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Post by coldwarkid on Mar 30, 2018 10:51:41 GMT
I think there is a desire to make music but with Porter the bottom line is always money and Francis will not accept that most fans want a rock band not a pop/country version. With Richie he has a real opportunity to put some blues and rock back into the Quo sound and vocals, the big question is whether he can bring himself to share the limelight more and accept where fans want to Quo to isn't where he wants to. As for Rick's possible tribute concert you had RPJ who I am sure would have organised something appropriate that fans would have got behind, having to deal with money and publicity grabbing Porter and disinterested Francis, a bitter almost ex wife in Lindsay, a desperate gold digger in Miss Beedon plus the rest of the band and John and Alan , who I'm sure would have supported RPJ in any way they could. The chances of anything happening against those odds was always slim at best.
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Post by Rockinon on Mar 30, 2018 14:21:14 GMT
I think there is a desire to make music but with Porter the bottom line is always money and Francis will not accept that most fans want a rock band not a pop/country version. With Richie he has a real opportunity to put some blues and rock back into the Quo sound and vocals, the big question is whether he can bring himself to share the limelight more and accept where fans want to Quo to isn't where he wants to. As for Rick's possible tribute concert you had RPJ who I am sure would have organised something appropriate that fans would have got behind, having to deal with money and publicity grabbing Porter and disinterested Francis, a bitter almost ex wife in Lindsay, a desperate gold digger in Miss Beedon plus the rest of the band and John and Alan , who I'm sure would have supported RPJ in any way they could. The chances of anything happening against those odds was always slim at best. As far as I am aware RPJ did not want to get involved in a tribute, not considering it his place. He eventually agreed to appear with JCQ and a tribute to Rick took place at Minehead with RPJ heading up JCQ
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Post by coldwarkid on Mar 30, 2018 16:45:58 GMT
With the way the things were between Rick and Francis at the time of Rick's death it was more RPJ's place than anyone elses. The only criteria Porter had for any tribute was how much would it make and what were the marketing opportunities? Francis couldn't be bothered if it happened or not but without their support nothing was ever going to get off the ground. So very sad that Rick's profitability wasn't high enough to honour a legend.
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Post by Rockinon on Mar 30, 2018 17:01:07 GMT
With the way the things were between Rick and Francis at the time of Rick's death it was more RPJ's place than anyone elses. The only criteria Porter had for any tribute was how much would it make and what were the marketing opportunities? Francis couldn't be bothered if it happened or not but without their support nothing was ever going to get off the ground. So very sad that Rick's profitability wasn't high enough to honour a legend. Such things don't worry me. If a tribute had been arranged it is unlikely I would have gone. I prefer to remember the good times and Rick will always be a legend to all Quo fans young and old. I don't really like to reflect and be saddened. Strangely enough I think Francis is the same, so I have some empathy with that.
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Post by snakelady on Mar 31, 2018 7:31:30 GMT
I think there is a desire to make music but with Porter the bottom line is always money and Francis will not accept that most fans want a rock band not a pop/country version. With Richie he has a real opportunity to put some blues and rock back into the Quo sound and vocals, the big question is whether he can bring himself to share the limelight more and accept where fans want to Quo to isn't where he wants to. As for Rick's possible tribute concert you had RPJ who I am sure would have organised something appropriate that fans would have got behind, having to deal with money and publicity grabbing Porter and disinterested Francis, a bitter almost ex wife in Lindsay, a desperate gold digger in Miss Beedon plus the rest of the band and John and Alan , who I'm sure would have supported RPJ in any way they could. The chances of anything happening against those odds was always slim at best. It's Porter's job to make sure they earn money and as much as possible. Doesn't mean he doesn't care about the guys. He secured record and book deals for Rick (his job), but he flew over to Spain to tell him and spend time with him when a phone call and e-mail would've sufficed and cost him less money and time. Francis doesn't have to accept what 'most' fans want (that most is mere speculation IMO as, as far as I'm aware there never has been a poll asking all fans what they want. It would fail before it's started even as there seem to be no two definitions what a fan is that are exactly the same ). It's immaterial though anyway. He's got to do what feels right for him and if it's not what part of the fans want, they better move on and find themselves a band that does write music to their liking. Artists have their styles and they may change with age. When the older Picasso did cubism you couldn't have told him, oh, but I can't stand that, I want you do do paintings in the style of the blue period, because most of us prefer that. he had to do what he felt was right and the same goes for musicians. Francis isn't the angry young man any more who wanted to prove things to the world. He'll write songs the way he feels now. Everything else would be artificial and not work. If he's in the mood for a rock song he'll write one - if not, then not. What fans want doesn't come into it. Concerning an official tribute - yep, a mess was made of that, but we'll never know the reasons and what has gone on behind the scenes. And I doubt people are as one-dimensional as clichés make them out to be. Someone made it public before agreement with all parties involved could be achieved, but we've no idea who's to blame in the end and usually it's not just one side that is to blame. I doubt though it has anything to do with band or management, because, as you so rightly say - it would have created additional attention, hence money for them. Tribute gigs always go down well with the general public. My personal assumption is they've sided with Lindsay and the young twins - maybe simply because they've inherited Rick's rights and shares - and that led to the fallout with RPJ. Mere speculation this though ..
