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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 5:37:47 GMT
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jul 7, 2017 6:37:55 GMT
ok i'm ready for the next war now.
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Post by smokie on Jul 7, 2017 6:54:43 GMT
@bam, thanks for posting the link. The Lord Flasheart, so am I, please keep me posted! There's always two sides to every story and this is Francis giving his. And some are really not going to like that.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jul 7, 2017 7:02:14 GMT
@bam , thanks for posting the link. The Lord Flasheart , so am I, please keep me posted! There's always two sides to every story and this is Francis giving his. And some are really not going to like that. Indeed it's only his reply to everything thats been slung at him since December. He has a right of Reply, This Sky News piece is a bit more fuller. Especially this bit. Some fans have criticised Rossi for failing to pay tribute to Parfitt during concerts since his death, but he said: "I don't believe in opening up a show saying 'it's really, really sad tonight that Rick's not going to be here'. "I'm digging a hole for myself." "But some fans want that," I said. "They're not getting that from me. "I'm sorry if that upsets them, I really am. I'm just not like that." Rossi said the band paid for Parfitt's body to be flown home, and for his funeral. "There were such squabbles within his family. "Let's not go there, it's kind of ugly. "I just wanted to get over it and bury my partner and get on with it." news.sky.com/story/status-quos-francis-rossi-reflects-on-death-of-bandmate-rick-parfitt-10939996
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Post by smokie on Jul 7, 2017 7:15:20 GMT
The Lord Flasheart, that's interesting reading too, thanks. Personally, I find it hard to disagree with anything that he says there. If anything, I think he's been a bit slow in defending himself but that may have been out of respect to Rick. RPJ is obviously grieving and looking for someone to blame which is natural I suppose and he's been very critical of Francis but he only knew what his Dad told him. Up until now, perhaps he hasn't heard another side of the story either. Did I read that right, in a recording studio in Wimbledon? For what purpose I wonder?
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Post by snakelady on Jul 7, 2017 7:48:07 GMT
First of all, it's the Mail .. and it's not even an interview so all has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Still Francis does come across as caring and reasonable and he is missing Rick. Obviously Rick's family still receive their share of royalties, which would actually mean less for everybody else too now. Why the family wasn't even able to organise and pay for the funeral is poor behaviour and very sad actually. smokie - Could be that it's Francis recording with Hannah Rickard there and they got it wrong thinking it was Quo. Wouldn't be the first thing they got wrong ..
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jul 7, 2017 8:07:09 GMT
First of all, it's the Mail .. and it's not even an interview so all has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Still Francis does come across as caring and reasonable and he is missing Rick. Obviously Rick's family still receive their share of royalties, which would actually mean less for everybody else too now. Why the family wasn't even able to organise and pay for the funeral is poor behaviour and very sad actually. smokie - Could be that it's Francis recording with Hannah Rickard there and they got it wrong thinking it was Quo. Wouldn't be the first thing they got wrong .. I think as is still the case with the memorial, the two sides of the family are at war and were at war before he died I suspect. They should have put their differences aside so that he could be laid to rest. It now makes sense the long delay for the funeral after his death in December. As I suspected he is getting a panning for this and for carrying on but evidently he is still paying Rick's estate his dues. People are calling Francis hard and uncaring but he says he was exasperated with Rick's behaviour as far back as the 80s. Even more when Francis cleaned up his own act, Rick had god knows how many health warnings but still ignored them and you can understand his stance towards him know. I read anger towards him in these interviews but only in what Rick to himself not Rick personally.
