I simply refused to believe the last part. Maybe Rick wasn't going to do regular tours with the band anymore, but I expected him to be there for special electric occasions and acoustic gigs, especially when sitting down aren't as demanding physically, as Rick himself pointed out last time. I was actually convinced that special occasions including Rick were already in the pipeline - just not announced yet.
I've got to come to terms with the finality of it all, the 'Rick won't be back, ever' bit. For the band, especially Francis, it will be similar, just a lot worse as it's no more talking, laughing, playing guitar and doing so many more things together ever again. And as band members they'll have known what they were going to do together with Rick in 2017, were probably looking forward to it - 50 years of Status Quo after all .. But all those plans have disappeared on 24th Dec. as well.
So what's there left to do alternatively ? Is there anything left at all that makes sense ?
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Post by smokie on Dec 28, 2016 10:23:37 GMT
Before Saturday, I though the band would just continue as they were. I expected more electric shows and more acoustic ones too.
I know Rick had said that he wouldn't be back but I had hoped that he would, really hoped. I just thought he was still recovering, feeling a bit down and once he was back to A1 fitness, I hoped he'd return for at least one more electric show, and for it to be filmed for posterity. I thought the Aquostic shows would have been ideal for him.
I think it will take Francis a long time to get over this but I doubt if he ever will. Whilst Rick was still here, there was the hope that they'd perform together again but that's gone now. Forever.
I mentioned this to someone at the weekend, that when Francis and Rick were together, laughs and smiles (on stage anyway) never seemed to be far away. In the TPAOY video/promo, at the start of the last verse, when the band are in the field, Rick says something to Francis and they both crease up with laughter, and it looks genuine laughter too. It always looked as if it was Rick that was cracking the jokes and that's gone forever now for Francis and I wonder if he'll ever get over that.
I hope it doesn't but what's happened might make Francis think "What's the point?" and will have knocked the wind right out of Francis' sails and no-one knows when he'll recover from this.
If ever.
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Post by aitchfrossi on Dec 28, 2016 15:00:51 GMT
Well said Inna...the band will be in total shock...Rick was always going to be ok...now that thought has been taken away.and Francis especially has lost his best friend ...a brother in all but blood...the other book end ...however you say it he will not want to think about it
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Dec 28, 2016 15:26:42 GMT
I would think that as Contracts have been signed and that as they did the last tour without Rick. The money men will not see Rick's death as an excuse to cancel. The band probably won't want to do it but they won't have much choice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 20:10:15 GMT
I hope FR shuts Quo down now. I really think it is the honourable thing to do. It wasn't Quo over the last few months, but at least RP was getting his share of any revenue. Now that is not relevant then I think then Quo should not continue.
If FR wants to do something then go solo.
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Post by snakelady on Dec 31, 2016 10:46:37 GMT
I hope FR shuts Quo down now. I really think it is the honourable thing to do. It wasn't Quo over the last few months, but at least RP was getting his share of any revenue. Now that is not relevant then I think then Quo should not continue. If FR wants to do something then go solo. Even if Francis wanted to fold Quo now, he won't be able till at least the end of the year. Contracts for gigs have been signed well in advance and tickets for the rest of the year have been on sale for a while. We already have our tickets for the acoustic gig in Baden-Baden next Dec. And yes, I admit I had been expecting that Rick would be back by then, despite his recent statements about not returning. After all acoustic gigs are less demanding and he'd have been longing to get up on a stage by then .. There just hadn't been any finality about Quo gigs without Rick till his tragic and sudden death. And I expect some special celebration(s) of the 50 years of Quo anniversary has been planned and booked as well. I wonder what is going to become of that now .. So Francis will be free to do what he wants to without Quo in 2018 the earliest ..
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Post by magicaxeman on Jan 1, 2017 16:03:41 GMT
I know Ricks gone but one thing needs to be made crystal clear, there was never any chance of Rick playing live again, not as part of a tour, a one off show or a cameo. the simple fact is that no insurance company would have covered him period ! These days you HAVE to have insurance to play, no insurance, you don't play. Apart from all that he would never have been willing to risk playing, as he said himself he gets pumped before playing as we all do, the heart starts to race, the adrenaline starts to flow and for a normal healthy adult thats not a problem but for a heart as badly damaged as Ricks was its a huge risk, not a risk of getting sick but a risk of dying.
