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Post by snakelady on Feb 15, 2017 11:13:27 GMT
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Post by Rick Roper on Feb 17, 2017 15:23:12 GMT
I'm not a believer that Rick walked on water - Far from it. But I do remember years ago that Francis Rossi said words to the effect that "Status Quo will go on 'til one of us [Francis or Rick] drops dead. When one of us dies, it's time to stop"... Well unfortunately, that has now happened.
Rick was not an original member of the band, but the Quo "sound" owes a Hell of a lot to Rick's style of playing. Take that away, and to me it just isn't Status Quo any more. Just the same as if Francis wasn't there. You could have a complete replacement line-up of musicians playing Status Quo songs, but they will never be "Status Quo". End of story.
Now whether a conscious decision or not, I do feel that Francis Rossi has gone back on that statement - It's entirely his business, I know... But it does seem to me that comments like "something has happened... and I'm glad" paint a picture of someone who actually preferred Rick out of the band, and that doesn't make for good listening.
To me, it seems that somewhere along the line, Mr. Rossi the happy-go-lucky best mate of Mr. Parfitt was replaced by Mr. Rossi the hard-nosed businessman who is just out to protect No.1... Either that, or he continuously provides interviewers with a load of complete tosh.
I'm not going to enter into a Francis Rossi slagging match, but I do think now is the time to retire the name Status Quo, and go under a different name if the band is going to continue in any other incarnation. Please don't let things get to a "Dr. Feelgood" level.
Rick Roper.
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Post by quodlibet aka granny on Feb 17, 2017 16:10:13 GMT
To me it always appears that Francis gives as honest a reply as he can, whenever he is questioned by a serious interviewer. It isn't always easy to put all one's thoughts into words For everyone, our thoughts and opinions change over time. Most of us grow up and our interests expand. This in no way is a betrayal of our roots but a sign of maturity. Much as I enjoyed and appreciated Rick's playing and singing and his humour, whenever he was interviewed he always appeared to give the questioner what he thought they wanted to hear.
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Post by smokie on Feb 19, 2017 2:02:29 GMT
More Francis bashing, disappointed but not surprised really. He's not perfect, of course he isn't but no-one is which will be a surprise to some when they realise this. Blame Francis for this, blame Francis for that, in fact, blame Francis for everything which is ludicrous really and frankly bollocks. Sorry ive but you've surpassed yourself there with the comment "the ultimate betrayer and liar". Think of the way Rick betrayed Alan after Live Aid and you called Francis "the ultimate betrayer and liar?" Really? Betrayal and lying come easy to some when it suits.
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Post by smokie on Feb 19, 2017 2:07:03 GMT
quodlibet aka granny, I think that's a fantastic post and absolutely spot on. Refreshing to read that to be honest and my thoughts exactly. All IMVHO of course.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2017 9:00:31 GMT
I'm not a believer that Rick walked on water - Far from it. But I do remember years ago that Francis Rossi said words to the effect that "Status Quo will go on 'til one of us [Francis or Rick] drops dead. When one of us dies, it's time to stop"... Well unfortunately, that has now happened. Rick was not an original member of the band, but the Quo "sound" owes a Hell of a lot to Rick's style of playing. Take that away, and to me it just isn't Status Quo any more. Just the same as if Francis wasn't there. You could have a complete replacement line-up of musicians playing Status Quo songs, but they will never be "Status Quo". End of story. Now whether a conscious decision or not, I do feel that Francis Rossi has gone back on that statement - It's entirely his business, I know... But it does seem to me that comments like "something has happened... and I'm glad" paint a picture of someone who actually preferred Rick out of the band, and that doesn't make for good listening. To me, it seems that somewhere along the line, Mr. Rossi the happy-go-lucky best mate of Mr. Parfitt was replaced by Mr. Rossi the hard-nosed businessman who is just out to protect No.1... Either that, or he continuously provides interviewers with a load of complete tosh. I'm not going to enter into a Francis Rossi slagging match, but I do think now is the time to retire the name Status