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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 9:21:26 GMT
Thought some may find this to be of interest, its on the BBC site so may not be viewable outside of the UK www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05m9mcjI picked up on a couple of interesting comments, but will not add my own thoughts yet, DISCUSS
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 9, 2017 13:53:05 GMT
Thought some may find this to be of interest, its on the BBC site so may not be viewable outside of the UK www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05m9mcjI picked up on a couple of interesting comments, but will not add my own thoughts yet, DISCUSS I can't play it at work, apparently I don't have flash player!
But I don't get upset by what Francis says.....I don't agree with it all, but it certainly doesn't upset me.
Ive, seeing as it's been up here for over 24 hours, can you tell us some of what he says, and what you don't like?
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Post by mortified on Nov 9, 2017 14:21:10 GMT
That's the Radio Solent interview that was mentioned yesterday in the "Groupon" topic. Interesting. It was cited as being "dire" by the person posting but I actually find it perfectly reasonable. And quite poignant in places. OK, the DJ bloke is a little annoying - a bit OVER enthusiastic - but I suppose that's his job. Otherwise there's nothing wrong with it. It's just Francis being Francis; answering the mundane with along with the more topical. And putting himself up there to be shot at. Same as always. I like the sound of Don't Drive My Car being closer to the Aquostic arrangement because it's actually much better than the original. Well, it is to me. I also love the way he hates the over-intellectualising of music as well, especially rock and pop music. Hands in the air, I'm very guilty of that; I think we all are. I've tried to stop but it's an addiction
I'm not sure there's all that much to 'discuss'. Many will disapprove with his views on the whole tribute to Rick on stage thing. The only point I might take issue with is where he suggests it happens at the start. Not sure that needs to be the case. A photo at the end, maybe during a Rick song would be sufficient. They did him proud with All The Reasons in the summer. That sort of thing would do. But at the end of the day the interview is nothing for me to get my knickers in a twist about. At least it wasn't Rockin'.... they played. Always a bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 19:32:33 GMT
That's the Radio Solent interview that was mentioned yesterday in the "Groupon" topic. Interesting. It was cited as being "dire" by the person posting but I actually find it perfectly reasonable. And quite poignant in places. OK, the DJ bloke is a little annoying - a bit OVER enthusiastic - but I suppose that's his job. Otherwise there's nothing wrong with it. It's just Francis being Francis; answering the mundane with along with the more topical. And putting himself up there to be shot at. Same as always. I like the sound of Don't Drive My Car being closer to the Aquostic arrangement because it's actually much better than the original. Well, it is to me. I also love the way he hates the over-intellectualising of music as well, especially rock and pop music. Hands in the air, I'm very guilty of that; I think we all are. I've tried to stop but it's an addiction
I'm not sure there's all that much to 'discuss'. Many will disapprove with his views on the whole tribute to Rick on stage thing. The only point I might take issue with is where he suggests it happens at the start. Not sure that needs to be the case. A photo at the end, maybe during a Rick song would be sufficient. They did him proud with All The Reasons in the summer. That sort of thing would do. But at the end of the day the interview is nothing for me to get my knickers in a twist about. At least it wasn't Rockin'.... they played. Always a bonus. Who said it was dire ?
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Post by smokie on Nov 9, 2017 22:10:13 GMT
After seeing this being described as "dire" I was expecting this to be absolutely hellish but I don't think that it was.
It is Francis being Francis, I'm sure we've all heard numerous interviews in a similar vein and I didn't hear anything all that controversial but I suppose there will be some who will be "outraged" by some of it but that's just the world we live in now.
I wish they could have a proper tribute to Rick but as has already been mentioned, it's where/when do you fit it in?
Drop the drum solo and all the band then leave the stage? Whilst the band are off stage, perhaps then would be the ideal time. Dim the lights and play a montage of Rick throughout the years. Once that's finished playing, I'd wait for a minute or so before the band re-entered and continued with the rest of the performance.
