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Post by mortified on Jul 9, 2017 13:24:36 GMT
I actually don't really care if the band continue without Rick and in whatever style they chose. That is entirely their choice and my choice is whether to go along or not. In all likelihood I probably would. I enjoy it. Can't remember ever not enjoying it.
But sometimes - and particularly this time - I get fed up with the blatant papering over the cracks blurb that we get presented to us. Everything is a marketing exercise. I get that. I just choose to ignore the repetitive drivel that tends to accompany it. But this time, it seems so far removed from reality it just comes across as a bit silly. Not to mention a bit desperate.
Quo are no longer important enough to be on the receiving end of too much stick for this from the media. In fact, I'm not sure they were ever considered worthy enough. The fans, however - even the very loyal ones - may be cringing for the very last time.
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Post by Isaac Ryan on Jul 9, 2017 16:49:29 GMT
I probably will go, I will decide nearer the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 17:23:40 GMT
I'll be going, I know I'll enjoy it so why not?
What Quo do and don't do tends to wash over me if I'm honest, I enjoy the gigs and that's all that matters for me. I was intrigued and somewhat looking forward to seeing Aquostic, not least because it guaranteed me seeing a new set list. If they yet again roll out the same set list as I last saw in December last year I'll be well and truly hacked off.
I don't think they're being honest about all this and can understand why people are miffed at that but I suspect most folk in the 'entertainment' business tell porkies to suit, be it bands, football clubs or anything else. It's all smoke and mirrors, I don't lose any sleep over it.
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Post by snakelady on Jul 9, 2017 17:25:05 GMT
The thing is, IMO this has been a major business mistake. One thing that is required from a band is reliability. To first do a last electric tour - and then another the next winter is not reliable. To switch formates while tickets are already on sale is not reliable. There is a huge difference between acoustic and electric and those who want to see one don't necessarily will want to see the other. IMO huge damage to their reputation has been done and I can't see how they're going to get out of this .. Maybe cancel the whole UK tour as quickly as possible would at least be damage limitation ? I don't see a way out of this that won't hurt them one way or other. I agree that this is a major problem. If ticket sales were down and they decided to change it to electric, (not taking into consideration whether that was right or wrong) the only way they could get away with it in my view would be to say it was a continuation of the LNOTE tour (due to demand from the fans blah blah blah). I believe the long plan was for them to carry on until 2018 but because of Rick's failing health, only do a few 'specials' and Aquostic shows. However, after they got Ritchie in, they realised they could keep adding more and more shows to increase the pension pot. This continuation of LNOTE could feasibly keep going until their definite retirement but as you say, to change the name of the tour to Live and Plugged in loses all credibility (and maybe is in poor taste? ) That would definitely have been a lot more credible indeed. They could've issued a statement along the lines of ' with venues sold out last winter and numerous fans missing out on the LNOTE experience we've decided to offer them a chance to see the band in full throttle as well and in consequence have expanded the LNOTE tour to this winter .. Downside to it, the set will have to stay the same plus they might want to do more than just this one electric tour in years to come and they won't sell out venues with an unchanged set .. But then again - one step at a time and they'd have another year at least to come up with a new explanation .
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Post by vivfromcov on Jul 9, 2017 18:00:23 GMT
They wouldn't have to keep the same setlist, they could make a multitude of changes.... In fact that might be the carrot to tempt some fans back, but it's never going to happen!
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Post by quodlibet aka granny on Jul 9, 2017 19:40:24 GMT
I thought it was strange how it was originally marketed for Aquostic 2 at W/ton Civic. For the first Aquostic tour it was all seated there, upstairs and down, but the second one was standing downstairs. Now there is not a great amount of balcony seating at the Civic and this time the first few rows facing the stage were reserved for VIP prices as were the front rows to the sides. At the time I could not imagine many punters wanting to stand all evening for an accoustic set while the band was seated. They might have filled it if it was all seated. Even now that it is electric I can't see them filling downstairs standing and they are even offering some standing to the rear of the balcony. They filled it for the FF tours but this is completely different.
The VIP business has got completely out of hand, charging exorbitant prices for "premium" seats with a bit of tat added in and putting off fans when they can't find a decent seat on pre-sale.
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Post by smokie on Jul 9, 2017 22:21:15 GMT
I've said this before but despite all the stick that David Walker received, I genuinely believed that he appreciated, valued and respected the fans. I'm not sure if Simon Porter does to be honest. I've had the feeling for quite some time that his attitude is "we can throw any old rubbish out and those mugs will buy it". The wording of the press release and the change of mind regarding the format of this tour smacks of that. Well, it does anyway. I'm probably wrong though
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Post by mortified on Jul 10, 2017 6:05:14 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors, I don't lose any sleep over it. Which is absolutely true. I'll come round to all of this and probably giggle at the nonsensical nature of it. I'm just a bit hacked off at the moment, not least because an Aquostic ticket was more expensive than an electric one. You couldn't make it up! It's actually funny but I never really blame the individual band members and never have. Francis is pushed forward as the mouthpiece to convey all of the verbal rubbish whether in interview or by 'direct' quote but they are all ultimately in charge of their own destiny and decisions so they aren't totally blameless in that respect. I imagine they just act on advice. But the advice this time is way off. Smoke and mirrors? Crystal clear more like!