Maybe now Rick has died some of you will realise how badly his heart was damaged, the infection may have been the agent that killed him but his heart was weak and damaged, it didn't have the strength to allow him to fight the infection, we also fail to realise that such traumatic events such as his heart attack can leave a person with a depressed immune system, I myself suffer with this and I can tell you that even the flu can become a life or death battle.
Yes we all thought he was indestructible, hell Rick thought he was too but I think people where naive thinking he could bounce back from that last one.
I also think amongst other things this will be making Frame sit up and think about his own future, reflect on his own mortality, I mean Frame had been talking about retiring for a while, maybe this will make him realise that he's knocking on the door or 3 score and 10, so its time to sit back and enjoy his remaining years rather than work himself to death.
I would hope they fulfil their current commitments tour wise and then call it a day, go out with grace and enjoy their retirement.
PS how the hell did Keith Richards outlive Rick? its baffling me how he's still breathing!!
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 1, 2017 17:16:57 GMT
I know Ricks gone but one thing needs to be made crystal clear, there was never any chance of Rick playing live again, not as part of a tour, a one off show or a cameo. the simple fact is that no insurance company would have covered him period ! These days you HAVE to have insurance to play, no insurance, you don't play. Apart from all that he would never have been willing to risk playing, as he said himself he gets pumped before playing as we all do, the heart starts to race, the adrenaline starts to flow and for a normal healthy adult thats not a problem but for a heart as badly damaged as Ricks was its a huge risk, not a risk of getting sick but a risk of dying. Maybe now Rick has died some of you will realise how badly his heart was damaged, the infection may have been the agent that killed him but his heart was weak and damaged, it didn't have the strength to allow him to fight the infection, we also fail to realise that such traumatic events such as his heart attack can leave a person with a depressed immune system, I myself suffer with this and I can tell you that even the flu can become a life or death battle. Yes we all thought he was indestructible, hell Rick thought he was too but I think people where naive thinking he could bounce back from that last one. I also think amongst other things this will be making Frame sit up and think about his own future, reflect on his own mortality, I mean Frame had been talking about retiring for a while, maybe this will make him realise that he's knocking on the door or 3 score and 10, so its time to sit back and enjoy his remaining years rather than work himself to death. I would hope they fulfil their current commitments tour wise and then call it a day, go out with grace and enjoy their retirement. PS how the hell did Keith Richards outlive Rick? its baffling me how he's still breathing!! I agree with what you say above, especially the bit about completing current commitments and retiring,, the only thing thats making me wonder is that Porter said they were planning some "evening with" appearances, why would he have said that if Rick, was never going to be able to do them ? That might have meant a "chat on stage" type of thing. That would not have been to taxing to his heart, unlike going 0-100 mph when starting a Quo gig with Caroline.
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Post by magicaxeman on Jan 2, 2017 11:23:39 GMT
From my understanding the "Evening with" events where planned as a sit down chat type of event where the audience could listen to Rick talking about his experiences both on and off the road
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Post by frozenhero on Jan 4, 2017 20:14:22 GMT
If FR wants to do something then go solo. He cant as there isnt enough interest in him solo to keep his bank balance topped up, so he has to keep using the brand name to do that, imvho He has signed a solo contract, so he will definitely try his luck once again.
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Post by craydarr on Jan 5, 2017 6:34:52 GMT
If FR wants to do something then go solo. He cant as there isnt enough interest in him solo to keep his bank balance topped up, so he has to keep using the brand name to do that, imvho The thing is tho. if Quo stopped would the be more interest in Rossi's LIVE output as the public would want to to hear quo tracks played by an original member. A kind of "Francis Rossi from Status Quo" type billing. He he also gets more share of the pie that way....
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Post by smokie on Jan 5, 2017 13:59:47 GMT
If Mick Jagger and Keith Richards are unable to have a successful solo career when they are part of the biggest band on the planet, what chance does Francis have?