Quo, and go under a different name if the band is going to continue in any other incarnation. Please don't let things get to a "Dr. Feelgood" level. Rick Roper. When they first made those statements about stopping when one of them died, they surely thought that was the only option. It was all merely theoretical and in the distant future. They certainly never thought it through. Now when Rick was forced out by his heart attack it was a very real situation that posed real problems and treaties had been signed ahead as far as Zürich in 2018 obviously. So they had to find a way out of that and together (that includes Rick) decided on a replacement guitarist, or more exactly, on Ritchie. That's when all these interviews were recorded. Before the tour or during the tour and before Rick died. They're the usual promotional interviews - Francis is promoting the tour with them. In consequence he has to emphasise the positives and avoid talking about negative aspects. He is a pro and knows what to say in these interviews, while at the same time trying to be as honest as possible. But in an interview like this to say something like 'I miss Rick terribly and don't feel too good about the tour' is an absolute no-no. It wouldn't sell tickets, it would keep people away .. What he's going to do now, we've got no idea. Maybe he himself is still wondering and thinking. As far as I know, Francis hasn't given a single interview after Rick's death .. IMO we may have preferences, but it's not on us to tell him what he should do.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2017 15:57:43 GMT
Sorry ive but you've surpassed yourself there with the comment "the ultimate betrayer and liar". Think of the way Rick betrayed Alan after Live Aid and you called Francis "the ultimate betrayer and liar?" Really? Betrayal and lying come easy to some when it suits. Have I?! have I really, my oh my, how quickly some forget the immortal lie from MK 84 " we are NOT splitting up, we will still be a band as normal", HE said that when he already KNEW that wasn't gonna be the case, so if you don't mind I will stand by original comment, as its correct. NOBODY should believe a word he says as he is full of u turns and pure bs & there are many examples of it. Yes in some ways it might be seen as Rick, in part betrayed Alan, He said it in the name of the band as the frontman of the band and not as the private person Franics Rossi and the others said exactly the same in interviews. Always finding excuses for Rick, always blaming Francis .. it does get tiresome.
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Post by problemshalved on Feb 19, 2017 18:37:35 GMT
At the end of the day, even though we like to think it is different,, being in band is just like any other job but with a tad more ego. If you read Rhinos last log it is clear all was not happy between the band and Rick and this was not just a gripe with FR. On that fateful night in Turkey who was alone in their hotel room?. Surprisingly not FR who is perceived as the loner.
Now let's take the like another job analogy one stage further. I am sure we have all been in situations at work where regardless of how long you have known them, one person becomes a continual pain in the arse, and when that particular person moves on, suddenly coming into work becomes a pleasure again. I suspect this is what has happened in the band.
We can debate forever the rights and wrings of continuing, but you can bet your bottom dollar, that as long as there is a demand and the band is enjoy working with each other, they will continue. Time will tell if that demand is there but 2017 will provide that barometer and they can wind up the band without too much egg on their face if the demand proves to have disappeared ( the way it has been marketed though I doubt they will see a significant reduction apart from maybe the Acoustic part). i will only attend Electric gigs as part of a normal winter tour if they come to my town so I assume I will not be attending anything in 2017.
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Post by whoaskedyou on Feb 19, 2017 20:27:22 GMT
If you had not listened to Francis before you could be forgiven for finding this a very captivating interview.
Years ago I would have hung on ever word.
Now all you get is MONEY, EGO, SHOWBIZ and of course the word INSECURE.
He seems to be a bit matter of fact about everything nowadays.
I dont believe looks back with much fondness.
I am sure we have our memories of hearing Quo live..going to Woolworths to buy the new single..playing it to death..hunting down albums to add to your collection etc etc.
I don't think he understands how much those memories give to the connection of the band.