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Post by viking55 on Nov 9, 2017 22:41:16 GMT
Good interview. Francis being honest, open and informative. Get the impression Ricks death is still very raw for him and he is putting up a front / brick wall. I think he could break down if he wasn’t putting up this front imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 18:04:21 GMT
Get the impression Ricks death is still very raw for him and he is putting up a front / brick wall. I think he could break down if he wasn’t putting up this front imo. You know what, I think you may possibly be right, it still does not excuse the events of this year though does it ?, by that i mean , carrying on as if nothing had happened, the lack of a proper tribute gig which the management ( who Rossi employs, so if they are crap, which they obviously are then get rid of IMHO) ) said would happen, and the piss poor 2 song debacle they actually did and dared to call a tribute,,,, & that is, I suggest what has pissed a hell of a lot of folk off,
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Post by snakelady on Nov 11, 2017 8:53:28 GMT
Get the impression Ricks death is still very raw for him and he is putting up a front / brick wall. I think he could break down if he wasn’t putting up this front imo. You know what, I think you may possibly be right, it still does not excuse the events of this year though does it ?, by that i mean , carrying on as if nothing had happened, the lack of a proper tribute gig which the management ( who Rossi employs, so if they are crap, which they obviously are then get rid of IMHO) ) said would happen, and the piss poor 2 song debacle they actually did and dared to call a tribute,,,, & that is, I suggest what has pissed a hell of a lot of folk off, They've had a manager nearly from when they started out as kids and they've always gone along with whatever the then management decided for them. The only times was when they wrote that letter to Pat Barlow, but new management had already found them by the time, and when David Walker entered the scene. Don't know how they found him, but by then they were in desperate need of money and I assume it was DW who dealt with getting rid of their previous management. None of them ever actually confronted management. Alan may have done it eventually, we will never know, but he was out by then .. Generally speaking, all the band ever wanted was make music and earn enough with it to live comfortably - and as long as that has been the case, they've gone along with all suggestions made by management. All of them, not just Francis.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Nov 11, 2017 9:06:11 GMT
Good interview. Francis being honest, open and informative. Get the impression Ricks death is still very raw for him and he is putting up a front / brick wall. I think he could break down if he wasn’t putting up this front imo. You might be right he has admitted to have suffered from Depression back in the 90s.
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Post by mortified on Nov 11, 2017 10:06:10 GMT
Good interview. Francis being honest, open and informative. Get the impression Ricks death is still very raw for him and he is putting up a front / brick wall. I think he could break down if he wasn’t putting up this front imo. You might be right he has admitted to have suffered from Depression back in the 90s. So did I when I first heard Thirsty Work
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 19:31:46 GMT
You know what, I think you may possibly be right, it still does not excuse the events of this year though does it ?, by that i mean , carrying on as if nothing had happened, the lack of a proper tribute gig which the management ( who Rossi employs, so if they are crap, which they obviously are then get rid of IMHO) ) said would happen, and the piss poor 2 song debacle they actually did and dared to call a tribute,,,, & that is, I suggest what has pissed a hell of a lot of folk off, They've had a manager nearly from when they started out as kids and they've always gone along with whatever the then management decided for them. The only times was when they wrote that letter to Pat Barlow, but new management had already found them by the time, and when David Walker entered the scene. Don't know how they found him, but by then they were in desperate need of money and I assume it was DW who dealt with getting rid of their previous management. None of them ever actually confronted management. Alan may have done it eventually, we will never know, but he was out by then .. Generally speaking, all the band ever wanted was make music and earn enough with it to live comfortably - and as long as that has been the case, they've gone along with all suggestions made by management. All of them, not just Francis. So, to me , it appears what you are actually saying is, it don't matter how much management rip them off, lead them into wrog decisions etc, as long as they are making enough money to survive, then that's fine. Alan saw it, next thing , he was removed, odd that huh ?!
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Post by snakelady on Nov 12, 2017 7:08:12 GMT
They've had a manager nearly from when they started out as kids and they've always gone along with whatever the then management decided for them. The only times was when they wrote that letter to Pat Barlow, but new management had already found them by the time, and when David Walker entered the scene. Don't know how they found him, but by then they were in desperate need of money and I assume it was DW who dealt with getting rid of their previous management. None of them ever actually confronted management. Alan may have done it eventually, we will never know, but he was out by then .. Generally speaking, all the band ever wanted was make music and earn enough with it to live comfortably - and as long as that has been the case, they've gone along with all suggestions made by management. All of them, not just Francis. So, to me , it appears what you are actually saying is, it don't matter how much management rip them off, lead them into wrong decisions etc, as long as they are making enough money to survive, then that's fine. Alan saw it, next thing , he was removed, odd that huh ?! Wrong tense 'how much management has ripped them off' or has made other mistakes. Otherwise yes, they've never been the types to face to face inquire of their managers. And concerning Alan, remember how Francis and Bob got fed false stories about the other to have Bob removed from the Quo camp, as he'd have uncovered the cheats - and it worked. Maybe someone thought if it worked once, why shouldn't it work twice, especially since the relationship between Alan and Francis wasn't that great to start with. We know they all never talked about problems, especially while they were busy indulging in their drug habits. Else Bob and Francis would've seen through the manipulation decades earlier, they would've probably been able to help John and he wouldn't have left, they'd all be a lot richer and who's to know what would've happened between Alan and Francis ? Even the creative decline that set in in the late 70s may not have happened. All water under the bridge now, but F+R should've learned to not give management free reign ever again - which they didn't. Both have always completely lacked that confrontational side to their characters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 20:18:45 GMT
So, to me , it appears what you are actually saying is, it don't matter how much management rip them off, lead them into wrong decisions etc, as long as they are making enough money to survive, then that's fine. Alan saw it, next thing , he was removed, odd that huh ?! Wrong tense 'how much management has ripped them off' or has made other mistakes. Otherwise yes, they've never been the types to face to face inquire of their managers. And concerning Alan, remember how Francis and Bob got fed false stories about the other to have Bob removed from the Quo camp, as he'd have uncovered the cheats - and it worked. Maybe someone thought if it worked once, why shouldn't it work twice, especially since the relationship between Alan and Francis wasn't that great to start with. We know they all never talked about problems, especially while they were busy indulging in their drug habits. Else Bob and Francis would've seen through the manipulation decades earlier, they would've probably been able to help John and he wouldn't have left, they'd all be a lot richer and who's to know what would've happened between Alan and Francis ? Even the creative decline that set in in the late 70s may not have happened. All water under the bridge now, but F+R should've learned to not give management free reign ever again - which they didn't. Both have always completely lacked that confrontational side to their characters. To start with ? meaning from the start ? P.S I wouldn't mind betting Rossi is off Alan's Christmas card list
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Post by snakelady on Nov 13, 2017 7:00:39 GMT
Nope, not from the start. They were friends once, else the band would never have come into existence.