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Post by snakelady on Jul 7, 2017 8:18:37 GMT
First of all, it's the Mail .. and it's not even an interview so all has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Still Francis does come across as caring and reasonable and he is missing Rick. Obviously Rick's family still receive their share of royalties, which would actually mean less for everybody else too now. Why the family wasn't even able to organise and pay for the funeral is poor behaviour and very sad actually. smokie - Could be that it's Francis recording with Hannah Rickard there and they got it wrong thinking it was Quo. Wouldn't be the first thing they got wrong .. I think as is still the case with the memorial, the two sides of the family are at war and were at war before he died I suspect. They should have put their differences aside so that he could be laid to rest. It now makes sense the long delay for the funeral after his death in December. As I suspected he is getting a panning for this and for carrying on but evidently he is still paying Rick's estate his dues. People are calling Francis hard and uncaring but he says he was exasperated with Rick's behaviour as far back as the 80s. Even more when Francis cleaned up his own act, Rick had god knows how many health warnings but still ignored them and you can understand his stance towards him know. I read anger towards him in these interviews but only in what Rick to himself not Rick personally. Thank god I'm not on fb or look into other Quo forums, so I can avoid reading that .. Although not exactly nice, the family fighting over what has been left behind is one thing. Them not being able to organise a funeral is something else entirely. That's beyond poor IMO. I'm sure Marietta is keeping out of it all, which would leave RPJ, Patti and Lindsey fighting over the will and heritage. The guitar ? I could understand if Lindsey would want to keep it for Tommy. In a few years time those little kids won't remember much of their dad as a person anyway as opposed to the long grown-up boys, so everything that keeps Rick alive in their memories will be even more precious for them.
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Post by smokie on Jul 7, 2017 8:23:57 GMT
First of all, it's the Mail .. and it's not even an interview so all has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Still Francis does come across as caring and reasonable and he is missing Rick. Obviously Rick's family still receive their share of royalties, which would actually mean less for everybody else too now. Why the family wasn't even able to organise and pay for the funeral is poor behaviour and very sad actually. smokie - Could be that it's Francis recording with Hannah Rickard there and they got it wrong thinking it was Quo. Wouldn't be the first thing they got wrong .. Rick had god knows how many health warnings but still ignored them and you can understand his stance towards him know. I read anger towards him in these interviews but only in what Rick to himself not Rick personally. Succinctly put your Lordship
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jul 7, 2017 8:23:58 GMT
I think as is still the case with the memorial, the two sides of the family are at war and were at war before he died I suspect. They should have put their differences aside so that he could be laid to rest. It now makes sense the long delay for the funeral after his death in December. As I suspected he is getting a panning for this and for carrying on but evidently he is still paying Rick's estate his dues. People are calling Francis hard and uncaring but he says he was exasperated with Rick's behaviour as far back as the 80s. Even more when Francis cleaned up his own act, Rick had god knows how many health warnings but still ignored them and you can understand his stance towards him know. I read anger towards him in these interviews but only in what Rick to himself not Rick personally. Thank god I'm not on fb or look into other Quo forums, so I can avoid reading that .. Although not exactly nice, the family fighting over what has been left behind is one thing. Them not being able to organise a funeral is something else entirely. That's beyond poor IMO. I'm sure Marietta is keeping out of it all, which would leave RPJ, Patti and Lindsey fighting over the will and heritage. The guitar ? I could understand if Lindsey would want to keep it for Tommy. In a few years time those little kids won't remember much of their dad as a person anyway as opposed to the long grown-up boys, so everything that keeps Rick alive in their memories will be even more precious for them. Yes my stance on the Guitar is changing a bit now. Rick wanted it at his funeral and that wish was denied but we know that Lindsey wanted the funeral in Spain. However others wanted his home town. Which personally I think was best, however maybe she felt that if the Guitar went there she would be ganged up on and forced to hand it over to them. Ok others have said shes "money grabbing" "It's not hers" etc but if it was given to Tommy when he is older. Would RPJ and H really be that angry over it he is their brother after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 8:50:43 GMT
Just posted on FB:
If the term ‘Status Quo’ can be defined as representing ‘the existing state of affairs’ then maybe the band, despite being known for 50 years for their no-nonsense winning formula, need a name change. For nothing has stayed the same for this iconic band over the last year. Francis Rossi and the band have faced the retirement from live performance of the iconic Rick Parfitt, followed late last year by his tragic death, and have kept the flag flying, to honour his memory and the band’s commitments, and to bring the fans what they want and deserve.
And it’s the fans that have prompted yet another change. In late April the band announced their long-planned ‘Aquostic’ tour of the UK and immediately found themselves with a dilemma. The shift to ‘Aquostic’ tour had been deemed necessary as the inevitable rigours of the Electric set were considered to be too much for Rick to take on. Yet demand from fans for Electric shows was undiminished. Taking into account all changed circumstances, and the band’s movement out of the cycle of the successful ‘Aquostic’ albums, a decision has been made to plug back in. The renamed ‘PLUGGED IN – Live and Rockin!’ tour will now be fully Electric. This change applies to UK dates only, the band have not toured the ‘Aquostic’ show in Europe and promoters have requested that the shows stay in that format.