Anyway, as Rick said ' It is not Quo without me "
Nothing more to add really.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 19, 2017 20:53:11 GMT
Sorry ive but you've surpassed yourself there with the comment "the ultimate betrayer and liar". Think of the way Rick betrayed Alan after Live Aid and you called Francis "the ultimate betrayer and liar?" Really? Betrayal and lying come easy to some when it suits. Have I?! have I really, my oh my, how quickly some forget the immortal lie from MK 84 " we are NOT splitting up, we will still be a band as normal", HE said that when he already KNEW that wasn't gonna be the case, so if you don't mind I will stand by original comment, as its correct. NOBODY should believe a word he says as he is full of u turns and pure bs & there are many examples of it. Yes in some ways it might be seen as Rick, in part betrayed Alan, You could turn it on it's head though and say. Yes the band was not splitting up he was leaving it though, we know that Alan and Rick were happy to carry on without him. It was only the record company that didn't want that. Sadly the only way that he was going back to Quo was if Alan was not there. So record company obliged and helped get rid of him. The RC wanted their golden goose to carry on laying so they could have an egg or two, the fact that Alan was now in disagrement with Francis all the time meant that gave them more ammuntion as they wanted rid of him as he was noticing the "eggs" going missing. They would have continued to struggle in the studio with Alan and Francis at loggerheads over songs. While Rick would have been stuck in the middle not knowing what to do but maybe have a drink or a bit of Nikki Lauda. Plus Alan had said that the band could only no record songs that all 3 of them agreed on, it was not going to work anymore.
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Post by snakelady on Feb 21, 2017 15:50:10 GMT
You could turn it on it's head though and say. Yes the band was not splitting up he was leaving it though, we know that Alan and Rick were happy to carry on without him. It was only the record company that didn't want that. Sadly the only way that he was going back to Quo was if Alan was not there. So record company obliged and helped get rid of him. The RC wanted their golden goose to carry on laying so they could have an egg or two, the fact that Alan was now in disagrement with Francis all the time meant that gave them more ammuntion as they wanted rid of him as he was noticing the "eggs" going missing. They would have continued to struggle in the studio with Alan and Francis at loggerheads over songs. While Rick would have been stuck in the middle not knowing what to do but maybe have a drink or a bit of Nikki Lauda. Plus Alan had said that the band could only no record songs that all 3 of them agreed on, it was not going to work anymore. Whichever way you try to twist it and speculate, end of the day Rossi told a blatant lie at MK84,, he said "we" as in him being part of the band as a collective,,,and as for our leaders explanation to try and defend his comment, well that's caused much amusement on other forums I am on,, I couldn't dare repeat some of the comments I read as it would simply add to the very growing list of banned words/terms Rossi wouldnt work with Alan anymore because he knew that by doing so he wouldn't get things all his own way, which he wanted, care to dispute that ? Growing list ? .. How many words would be on there at the moment then (apart from mere swear words) ? Nice to entertain you .. Francis wouldn't work with Alan any more, because Alan had become a pain in the backside and because the record company had issues with Alan and was using Francis to get rid of him - see Quoincidence's post in the PLC thread about the stuff QuoLlector had put up ..