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Post by snakelady on Jul 10, 2017 7:26:31 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors, I don't lose any sleep over it. .. an Aquostic ticket was more expensive than an electric one. Indeed our winter tour (seats) tickets are more than double the price than last years electric (standing) ones. I'd be less than happy if they'd consider switching back here too. Thank god, down to the choice of venues - the posh and plush variety - that is impossible, else they might have considered it too.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Jul 13, 2017 11:31:30 GMT
My Aquostic tickets for the UK this winter were only £45....normal price, plus booking fee. The standing and upper circle at Manchester Apollo were £45 and lower circle seats £55. So I'm not sure who's had to pay more than normal for Aquostic tickets but I certainly haven't.
I was looking forward to Aquostic and am a bit disappointed.....but will still go to the electric shows. We now have a Quo rock concert in Manchester with a standing area for the first time in ages....hope they don't change that!!
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Post by snakelady on Jul 14, 2017 8:09:55 GMT
My Aquostic tickets for the UK this winter were only £45....normal price, plus booking fee. The standing and upper circle at Manchester Apollo were £45 and lower circle seats £55. So I'm not sure who's had to pay more than normal for Aquostic tickets but I certainly haven't. I was looking for to Aquostic and am a bit disappointed.....but will still go to the electric shows. We now have a Quo rock concert in Manchester with a standing area for the first time in ages....hope they don't change that!! Well, my acoustic tickets are 138.50€ each, about double the price compared to last winter's electric tickets and those had already been more expensive than usual. Yes, it is an all seated venue that usually caters for classical music and the tickets are second row. Further back cheaper categories were available (2.cat. ca. 100€), but still .. I can well imagine these ticket prices keep away many of the usual gig-goers, but they'll bring in others as well, who usually frequent the venue for operas and the like. Should get interesting. Your having a standing section for an acoustic gig is very strange - but great now that it's been turned into an electric gig. With them not having kept the name LNOTE they've got to change the set too IMVHO. I'd say 'drastically change', but then - it's Quo .. I'll look forward to your gig report !
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Post by problemshalved on Jul 14, 2017 12:12:58 GMT
The annoying thing is Bournemouth which was always standing and one of the best for that reason, was changed to seated for Acoustic. I therefore won't be going now it's changed back to Electric, as if I stand in a seated section there are a large majority who moan as they nowadays prefer to sit until the hits come around. Anyone in a cardigan should be banned😀
My initial impression was that prices were inflated for Acoustic but looking at the prices for Bournemouth it seems to be nothing more than an inflationary rise. Maybe it's the cost of taking a large number of band members to Europe which has led to inflated non UK prices. With the weakness of the pound however as their revenue is in Euros they should be quids in. However I am sure I am over simplifying the whole thing as I am not sure how it works with promoters e.g. Do bands go for guaranteed revenue from the promoter and unsold seats etc is then the promoters problem
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Jul 17, 2017 14:05:55 GMT
The annoying thing is Bournemouth which was always standing and one of the best for that reason, was changed to seated for Acoustic. I therefore won't be going now it's changed back to Electric, as if I stand in a seated section there are a large majority who moan as they nowadays prefer to sit until the hits come around. Anyone in a cardigan should be banned😀My initial impression was that prices were inflated for Acoustic but looking at the prices for Bournemouth it seems to be nothing more than an inflationary rise. Maybe it's the cost of taking a large number of band members to Europe which has led to inflated non UK prices. With the weakness of the pound however as their revenue is in Euros they should be quids in. However I am sure I am over simplifying the whole thing as I am not sure how it works with promoters e.g. Do bands go for guaranteed revenue from the promoter and unsold seats etc is then the promoters problem That's their target audience now! They want us banned as we spoil it for them!!
I think they do....but that's not a guaranteed answer!