Francis Rossi said, “This has been a year like no other. In many ways the band has felt out of control. Rick’s passing was a huge blow. Much of what we had planned was envisaged initially to accommodate what would be right for him; those sands have obviously shifted. Now everything has changed. The band is not the same - it can’t be and shouldn’t be – and the plan has changed too. We’re still listening to the fans, we always have, and we’re hearing that this is what they still want. We’re going to give it to them”.
PLUGGED IN – Live and Rockin!
NOVEMBER 2017 26th Manchester, O2 Apollo 27th Sheffield, City Hall 29th Cardiff, St David’s Hall 30th Reading, Hexagon
DECEMBER 2017 2nd Bournemouth, International Centre 3rd Wolverhampton, Civic Hall 5th Glasgow, Clyde Auditorium 6th Newcastle, City Hall 8th London, Eventim Apollo
*All shows are fully seated except Manchester, Reading, Wolverhampton Tickets are on sale now via aegpresents.co.uk priced from £42.50 [plus booking fees].
And so ‘the existing state of affairs’ does indeed change. It has to. Quo, perhaps more than any other band, are defined by their touring and by their fanbase. Francis Rossi and Quo have spent a lifetime on the road. Travelers on all roads eventually reach a crossroads, where a decision needs to be made, and Status Quo are no exception. This is their decision.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jul 7, 2017 8:58:15 GMT
Just posted on FB: If the term ‘Status Quo’ can be defined as representing ‘the existing state of affairs’ then maybe the band, despite being known for 50 years for their no-nonsense winning formula, need a name change. For nothing has stayed the same for this iconic band over the last year. Francis Rossi and the band have faced the retirement from live performance of the iconic Rick Parfitt, followed late last year by his tragic death, and have kept the flag flying, to honour his memory and the band’s commitments, and to bring the fans what they want and deserve. And it’s the fans that have prompted yet another change. In late April the band announced their long-planned ‘Aquostic’ tour of the UK and immediately found themselves with a dilemma. The shift to ‘Aquostic’ tour had been deemed necessary as the inevitable rigours of the Electric set were considered to be too much for Rick to take on. Yet demand from fans for Electric shows was undiminished. Taking into account all changed circumstances, and the band’s movement out of the cycle of the successful ‘Aquostic’ albums, a decision has been made to plug back in. The renamed ‘PLUGGED IN – Live and Rockin!’ tour will now be fully Electric. This change applies to UK dates only, the band have not toured the ‘Aquostic’ show in Europe and promoters have requested that the shows stay in that format. Francis Rossi said, “This has been a year like no other. In many ways the band has felt out of control. Rick’s passing was a huge blow. Much of what we had planned was envisaged initially to accommodate what would be right for him; those sands have obviously shifted. Now everything has changed. The band is not the same - it can’t be and shouldn’t be – and the plan has changed too. We’re still listening to the fans, we always have, and we’re hearing that this is what they still want. We’re going to give it to them”. PLUGGED IN – Live and Rockin! NOVEMBER 2017 26th Manchester, O2 Apollo 27th Sheffield, City Hall 29th Cardiff, St David’s Hall 30th Reading, Hexagon DECEMBER 2017 2nd Bournemouth, International Centre 3rd Wolverhampton, Civic Hall 5th Glasgow, Clyde Auditorium 6th Newcastle, City Hall 8th London, Eventim Apollo *All shows are fully seated except Manchester, Reading, Wolverhampton Tickets are on sale now via aegpresents.co.uk priced from £42.50 [plus booking fees]. And so ‘the existing state of affairs’ does indeed change. It has to. Quo, perhaps more than any other band, are defined by their touring and by their fanbase. Francis Rossi and Quo have spent a lifetime on the road. Travelers on all roads eventually reach a crossroads, where a decision needs to be made, and Status Quo are no exception. This is their decision. Ahh but now they Conned everyone last year with the LNOTE tour. Can't win
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Post by kursaal75 on Jul 7, 2017 9:26:41 GMT
Funny this gets announced a week before the live album (NOT) THE LAST NIGHT OF THE ELECTRICS is released, but I suppose any publicity is good publicity.