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Post by snakelady on Feb 22, 2017 8:07:33 GMT
Growing list ? .. How many words would be on there at the moment then (apart from mere swear words) ? Nice to entertain you .. Francis wouldn't work with Alan any more, because Alan had become a pain in the backside and because the record company had issues with Alan and was using Francis to get rid of him - see Quoincidence's post in the PLC thread about the stuff QuoLlector had put up .. Yeah growing list, pointless naming them as it will just appear as Status Quo Status Quo Status Quo Rossi said, when one of us dies SQ is finished Parfitt said It ain't Quo without me Indisputable comments (and yeah you have tried to dispute them ) So based on the above two comments then, can you not see that its YOU that is supporting a band that no longer exist ?! I've got to disappoint you - last time I looked it were merely two expressions that are changed to Status Quo on the list .. Francis did think that at the time - nothing more,nothing less - and I've no idea how he sees it now. Rick would say that, naturally - it must've hurt him so much, seeing that the band continued (had to continue) without him and the gigs were so well received. Yes, he gave Ritchie his blessings and yes they had contractual obligations to fulfil and yes, he was even aware that it was his own mistake entirely, but he's only human after all and he will have suffered immensely. Those months alone at home and in hospital must've been hell for him. If the band no longer exists, is this an hallucination then ? link
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Post by craydarr on Feb 22, 2017 19:27:26 GMT
Frans right about one thing "Its just an old Rock band"
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Post by snakelady on Feb 23, 2017 8:37:36 GMT
I've got to disappoint you - last time I looked it were merely two expressions that are changed to Status Quo on the list .. Francis did think that at the time - nothing more,nothing less - and I've no idea how he sees it now. Rick would say that, naturally - it must've hurt him so much, seeing that the band continued (had to continue) without him and the gigs were so well received. Yes, he gave Ritchie his blessings and yes they had contractual obligations to fulfil and yes, he was even aware that it was his own mistake entirely, but he's only human after all and he will have suffered immensely. Those months alone at home and in hospital must've been hell for him. If the band no longer exists, is this an hallucination then ? link Ah so you actually confirm then that yer man has changed his mind again along with yet another U Turn, and to think, you believe his every word , I did once till I realised he is full of ****. Rick gave his blessing for Richie to fill in for EXISTING COMMITMENTS, I wonder of Rick was still with us, what he would had thought of a permanent stand in, I suspect, not a lot. Ah, the link you post, well yeah tis true they still are called that, but in name only, which makes it a total farce, bit of course I do fully accept it will all be lapped up by those (including yerself) who admit they will accept 2nd best,, my motto has always been "accept no substitute and I never will, as some are irreplaceable, you would say the same ( and have implied so) if yer man wasnt there No - I didn't say he changed his mind and I'm fine with it. I said I've no idea how he sees it now - big difference. Generally speaking though, I happen to think that every human being has the right to change their mind. Your motto seems to be very flexible - just as it suits: You've accepted substitutes for Roy, John, Pete, Alan, Jeff, Matt .. and it's merely Rick, where you suddenly come up with this motto. Maybe you should change it to 'Rick is Quo for me' or at least 'I accept no substitute for Rick' - that would come across a lot more credible. You see it is funny, how you suddenly are all upset about one replacement, while you happily went along with all the others .. On a side note - what happened to the interview ?
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Post by snakelady on Feb 24, 2017 7:44:16 GMT
No - I didn't say he changed his mind and I'm fine with it. I said I've no idea how he sees it now - big difference. Generally speaking though, I happen to think that every human being has the right to change their mind. Your motto seems to be very flexible - just as it suits: You've accepted substitutes for Roy, John, Pete, Alan, Jeff, Matt .. and it's merely Rick, where you suddenly come up with this motto. Maybe you should change it to 'Rick is Quo for me' or at least 'I accept no substitute for Rick' - that would come across a lot more credible. You see it is funny, how you suddenly are all upset about one replacement, while you happily went along with all the others .. On a side note - what happened to the interview ? Ah, now I understand why you love snakes, as you idolise one of the very biggest snakes Not funny ! Think about it - some people love cats others love dogs and some love snakes. You don't get why people would hate cats or dogs (which I don't get either) and I don't get why people would hate snakes - or any species at all. Treat them good, they deserve it, like every other species (even slugs ). I see, you've ignored the obvious contradictions that your motto implies. Only apply when it suits, it seems ..
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Post by snakelady on Feb 25, 2017 8:47:37 GMT
I see, you've ignored the obvious contradictions that your motto implies. Only apply when it suits, it seems .. Pot kettle black there isnt it ? No.
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