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Post by mortified on Jan 5, 2017 17:08:10 GMT
I wonder what the insurance situation is now that Rick is no longer with us? Are they more likely to get good insurance and to be able to cancel gigs without pretty much going to the wall? Or has the damage been done? I have no idea how it works. As already said, contracts have been signed and tickets sold. I've got a couple myself for June. So these gigs will have to be fulfilled. After that? Who knows? From a personal point of view, much as I like it, I don't think the Aquostic thing will last long term. It surely has limited popular appeal. But I could be wrong. I make many mistakes ((c) Raymond Chandler ). But they only have two Aquostic albums to pull material from. Does that mean a new one every couple of years? Suits me but I can't really see it. Again as already mentioned, a mainstay has gone, Francis is approaching 70, Andy is already there and Rhino not that far behind. I suspect there will be a taking of stock. They'll see how the year pans out. If at the end of it, it's not been enjoyable, successful or a combination of both what would be the point of carrying on? However, if it is successful and enjoyable, this is Quo. They'll keep going. Because they can and because they want to. And on a slightly positive note, a share of the funds coming in will presumably be diverted to Rick's estate. So in answer to the topic heading, everything has changed but, strangely, maybe nothing has changed.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 5, 2017 18:17:32 GMT
I wonder what the insurance situation is now that Rick is no longer with us? Are they more likely to get good insurance and to be able to cancel gigs without pretty much going to the wall? Or has the damage been done? I have no idea how it works. As already said, contracts have been signed and tickets sold. I've got a couple myself for June. So these gigs will have to be fulfilled. After that? Who knows? From a personal point of view, much as I like it, I don't think the Aquostic thing will last long term. It surely has limited popular appeal. But I could be wrong. I make many mistakes ((c) Raymond Chandler ). But they only have two Aquostic albums to pull material from. Does that mean a new one every couple of years? Suits me but I can't really see it. Again as already mentioned, a mainstay has gone, Francis is approaching 70, Andy is already there and Rhino not that far behind. I suspect there will be a taking of stock. They'll see how the year pans out. If at the end of it, it's not been enjoyable, successful or a combination of both what would be the point of carrying on? However, if it is successful and enjoyable, this is Quo. They'll keep going. Because they can and because they want to. And on a slightly positive note, a share of the funds coming in will presumably be diverted to Rick's estate. So in answer to the topic heading, everything has changed but, strangely, maybe nothing has changed. The gig in 2018 will be the last I should think. Insurance for the upcoming gigs would be ok should they fall ill, like the one in Paris rescheduled fine as they were covered for that. I find it unlikely that they would be covered against cancelling the rest of this year's shows because Rick died. They might have been if he had died back in June before the last tour happened. However now because they did the gigs without Rick Insurance are bound to say "what's the problem".
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Post by snakelady on Jan 6, 2017 9:13:35 GMT
From my understanding the "Evening with" events where planned as a sit down chat type of event where the audience could listen to Rick talking about his experiences both on and off the road That's how I read it too. I seem to remember that Francis and Rick once did something similar while the legal battle with Alan was still ongoing, as they weren't allowed to tour as Status Quo during the time. Anybody remember this or did go to one of those err .. talk shows even ?
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Post by smokie on Jan 6, 2017 13:01:49 GMT
I thought the Hallenstadion date was this year, didn't realise that it's 2018. As said above, I think that this will be the last hurrah for the band and I think I'm going to make a real effort to attend. Always fancied that one and I don't think that there'll be another chance after that one.
Perhaps with recent events, everyone in the band will realise that time is precious and if they want to try, or attempt other things then they might want to consider their options now. Look at Rick, he had all these plans for the future and yet he never got the opportunity to complete them, or to enjoy a happy and deserved retirement.
Still can't believe that Rick is gone.
