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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 9:11:45 GMT
I noted in other threads there's been a call for Quo to change their name to 'Francis Rossi's Quo' if they continue to tour beyond this year. 'Jeff Lynne's ELO' has been cited as an example of where this works.
As someone who's keen for Quo to continue then the suggested name change is fine by me. I've seen ELO this year and have tickets for Wembley next year to see them, I tell everyone I'm going to see 'ELO', the official name passes me by.
Question is though, is it really that simple? Would Rossi changing the name to FRQ really appease those fans who no longer see the current band as Status Quo?
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Post by snakelady on Dec 21, 2016 9:29:00 GMT
I'll have to repeat myself here: Yes, it's one way of seeing it, with Rick out (at least for the foreseeable future). BUT Quo is more than just Francis and Rick. Andy and Rhino have been band members for longer than Alan or John have ever been. So they definitely deserve to be classed as full band members - same as R+F. In consequence Quo still consists of three very long term (30+ years !) members, which makes it a very different case compared to ELO.
To change the name to FRQ would be highly disrespectful towards Andy and Rhino IMO.
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Post by mortified on Dec 21, 2016 9:43:24 GMT
Using the analogy made by Snakelady I agree about Rhino and Andy being long term members. However, this raises the question of what if Francis left? Would or should Rhino and Andy continue and also use the Status Quo name given their length of service? Putting aside the business aspect of it for the moment that is. Would it still be Quo? Would it have been Quo had Alan stayed and Francis left back in 1985? With Jeff Rich on drums and another lead singer and guitarist. Or would it have been Rick and Alan's Quo? The simple answer, frankly, is that if you think it is - it is. And if you don't then it isn't. And you act accordingly. You carry on seeing the band and enjoying it if you still do. Or you sell off all the stuff you no longer want and move on. For the brief period of life the band have left you with I personally don't think this is Francis Rossi's Quo at the moment. No more than it ever was that is. You can see it on stage. But I appreciate that other's do. But if they did change the name - which they won't - what purpose would it serve? To create a distinction that SOME fans want? Get real.
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Post by snakelady on Dec 21, 2016 9:44:09 GMT
I'll have to repeat myself here: Yes, it's one way of seeing it, with Rick out (at least for the foreseeable future). BUT Quo is more than just Francis and Rick. Andy and Rhino have been band members for longer than Alan or John have ever been. So they definitely deserve to be classed as full band members - same as R+F. In consequence Quo still consists of three very long term (30+ years !) members, which makes it a very different case compared to ELO. To change the name to FRQ would be highly disrespectful towards Andy and Rhino IMO. Ok then, so if Quo is more than just Rossi and Parfitt, why did the other band members rarely ( it at all) feature in any promo interviews ?, was it perhaps because Rossi and Parfitt were the face of Quo ?! As for yer last comment, allow me to ask you this, if Rossi also wasnt there, just Rhino and Andrew, would you still call that Quo ? You can have your opinion and answer to Marc's question and I have mine. full-stop. Just because someone isn't the public face of a band doesn't make them any less of a band member or musician, especially where the actual making of the music is concerned and not just some interview on the telly.
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Post by snakelady on Dec 21, 2016 9:55:04 GMT
You can have your opinion and answer to Marc's question and I have mine. full-stop. Just because someone isn't the public face of a band doesn't make them any less of a band member or musician, especially where the actual making of the music is concerned and not just some interview on the telly. Your argument holds no substance I will ask you again, if no Rossi, just Rhino and Andrew, would you still regard it as Quo ? I know, you always have to have the last word .. but it doesn't make sense to challenge an opinion that is based on personal taste and preferences.
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Post by mortified on Dec 21, 2016 9:55:08 GMT
Just this minute, the live CD's from Zurich, Amsterdam, London and Birmingham have dropped through my letter box in a lovely packaged box set. Very nice. Inside each of the CD digipaks its says "Status Quo are Francis Rossi, Rick Parfitt, Andrew Bown, John 'Rhino' Edwards and Leon Cave". Underneath and a few spaces down it says "guest guitarist Richie Malone". Rick will get the royalties from my purchase. While Richie does all the work. Just kiddin' with that last bit but you can see the point I'm making.
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Post by smokie on Dec 21, 2016 10:06:55 GMT
Change the name to Francis Rossi's Status Quo? At the moment, I don't think that is necessary, nor do I think it ever will be.