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Post by smokie on Jul 7, 2017 9:37:32 GMT
I wonder if they'll change the set?
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Post by kursaal75 on Jul 7, 2017 9:40:53 GMT
I wonder if they'll change the set? That's asking a lot, with the bands back catalogue!!!
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Post by craydarr on Jul 8, 2017 5:03:59 GMT
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Post by snakelady on Jul 8, 2017 6:28:43 GMT
I'll move this post to the other thread and delete this one. Think management may have underestimated the effect Rick's passing had on fans. As I've already mentioned elsewhere, I doubt the UK tour will be selling that much better now that it's been turned into electric ..
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Post by craydarr on Jul 8, 2017 7:31:33 GMT
I'll move this post to the other thread and delete this one. Think management may have underestimated the effect Rick's passing had on fans. As I've already mentioned elsewhere, I doubt the UK tour will be selling that much better now that it's been turned into electric .. Thank you.
I agree, probably not just the management either.
I think things SHOULD come to a close soon, or at the very least the band should take a bit of a break to gather their thoughts. I know they are in their twilight years but a bit of time to gather their thoughts without schedules to work to could help them make sense of it all.
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Post by smokie on Jul 8, 2017 8:05:16 GMT
Don't know what more to add really. We all handle grief differently and when it happens to someone close to you, you do whatever you can to help you get through it. I guess this is exactly what Francis is doing.
Some may not like his pragmatism but he is what he is.
Some want him to be something that he obviously isn't.
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Post by Rick Roper on Jul 14, 2017 14:10:24 GMT
My sentiments exactly.
I said it before, the "old married couple" lark was a complete crock - Something had gone very wrong between Rick & Francis at friendship level - They were just business partners at the time of Rick's death. Part of me says that Francis is hurting deep down - A larger part of me is saying that he views the friendship as history, and doesn't give a flying f**k about history. Whilst I agree that he is a humble person, I cease to believe a word that he utters in interviews - His comments are utter tosh, hollow comments without value. He now has sole control of the Band, and is free to take it in whatever direction he feels. That's all he's interested in, I think. If I am wrong, I will gladly hold my hands up and admit it, but my gut feeling is that losing Rick has freed him up to do whatever he wants...
Rick Roper.
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Post by smokie on Jul 18, 2017 10:32:24 GMT
Francis has often made the point recently that somewhere along the way, "Rick changed" and became this "rock thing".
One thing that I noticed years ago was this and I'll get there eventually.......
The first Quo album that I bought was Whatever You Want shortly after it's release in 1979. Me and my twin, then saved up and starting buying the previous Vertigo albums when we could. I noticed on these albums that there was invariably if not a ballad, then certainly a slower song. I'm thinking of, All The Reasons, Lonely Man, Where I am and For You. Some of these were self penned, some others were joint efforts with other members. I know these types of songs split opinion, I like the "typical" Quo song obviously but I like some of the ballads/slower ones too. I think these songs prove that Rick had a great voice for these types of songs, including Living On An Island.
I was then able to buy the albums more or less when they came out and I noticed (and was disappointed) to see that the next three releases didn't contain a ballad by Rick. Too Close To The Ground appeared on Back To Back in 1983 but for whatever reason, Rick didn't get to sing lead on it.
After that, Rick's contributions on future albums were hardly prolific and the ballad/slower song virtually disappeared although Little White Lies and One By One appeared later.
It's not intended as a criticism of Rick but perhaps Francis has something when he says that Rick changed?
If nothing else, perhaps his outlook to song writing did?
@bam, mortified and snakelady, if I've put this reply in the wrong place, sorry! Feel free to move it to the correct place.