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Post by aitchfrossi on Jan 6, 2017 14:19:38 GMT
How sad that Francis has lost a life long friend ...50 years is a hell of a friendship...I know because I too have a friendship lasting this long...people on here say they were arguing and falling out...this is hear say ... anyone who has good long time friends knows that part of that friendship is not always agreeing with each other but always there for each other...I cannot believe how grown people have started name calling and gossiping since Ricks death...unless you actually lived with them you cannot say what has gone on.....it would not have been a healthy work ethic to all be of same opinion all the time ... things need change ...let the memory of Rick rest in peace and stop presuming you know what his life was lije
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Post by snakelady on Jan 11, 2017 9:09:54 GMT
He has signed a solo contract, so he will definitely try his luck once again. A new solo contract ?, if so, that's very good news indeed It's not new - the contract had been signed in autumn 2014 already. Only Francis has pushed it back because other Quo projects were more important. Now with the album with Hannah Rickard ready for release in spring it might get pushed back yet another year - if it ever is released at all. Francis has voiced doubts, despite the material obviously already existing in major parts. We know how self-critical the guy is and he may not consider it good enough ? Just speculating of course ..
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Post by snakelady on Jan 12, 2017 6:53:37 GMT
It's not new - the contract had been signed in autumn 2014 already. Only Francis has pushed it back because other Quo projects were more important. Now with the album with Hannah Rickard ready for release in spring it might get pushed back yet another year - if it ever is released at all. Francis has voiced doubts, despite the material obviously already existing in major parts. We know how self-critical the guy is and he may not consider it good enough ? Just speculating of course .. I see, shame he hadnt signed one before then, that would have spared us some appalling songs released under the SQ brand name , oh I forget, he did have another solo contract yet still released his solo material under the SQ brand name Why would he push back his new solo album ?, can't be because he don'n think the material is good enough, well KOTD got released didnt it ?!, and wasn't it you that told me that Rossi would have no say in if it got released or not No I didn't .. And KOTD was a very different story. At the time he was very unsure about his own material, so was quite content to do someone else's songs as a favour. He did like the songs, but not the production. Incidentally I like most of the songs as well and most of the production. The album sounds very different to OSAAT and to anything Quo have ever released. Francis has always put Quo first and pushed own projects back for the bands sake (I'm aware though that you don't want to hear that ..).
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 12, 2017 15:44:46 GMT
No I didn't .. And KOTD was a very different story. At the time he was very unsure about his own material, so was quite content to do someone else's songs as a favour. He did like the songs, but not the production. Incidentally I like most of the songs as well and most of the production. The album sounds very different to OSAAT and to anything Quo have ever released. Francis has always put Quo first and pushed own projects back for the bands sake (I'm aware though that you don't want to hear that ..). I stand corrected then, Im sure it was you that said (after I had mentioned how lousy KOTD was) that Rossi would have had no say in if it was released or not. Always put Quo first has he ?!, not in my opinion, as much of his material intended for solo release ended up on Quo albums. That only started happening around '82 with songs like 'Jealous', 'I wonder why' etc... that ended up coming out as singles under Rossi and Frost but the album was turned down and never released... same with everyone's attempt at solo albums during that time
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 12, 2017 15:49:18 GMT
I don't see them cancelling the gigs purely because Rossi needs the money... and that's not a bad thing. He has bills to pay and what not... most of his money has either ended up his nose or someone else's. And even if he doesn't want to do these gigs now he HAS to simply because he will be sued for not performing losing even more money. Sure Quo have enough in their vaults to earn money for a couple years but, they still have to pay people to clean them up, do the promotion and marketing for them.
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Post by snakelady on Jan 13, 2017 9:34:31 GMT
I don't see them cancelling the gigs purely because Rossi needs the money... and that's not a bad thing. He has bills to pay and what not... most of his money has either ended up his nose or someone else's. And even if he doesn't want to do these gigs now he HAS to simply because he will be sued for not performing losing even more money. Sure Quo have enough in their vaults to earn money for a couple years but, they still have to pay people to clean them up, do the promotion and marketing for them. Never mind the quality take the dosh anyway then Of course he/they cannot cancel what they have legally committed to with gigs, and I'm sure many may attend out of sympathy, understandable of course, but def still not for me, Quo ended in 2016, they no longer exist in their true form. So Quo were Quo in 62 when they consisted of the two Alans and Francis, played brass and didn't even have a name, but not anymore now ? Interesting definition .. I actually agree about the starting point, but when I accept change of personnel, style and even instruments back then, I can't say it's not Quo anymore now ..
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