As far as I am aware, Francis and Rick BOTH own the name Status Quo (or the majority of it).
If Rick recovers sufficiently to go out and perform live, then it might change, Rick Parfitt's Quo? in that case, Francis might feel the need to put his name in front of the band but I'd doubt it. I know John plays with JCQ but I think it unlikley if the casual punter will mistake that band with the one that is touring the UK just now.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Dec 21, 2016 11:40:14 GMT
Thing is with Jeff Lynne, i'm not sure if that's just self promotion. As Jeff owns the name ELO after he bought out Bev Bevan in 2000. From the Classic line up it's Jeff and Richard Tandy who is touring. When David Gilmour was on tour with the late Richard Wright. He didn't call it David Gilmour's Pink Floyd. Even though 50% of classic Floyd were on stage.
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Post by gogs on Dec 21, 2016 12:04:20 GMT
I've said this before, but will repeat it in response to a often repeated question. When I go to a gig I don't go to see Francis and/or Rick, I go to see "Quo"; the band, the full package, including Andy, Rhino and Leon. If Rick or any other member isn't there, I will still go, as long as the music is enjoyable and the band on stage are still recognisable as "Quo". Not FRQ, CQ, Quo Lite or any other pointless epithet thought up by a small bunch of malcontents.
So no, FRQ is a ridiculous idea, and I agree with the Non-parallel with ELO. Jeff L owns the name. It is my understanding from an FTMO interview with David Walker, that after the Alan Lancaster court case, they formed a limited company which owns the name Status Quo and which allows the members of the band, who are all shareholders, to perform as Status Quo. R & F were/are major shareholders although the exact proportion was not mentioned.
Thus if my memory is correct, there is no legal need to change the name to satisfy the above mentioned malcontents, and from a business perspective it would be a complete nonsense. And, would Rick be better off this way - I very much doubt it.
Now Don't Waste My Time with semantic irrelevances, I've got a musical to finish!??? fish-head-smash-smiley-emoticon
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Post by Rick Roper on Dec 21, 2016 13:40:28 GMT
Angus Young's f*cked then, as he's now the only original member of AC/DC left... Malcolm Young retired due to ill health, Phil Rudd incarcerated, Brian Johnson given P45, Cliff Williams had enough and retired... But Angus is still planning on touring next year with a band called "AC/DC"... Good Luck with that then, maybe the Yanks will still lap it up if they're gullible enough. I doubt anyone else in the know will. Spinal Tap material, that!
Rick Roper.
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Post by fisherman on Dec 21, 2016 18:53:18 GMT
I noted in other threads there's been a call for Quo to change their name to 'Francis Rossi's Quo' if they continue to tour beyond this year. 'Jeff Lynne's ELO' has been cited as an example of where this works. As someone who's keen for Quo to continue then the suggested name change is fine by me. I've seen ELO this year and have tickets for Wembley next year to see them, I tell everyone I'm going to see 'ELO', the official name passes me by. Question is though, is it really that simple? Would Rossi changing the name to FRQ really appease those fans who no longer see the current band as Status Quo? No.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Dec 22, 2016 18:16:53 GMT
I know, you always have to have the last word .. but it doesn't make sense to challenge an opinion that is based on personal taste and preferences. The question was too hard (or embarassing) to answer then ?!, fair enough The question is would Rossi retire the name Status Quo if he were to leave?
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Dec 22, 2016 18:36:40 GMT
It is clearly and self evidently Francis Rossi's Quo.
And thats why it went gradually downhill, especially on record, the song-writing suffered, the live shows(especially of late), have degenerated over about 15 years from lively, if not the real thing ro un-imaginative and routine. Dull.
The brief highlite of the FF reunions dramatically brought back what a Quo gig should be. Big, enthusiastic loud sweaty crowds. The difference was black and white.
If you enjoy Rossi's Quo great, hope you enjoy the franchise rock, but to me this aint Quo I signed up for.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Dec 22, 2016 19:06:00 GMT
The question is would Rossi retire the name Status Quo if he were to leave? Why should he, when according to some its still SQ REGARDLESS OF LINE UP But at the end of the day and regardless of opinion about whether it's still SQ or not, if Rossi packs in, he will have the power to do whatever he wants with the name.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Dec 22, 2016 19:11:46 GMT
But at the end of the day and regardless of opinion about whether it's still SQ or not, if Rossi packs in, he will have the power to do whatever he wants with the name. Why ? because he is a shareholder in the business ?, so are Rhino & Andrew So is Rick, at the end of the day if they all decide to do something like Queen have done and have an (Official) tribute band. Then that's what will happen, the music will never die that's for sure. For me there are good and bad tracks across all eras of the band.