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Post by problemshalved on Jul 18, 2017 11:47:34 GMT
I have said it before and I will say it again. Frame is a recovering Alcoholic and Drug addict, who rather admirably got his life together, unlike his buddy RP , who lurched from crisis to crisis no matter how many warnings he had. Whilst it may not suit some of his critics here, FR has to do what he has to do to maintain his sober and drug free state. If that makes him unpopular or seem odd it's tough really as it's his life and good luck to him. I have many happy memories and whilst I don't agree with a lot of what they have done in recent years, they are human beings who have their own lives to lead and I can make my own decision as to whether I attend concerts or buy various dubious live albums.
As part of this recovery he will have distanced himself from those who exhibited previous behaviour and this will have led to the parting of the ways with Rick apart from when necessary e.g. On stage, PR sessions etc. I still think it was part of him not wanting to do any more Frantic Four as Rick was clearly exhibiting old behaviours out of hours. Again as I have stated before you only need to read Rhinos blog about the Turkey incident to see this wasn't just Frame distancing himself but also the rest of the band.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jul 18, 2017 13:36:47 GMT
Francis has often made the point recently that somewhere along the way, "Rick changed" and became this "rock thing".
One thing that I noticed years ago was this and I'll get there eventually.......
The first Quo album that I bought was Whatever You Want shortly after it's release in 1979. Me and my twin, then saved up and starting buying the previous Vertigo albums when we could. I noticed on these albums that there was invariably if not a ballad, then certainly a slower song. I'm thinking of, All The Reasons, Lonely Man, Where I am and For You. Some of these were self penned, some others were joint efforts with other members. I know these types of songs split opinion, I like the "typical" Quo song obviously but I like some of the ballads/slower ones too. I think these songs prove that Rick had a great voice for these types of songs, including Living On An Island.
I was then able to buy the albums more or less when they came out and I noticed (and was disappointed) to see that the next three releases didn't contain a ballad by Rick. Too Close To The Ground appeared on Back To Back in 1983 but for whatever reason, Rick didn't get to sing lead on it.
After that, Rick's contributions on future albums were hardly prolific and the ballad/slower song virtually disappeared although Little White Lies and One By One appeared later.
It's not intended as a criticism of Rick but perhaps Francis has something when he says that Rick changed?
If nothing else, perhaps his outlook to song writing did?
@bam , mortified and snakelady , if I've put this reply in the wrong place, sorry! Feel free to move it to the correct place.
Though One By One was written back in 1977. I think 1980 and it's horiffic event is what changed Rick, the band all say that he changed. Maybe they didn't give him the support he needed. Maybe he didn't want it but they said he went from this happy go lucky guy to a guy who on the surface was still the joker but scratch the surface and you had a guy struggling and partying kept it from showing.
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Post by smokie on Jul 18, 2017 16:25:03 GMT
I still think it was part of him not wanting to do any more Frantic Four as Rick was clearly exhibiting old behaviours out of hours. Again as I have stated before you only need to read Rhinos blog about the Turkey incident to see this wasn't just Frame distancing himself but also the rest of the band. I've thought exactly the same for a while now but was a bit wary of stating that.
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Post by mortified on Jul 25, 2017 6:12:55 GMT
....you only need to read Rhinos blog about the Turkey incident to see this wasn't just Frame distancing himself but also the rest of the band. That is a very fair observation. They were all in one hotel room while Rick retired to another. However, recent interviews with Francis have been a bit disappointing. His almost complete dismissal of their earlier work - the music that made the band famous, particularly him, and meant that he was able and still popular enough to even give these interviews - disappoints me the most. I don't actually believe a lot of this self-deprecation. I don't know why he does it but many of us saw the band at their very peak and Francis was a long way from playing at it or playing a part. He was having a blast writing, performing and being successful. OK, it maybe wore thin for him after several years but dismissing it all out of hand demonstrates, at best, a false memory. And that's being kind. This 'Rick the rocker' thing I'm just not sure about. Rick wasn't just that but he had it in him. He wrote Quo's best slower songs in my book but also many of their classic harder tracks. Musically, he was not a one trick pony and that's the important thing to remember. He could sing all types of songs till his voice packed up. And, more importantly wanted to. He also wasn't playing the part. He was what he was. They all were. Denying that now after so long is a little sad I feel. But it also attempts to taint my memories and my love of the music. And I'm scared that I might eventually find that unforgivable. So I'll probably just stop reading these interviews. He'd say 'head in the sand'. I'd say 'talking bollox, mate'
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