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Jul 17, 2017 14:13:17 GMT
My Aquostic tickets for the UK this winter were only £45....normal price, plus booking fee. The standing and upper circle at Manchester Apollo were £45 and lower circle seats £55. So I'm not sure who's had to pay more than normal for Aquostic tickets but I certainly haven't. I was looking for to Aquostic and am a bit disappointed.....but will still go to the electric shows. We now have a Quo rock concert in Manchester with a standing area for the first time in ages....hope they don't change that!! Well, my acoustic tickets are 138.50€ each, about double the price compared to last winter's electric tickets and those had already been more expensive than usual. Yes, it is an all seated venue that usually caters for classical music and the tickets are second row. Further back cheaper categories were available (2.cat. ca. 100€), but still .. I can well imagine these ticket prices keep away many of the usual gig-goers, but they'll bring in others as well, who usually frequent the venue for operas and the like. Should get interesting. Your having a standing section for an acoustic gig is very strange - but great now that it's been turned into an electric gig. With them not having kept the name LNOTE they've got to change the set too IMVHO. I'd say 'drastically change', but then - it's Quo .. I'll look forward to your gig report ! I don't know how things work or what they cost in Germany....or if you're in the Royal Box!....but that sounds really expensive!! I wouldn't pay that.
Yeah it does seem strange that Manchester was standing for Aquostic (the only other time recently was for the frantic Four), and Bournemouth which is always standing is all seated! I don't think they'll be able to change it even though the type of concert has changed either, without refunding tickets and starting again (and they won't do that because some people wouldn't buy tickets again for the electric show).
They definitely won't make big changes to the electric set (especially without Rick on vocals to sing his songs). I'd hope that they'd make a few changes but I'm sure it'll only be recently played Francis songs swapped back in. I don't ever see them making big changes or playing anything new for the rest of their touring days now. The best we can hope for on that front is another Rossi solo tour. Although in my opinion they should let Ritchie sing from this winter onwards (apparently he can) if they're going to keep touring the rock set for a few more years.
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Post by mortified on Jul 24, 2017 5:58:20 GMT
So, if Quo have been doing a small but poignant nod to Rick's passing during the Aquostic gigs, what - if anything - do they do during an electric one?
Recent interviews with Francis would suggest that he's in the 'life goes on' mould and just gets on with it. References to both his parents' funerals is significant on that score. But he's one of five. Others may want to approach things differently.
Just musing.
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Post by snakelady on Jul 24, 2017 6:49:13 GMT
So, if Quo have been doing a small but poignant nod to Rick's passing during the Aquostic gigs, what - if anything - do they do during an electric one? Recent interviews with Francis would suggest that he's in the 'life goes on' mould and just gets on with it. References to both his parents' funerals is significant on that score. But he's one of five. Others may want to approach things differently. Just musing. Maybe Francis simply fears a memorial would be turned into yet another marketing gimmick ? He's seen and disliked enough of those and most of the time merely went along grudgingly accepting the reasoning behind them. Why can't the three of them - Francis, Andy and Rhino not just talk it through and then say 'sod fighting family factions - this is how we want it' and go with it * she asks naively*. Or maybe that's what they've done already and the result is what they did at the acoustic gigs - and the start of DD is meant to be the hint at electric gigs (which I doubt) ?
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Post by pressbutton on Aug 2, 2017 13:15:28 GMT
The annoying thing is Bournemouth which was always standing and one of the best for that reason, was changed to seated for Acoustic. I therefore won't be going now it's changed back to Electric, as if I stand in a seated section there are a large majority who moan as they nowadays prefer to sit until the hits come around. Anyone in a cardigan should be banned😀 My initial impression was that prices were inflated for Acoustic but looking at the prices for Bournemouth it seems to be nothing more than an inflationary rise. Maybe it's the cost of taking a large number of band members to Europe which has led to inflated non UK prices. With the weakness of the pound however as their revenue is in Euros they should be quids in. However I am sure I am over simplifying the whole thing as I am not sure how it works with promoters e.g. Do bands go for guaranteed revenue from the promoter and unsold seats etc is then the promoters problem I am going to Bournemouth (as I do every year) and I am now disappointed that it will be seated, but I will almost certainly stand for the majority of it! And I wear a cardigan, so up yours!
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Post by quodlibet aka granny on Aug 2, 2017 21:45:27 GMT
The annoying thing is Bournemouth which was always standing and one of the best for that reason, was changed to seated for Acoustic. I therefore won't be going now it's changed back to Electric, as if I stand in a seated section there are a large majority who moan as they nowadays prefer to sit until the hits come around. Anyone in a cardigan should be banned😀 My initial impression was that prices were inflated for Acoustic but looking at the prices for Bournemouth it seems to be nothing more than an inflationary rise. Maybe it's the cost of taking a large number of band members to Europe which has led to inflated non UK prices. With the weakness of the pound however as their revenue is in Euros they should be quids in. However I am sure I am over simplifying the whole thing as I am not sure how it works with promoters e.g. Do bands go for guaranteed revenue from the promoter and unsold seats etc is then the promoters problem I am going to Bournemouth (as I do every year) and I am now disappointed that it will be seated, but I will almost certainly stand for the majority of it! And I wear a cardigan, so up yours! Cardigans for Quo!!!! :rr-hbg:
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Post by problemshalved on Aug 3, 2017 16:24:35 GMT
As long as it's a denim Cardigan, that's fine😀
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