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 4, 2018 18:53:47 GMT
Rhino actually played many of Rick's parts on Under the Influence, and from then on. Generally Francis carried the weight. Even Rick's vocals on the last acoustic album, which are poor, he could not be bothered to come back and redo them despite promising to do so. On the Rick solo album Rick is the lead vocal and some guitar. Chris, Rhino, and Brian May are most of the string instruments you can hear. Jo Webb's contribution was immense. Rhino did the arrangement on Everybody knows how to fly. Rick was supposed to go back into the studio in Feb 2017 so I guess his intention was to finish the album himself. You shouldn't believe everything you read on CD covers about who does what, or wrote what. Whatever you Want and Roll Over Lay Down are two examples that immediately spring to mind. You're insinuating people do actually believe everything they read. But, sorry, I prefer to believe my ears - and Rick's rhythm guitar on many tracks, including most of the solo album, is well identifiable. I think you're over-exaggerating things; were you actually there at all those recording sessions to state something like this?
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 4, 2018 18:55:09 GMT
I was aware of the Aquostic difficulties, certainly with the first one, and also (presumably only some of) the reasons but have kept it to myself. I can only assume (from what you say) that the second album had almost no Rick on it other than the odd vocal. He is certainly conspicuous by his absence on the album artwork! Rhino alluded to various issues after Rick was gone in his own personal obituary. But it's always going to be hard to come out with 'accusations' after someone is no longer with us. You're in a no win situation when someone is loved as much as Rick was. Francis, to his eternal credit, has remained tight lipped. Conversely, Rhino actually stated Rick was more involved on Aquostic II in his GoodTimes interview! Not that I can hear it; mind.
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Post by snakelady on Apr 5, 2018 6:49:42 GMT
I was aware of the Aquostic difficulties, certainly with the first one, and also (presumably only some of) the reasons but have kept it to myself. I can only assume (from what you say) that the second album had almost no Rick on it other than the odd vocal. He is certainly conspicuous by his absence on the album artwork! Rhino alluded to various issues after Rick was gone in his own personal obituary. But it's always going to be hard to come out with 'accusations' after someone is no longer with us. You're in a no win situation when someone is loved as much as Rick was. Francis, to his eternal credit, has remained tight lipped. Conversely, Rhino actually stated Rick was more involved on Aquostic II in his GoodTimes interview! Not that I can hear it; mind. He did indeed Thank god I'm not one of those who can distinguish any individual band member's style of playing. So I'm absolutely unable to claim Rick (or any of the others) did or did not play on any given song. I simply enjoy them (or not). Guess that very much helps with his solo album too.
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 5, 2018 10:15:24 GMT
I mean, I'm not saying it's all wrong. Francis' remark that QPQ wasn't all done in one room shows how far production has come since the 70s. But this is an old development; already in the early 80s the band members would work on solo demos of their songs.
Somebody claimed that neither Francis nor Rick played on "Bad News". Now I can actually imagine Rhino playing the main riff instead of Rick, but the first solo is very much Francis's style - the second and third are Freddie's as credited in the booklet. I wish we had Pip on this board...
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Post by Rockinon on Apr 8, 2018 12:30:29 GMT
I mean, I'm not saying it's all wrong. Francis' remark that QPQ wasn't all done in one room shows how far production has come since the 70s. But this is an old development; already in the early 80s the band members would work on solo demos of their songs. Somebody claimed that neither Francis nor Rick played on "Bad News". Now I can actually imagine Rhino playing the main riff instead of Rick, but the first solo is very much Francis's style - the second and third are Freddie's as credited in the booklet. I wish we had Pip on this board... I consider things like this to be nothing less than deception. You want to know you are listening to the artists that you are paying for on recorded material, just as you wouldn't want stand ins for live gigs
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Post by coldwarkid on Apr 8, 2018 14:38:51 GMT
I mean, I'm not saying it's all wrong. Francis' remark that QPQ wasn't all done in one room shows how far production has come since the 70s. But this is an old development; already in the early 80s the band members would work on solo demos of their songs. Somebody claimed that neither Francis nor Rick played on "Bad News". Now I can actually imagine Rhino playing the main riff instead of Rick, but the first solo is very much Francis's style - the second and third are Freddie's as credited in the booklet. I wish we had Pip on this board... I consider things like this to be nothing less than deception. You want to know you are listening to the artists that you are paying for on recorded material, just as you wouldn't want stand ins for live gigs It's been going on for decades, lots of bands/producers do it.