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Dec 22, 2016 19:16:21 GMT
It would be the height of absurdity if Rick, Alan and John got together ro record the had to call themselves Quo PLC or whatever.
In JC, Al and John, therein lies the essence of what Status Quo are.
Assuming FR Quo aren't still dragging it out, then the only feasible reason they wouldnt be able to call themselves Status Quo would be due to due to some legal ruling.
Therefore proving the law is indeed, an ass.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Dec 22, 2016 19:19:44 GMT
But at the end of the day and regardless of opinion about whether it's still SQ or not, if Rossi packs in, he will have the power to do whatever he wants with the name. Why ? because he is a shareholder in the business ?, so are Rhino & Andrew I suppose it depends what percentage each member has then, but you are right it is a business, which is why they can still call themselves Status Quo for one thing.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Dec 22, 2016 19:23:45 GMT
Why ? because he is a shareholder in the business ?, so are Rhino & Andrew I suppose it depends what percentage each member has then, but you are right it is a business, which is why they can still call themselves Status Quo for one thing. From what I have heard Andy has 20% Rhino 10% the rest is shared equally between Francis and Rick.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Dec 22, 2016 19:33:24 GMT
I suppose it depends what percentage each member has then, but you are right it is a business, which is why they can still call themselves Status Quo for one thing. From what I have heard Andy has 20% Rhino 10% the rest is shared equally between Francis and Rick. If that is indeed the case then you would think if FR wants to pack in then RP would probably agree and that would be that.
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Post by doylem on Dec 22, 2016 20:00:40 GMT
Couple of similar situations;
Wishbone Ash One version fronted by sole original member Andy Powell, another fronted by sole original member Martin Turner - used to be referred to as 'Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash' but following a very messy court case, turner now has to bill himself as 'Martin Turner plays the music of Wishbone Ash'
Blackfoot Blackfoot reformed in 2004 with 3 original members but WITHOUT their charismatic frontman, Rickey Medlocke. Backtracking to mid 1980's, Medlocke ploughed on on his own with various lineups after original band imploded. The latest development is a reformed blackfoot with NO original members - Young dudes who maybe were;t born when original band was in full flight, with Rickey acting as producer and guest guitarist . I was very sceptical of the new album 'southern Native ' released in august but it was a real revelation. I can't say its as good as original but its damn good and is ....well, different... to paraphrase someone on another thread.
As for wishbone ash, i;ve never seen the original band live ....same goes for skynyrd, but the music still does both justice, and thats what it comes down to at the end of the day, the music. It's either good quality, or its not.
Uriah Heep, another case with just Mick box left, but still turning out great shows AND new music as anyone who witnessed irish dates will attest.
As for Quo......... My preference is FF but don't think i would want to see again as could never be as good as in 2013-14, due to health and ageing issues.
Sometimes band members become ill/unable/age/....die ..........should the company continue?? Impossible to answer, unless you are on the 'inside'
Would I go back to see the so called FRQ?? Probably not, as I thought that FF in Dublin April 2014 was as good as it was gonna get, and I was right. However, the lure of Heep as support, drew me back and I was pleasantly surprised. Of course I missed Rick, but taken for what it was it was actually a very good show. some of Rhinos vocals didn't work, but fair play to him for giving it everything - should have done bAD news, but that's for those 'inside' the company to thrash out.
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Dec 22, 2016 20:07:21 GMT
Re; Wishbone Ashe, I've seen them.many times in and around Yorkshire over last 30 odd years.
The 1981 line up was the by a country mile the best, with I think 3 originals and Laurie Wisefield upfront.
The gigs since then went downhill as they Spinal Tapped their way into franchise rock ala FR Quo..nuff said.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Dec 22, 2016 20:07:58 GMT
If that is indeed the case then you would think if FR wants to pack in then RP would probably agree and that would be that. RP has already packed it in Yes I know but he still has a big say.
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