But by the end of the 70s, early 80s, the relationship was already strained before someone started evil gossip about the other respectively. We don't know that happened, but it's not completely improbable either. And it worked with Bob and Francis, who were friends, so chances were it would've worked even better with the already damaged relationship between Alan and Francis. The fact they were into drugs by then certainly prevented them from seeing through it.
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Post by mortified on Nov 13, 2017 7:07:38 GMT
Cocaine and heavy use of it results in paranoia. I think it's pretty obvious how they all fell out. Even talk of rumours being spread by others is a symptom of that paranoia.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 11:33:13 GMT
Nope, not from the start. They were friends once, else the band would never have come into existence. But by the end of the 70s, early 80s, the relationship was already strained before someone started evil gossip about the other respectively. We don't know that happened, but it's not completely improbable either. And it worked with Bob and Francis, who were friends, so chances were it would've worked even better with the already damaged relationship between Alan and Francis. The fact they were into drugs by then certainly prevented them from seeing through it. Its always someone/something else's fault huh ?, never a certain persons fault is it ?
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 14, 2017 13:31:48 GMT
P.S I wouldn't mind betting Rossi is off Alan's Christmas card list He probably is......but for what reason? Because Francis didn't do what Alan wanted him to; in regards to the FF, or continuing Quo, or paying tribute to Rick? So because Alan didn't get his way.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 14, 2017 13:34:26 GMT
Nope, not from the start. They were friends once, else the band would never have come into existence. But by the end of the 70s, early 80s, the relationship was already strained before someone started evil gossip about the other respectively. We don't know that happened, but it's not completely improbable either. And it worked with Bob and Francis, who were friends, so chances were it would've worked even better with the already damaged relationship between Alan and Francis. The fact they were into drugs by then certainly prevented them from seeing through it. Its always someone/something else's fault huh ?, never a certain persons fault is it ? No. If you don't confront your management, or if you're taking lots of dr*gs, then that implies that it is your fault. You got 'had' because your own actions made you vulnerable.
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Post by mortified on Nov 14, 2017 13:39:12 GMT
I don't know about anyone else, but I find it difficult putting myself into someone else's shoes to work out what they're thinking. I've met all of the band but I don't know a single one of them. And I try not to interpret what they're saying to suit my own agenda. Sometimes I think I can see through something but, equally, sometimes I'm completely wrong. Jeez, I don't even know what my wife's thinking half the time so with complete strangers I've no chance. So I have no idea whatsoever if Francis did what Alan wanted or Rick didn't do what Rhino wanted. Or care
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 14, 2017 13:49:47 GMT
I don't know about anyone else, but I find it difficult putting myself into someone else's shoes to work out what they're thinking. I've met all of the band but I don't know a single one of them. And I try not to interpret what they're saying to suit my own agenda. Sometimes I think I can see through something but, equally, sometimes I'm completely wrong. Jeez, I don't even know what my wife's thinking half the time so with complete strangers I've no chance. So I have no idea whatsoever if Francis did what Alan wanted or Rick didn't do what Rhino wanted. Or care I know, we argue over a lot of guess work don't we!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 16:43:18 GMT
I don't know about anyone else, but I find it difficult putting myself into someone else's shoes to work out what they're thinking. I've met all of the band but I don't know a single one of them. And I try not to interpret what they're saying to suit my own agenda. Sometimes I think I can see through something but, equally, sometimes I'm completely wrong. Jeez, I don't even know what my wife's thinking half the time so with complete strangers I've no chance. So I have no idea whatsoever if Francis did what Alan wanted or Rick didn't do what Rhino wanted. Or care Believe me when I say this, as its the truth, I really do wanna believe what Rossi says, but simply can't as his actions and to me, scant disregard to Rick speak volumes to me,, and to think, up to 84 I idolised the guy (but not as much as Rick!),, how times change
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Post by smokie on Nov 14, 2017 22:15:51 GMT
I've met all of the band but I don't know a single one of them. I think there's a lot of truth in that statement. That's the bottom line for me, just because some of us have met them (I haven't) and just because we are familiar with seeing the band for years, none of us really know them. Public personas can be very different from the real character.
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