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Post by Rockinon on Apr 8, 2018 17:03:18 GMT
I was lucky to see Status Quo last year at the Brentwood Festival in Essex and thoroughly enjoyed an excellent show. It was a really good show and everyone including me, my wife, son and daughter had a great time. I still love the music and I have been following the band for far too long to lose interest now, but, and I can't quite put this into words really, something just doesn't seem or feel right referring to the band as Status Quo at the moment. For me, I think the problem is that there hasn't been any kind of proper recognition of Rick from the way the band has carried on, almost as if nothing has happened. The "late spring" announcement of 2017 that never was did not help matters. I don't think I have done a very good job of translating my thoughts into words... I have a theory that they would have arranged a suitable tribute to Rick but "others" didn't allow it to happen by pushing ahead with their own things, therefore undermining it and making it less meaningful. Probably forced its abandonment. It has sort of surprised me no one followed up this comment.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Apr 9, 2018 14:58:41 GMT
I mean, I'm not saying it's all wrong. Francis' remark that QPQ wasn't all done in one room shows how far production has come since the 70s. But this is an old development; already in the early 80s the band members would work on solo demos of their songs. Somebody claimed that neither Francis nor Rick played on "Bad News". Now I can actually imagine Rhino playing the main riff instead of Rick, but the first solo is very much Francis's style - the second and third are Freddie's as credited in the booklet. I wish we had Pip on this board... I consider things like this to be nothing less than deception. You want to know you are listening to the artists that you are paying for on recorded material, just as you wouldn't want stand ins for live gigs I realise that it might annoy/upset some people but 'technically' it's not deception. In the album credits it says who plays what; but it doesn't necessarily say they play it on every song (as Quo have never broken it down into who plays what on which song). So I think under Rhino it usually says bass and guitars, and Freddie is given credit for guitars on Bad News. So if Rhino played guitars and bass & sung, Freddie lead guitar, Andrew keys and Matt Letley drums, (that isn't what me or you would recognise as Quo) but essentially they haven't deceived us. We all know that Francis and Rick could have played the same guitar parts, but for whatever reason they might not have. It's like people swapping positions in football; essentially they are a team and they do whichever job they need to do to suit the song/situation.
I understand that some people will be upset about this (and it is only a rumour at the moment), but I won't lose any sleep over it. I like the song and will continue to listen to it whether Rick & Francis played on it or not. Nobody has guessed this over the last 11 years, so whoever did play the guitars must have done a good job!
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Apr 9, 2018 15:00:08 GMT
I have a theory that they would have arranged a suitable tribute to Rick but "others" didn't allow it to happen by pushing ahead with their own things, therefore undermining it and making it less meaningful. Probably forced its abandonment. It has sort of surprised me no one followed up this comment. It has been discussed in the past, which is probably why it's not been followed up on in this thread.
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Post by smokie on Apr 9, 2018 16:22:54 GMT
I consider things like this to be nothing less than deception. You want to know you are listening to the artists that you are paying for on recorded material, just as you wouldn't want stand ins for live gigs It's like people swapping positions in football; essentially they are a team and they do whichever job they need to do to suit the song/situation.
I think that's a great analogy A Quo = Total Football kind of thing!
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Post by insider on Apr 20, 2018 18:11:26 GMT
The new Quo album currently being recorded only has Francis on guitar.
Rick's family still, and will continue to, receive a portion of all Quo's live earnings. Francis is to be commended, as is Simon, for making that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 18:36:01 GMT
Status Quo without Rick is different, but with Francis it is still Status Quo. I heard some tracks for the new Quo album due for release in 2019 and they are amazing. Francis' voice just gets better with age. Let's be honest, it has been almost 20 years since Rick had much input, or played much, on a Quo album. Just go to the shows and enjoy the time they have left. I still go and still enjoy and look forward to a new album, but to say Francis’s voice gets better with age is going a bit too far imo.
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Post by snakelady on Apr 21, 2018 6:16:49 GMT
Status Quo without Rick is different, but with Francis it is still Status Quo. I heard some tracks for the new Quo album due for release in 2019 and they are amazing. Francis' voice just gets better with age. Let's be honest, it has been almost 20 years since Rick had much input, or played much, on a Quo album. Just go to the shows and enjoy the time they have left. I still go and still enjoy and look forward to a new album, but to say Francis’s voice gets better with age is going a bit too far imo. Guess it's a matter of personal preferences .. I do prefer his fuller and deeper voice he has now over the higher nasal 70s one, but I'm probably in a minority here. Most people prefer what they grew up with and are used to and generally speaking I'm like that too, but Francis' voice is an exception. insider What about Ritchie ? As a band member now, shouldn't he be playing on the album as well or is it just it's still early days and his parts will be added later ? That's indeed a generous move by all involved to care about and still provide an income for Rick's family.
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Post by mortified on Apr 21, 2018 6:59:13 GMT
I consider things like this to be nothing less than deception. You want to know you are listening to the artists that you are paying for on recorded material, just as you wouldn't want stand ins for live gigs I realise that it might annoy/upset some people but 'technically' it's not deception. In the album credits it says who plays what; but it doesn't necessarily say they play it on every song (as Quo have never broken it down into who plays what on which song). So I think under Rhino it usually says bass and guitars, and Freddie is given credit for guitars on Bad News. So if Rhino played guitars and bass & sung, Freddie lead guitar, Andrew keys and Matt Letley drums, (that isn't what me or you would recognise as Quo) but essentially they haven't deceived us. We all know that Francis and Rick could have played the same guitar parts, but for whatever reason they might not have. It's like people swapping positions in football; essentially they are a team and they do whichever job they need to do to suit the song/situation.
I understand that some people will be upset about this (and it is only a rumour at the moment), but I won't lose any sleep over it. I like the song and will continue to listen to it whether Rick & Francis played on it or not. Nobody has guessed this over the last 11 years, so whoever did play the guitars must have done a good job!
If you listen to Rhino's original demo, it sounds like they sampled Freddie's guitar solo and stuck it on the final recording. Although he may have re-recorded it, I don't know. Not that bothered either way to be honest.
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Post by mortified on Apr 21, 2018 6:59:59 GMT
The new Quo album currently being recorded only has Francis on guitar. Rick's family still, and will continue to, receive a portion of all Quo's live earnings. Francis is to be commended, as is Simon, for making that happen. Why would that be?
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 24, 2018 21:10:50 GMT
I'm going to take insider's posts with a judicious grain of salt... I'll believe it when I see it. No offense but it all just sounds too contradictory at this point. By the way: You can already hear a new track (well, at least what could become a new Quo song) on the LNOTE DVD Also, what has become of the album Francis wanted to do with Hannah Rickard?
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Post by viking55 on Jun 13, 2018 9:16:53 GMT
Fleetwood MAC. Case in point. Peter Greens version. Highly successful and outsold both Beatles albums in 1969. Eight years down the line with 2 original members the mighty selling ‘ Rumours ‘ Album. In top 5 of all time sellers !! Tribute band ??? I think not. Try telling that to 5 million people.
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Post by mortified on Jun 13, 2018 13:54:08 GMT
Fleetwood MAC. Case in point. Peter Greens version. Highly successful and outsold both Beatles albums in 1969. Eight years down the line with 2 original members the mighty selling ‘ Rumours ‘ Album. In top 5 of all time sellers !! Tribute band ??? I think not. Try telling that to 5 million people. Interesting comparison. I actually liked both line ups but they were almost polar opposites musically. I've liked - actually, no, I've loved - all Quo line ups since the early 70's but they've stayed largely true to their general style throughout. Song arrangements and production values have tended to detract from a lot of material in my view. But, conversely, enhanced it on many occasions.
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Post by snakelady on Jun 14, 2018 7:46:54 GMT
Fleetwood MAC. Case in point. Peter Greens version. Highly successful and outsold both Beatles albums in 1969. Eight years down the line with 2 original members the mighty selling ‘ Rumours ‘ Album. In top 5 of all time sellers !! Tribute band ??? I think not. Try telling that to 5 million people. Yep, very good example this. While many liked the PG line-up, you can certainly say the later incarnation was even more successful. I merely own a single FM album like many - Rumours .. Actually, if you look at Quo from a less UK-centric angle the story isn't that much different. The most successful album in most countries was ITAN, closely followed by RAOTW, while the band had still been relatively unknown there during their string of UK #1 albums 73-76 (minus 74, I know). So it was the line-up including Andy that got them to the top in most European countries and the line-up with Rhino and Jeff that saw them peak. Just because the FF line-up took them to the top in their native country, doesn't mean it was the same everywhere. It wasn't.
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 16, 2023 23:04:39 GMT
By the way: You can already hear a new track (well, at least what could become a new Quo song) on the LNOTE DVD That was prophetic!
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