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Post by mortified on Jun 19, 2017 14:24:24 GMT
Pretty much sums it up, Inna. For fans anyway. You're right; there is obviously something afoot behind the scenes, whether it's legal, moral, financial or just plain domestic. However, whatever these differences are or whatever needs to be 'settled', they should have been put to one side for half an hour so that a legend could be honoured and paid proper respect - in the public eye. Which is actually quite important. There should have been a representative there from the band. End of. Unless of course members of the current band or indeed representatives were specifically asked to stay away. Hasn't there been a few suggestions recently that relations between RPJ and Frame/Current Line Up isn't that great? In which case I'd argue that it's far more important his son was there instead of his friends and colleagues..... Agreed. Although if I'd known Rick for decades I wouldn't want to be dictated to. Not by anyone.
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Post by snakelady on Jun 19, 2017 17:32:31 GMT
We don't have a clue as to why things have been handled this way and not any differently. As has been said before, all we do is speculate - and express views on how we think it should've been done. Guess we can all agree that it should've been mentioned on the official homepage and that some representative from the Quo camp should have attended. If the band weren't able for whatever reason it could've been Simon Porter or Chris Hewlett even. Personally I'd have considered that sufficient, given that it wasn't that big an occasion, but an official touch would've been nice. It's history now though and can't be changed any more. Instead let's look ahead and hope that the Memorial (gig) is handled better. Or shall we start speculating now why it takes so long to get the announcement. Maybe down to the same frictions that interfered with the selection of attendees at the unveiling of the plaque ?
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Post by smokie on Jun 19, 2017 18:52:52 GMT
It's all speculation as has already been stated earlier in this thread.
To me anyway, it's interesting/concerning/worrying that despite the fact that no-one knows as to why the band did not attend, or, as to why there was no announcement of this on the official site, then it is they/Francis (it's always his fault, isn't it?) who are to blame.
Now, of course, they/he might just be at fault here but then again, they/he might not be.
There could well be another explanation for all of this. I'm reminded of something that Rhino wrote in a previous Tour Log entry.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jun 20, 2017 7:54:34 GMT
It's all speculation as has already been stated earlier in this thread. To me anyway, it's interesting/concerning/worrying that despite the fact that no-one knows as to why the band did not attend, or, as to why there was no announcement of this on the official site, then it is they/Francis (it's always his fault, isn't it?) who are to blame. Now, of course, they/he might just be at fault here but then again, they/he might not be. There could well be another explanation for all of this. I'm reminded of something that Rhino wrote in a previous Tour Log entry. Everything has been Francis fault since 84. So it was never going to change, I don't know the reasons why there seems to be a fall out with Rick's family. Maybe the band have been trying to keep both sides happy. From what I saw on FB the other day one ex wife seems to be at war with his widow.
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Post by mortified on Jun 20, 2017 7:58:39 GMT
It's all speculation as has already been stated earlier in this thread. To me anyway, it's interesting/concerning/worrying that despite the fact that no-one knows as to why the band did not attend, or, as to why there was no announcement of this on the official site, then it is they/Francis (it's always his fault, isn't it?) who are to blame. Now, of course, they/he might just be at fault here but then again, they/he might not be. There could well be another explanation for all of this. I'm reminded of something that Rhino wrote in a previous Tour Log entry. Everything has been Francis fault since 84. So it was never going to change, I don't know the reasons why there seems to be a fall out with Rick's family. Maybe the band have been trying to keep both sides happy. From what I saw on FB the other day one ex wife seems to be at war with his widow. My wife told me that as well. I think Rick might approve; two women fighting over him Although, seriously, that is all a bit sad at this stage, it really is. Sad in the 'get a life and move on' sort of way. I actually blame Francis for a really bad haircut I got in 1995. The stylist called it a French crop but I knew it was Francis's fault. You can't hide these things from me.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jun 20, 2017 8:52:56 GMT
Everything has been Francis fault since 84. So it was never going to change, I don't know the reasons why there seems to be a fall out with Rick's family. Maybe the band have been trying to keep both sides happy. From what I saw on FB the other day one ex wife seems to be at war with his widow. My wife told me that as well. I think Rick might approve; two women fighting over him Although, seriously, that is all a bit sad at this stage, it really is. Sad in the 'get a life and move on' sort of way. I actually blame Francis for a really bad haircut I got in 1995. The stylist called it a French crop but I knew it was Francis's fault. You can't hide these things from me. The really sad thing is that in all this fighting the Twins might end up growing up estranged from their brothers. That would be a terrible shame if that happened.
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Post by smokie on Jun 20, 2017 21:32:11 GMT
My wife told me that as well. I think Rick might approve; two women fighting over him Although, seriously, that is all a bit sad at this stage, it really is. Sad in the 'get a life and move on' sort of way. I actually blame Francis for a really bad haircut I got in 1995. The stylist called it a French crop but I knew it was Francis's fault. You can't hide these things from me. The really sad thing is that in all this fighting the Twins might end up growing up estranged from their brothers. That would be a terrible shame if that happened. Indeed. I don't know what's been said on FB and to be honest, I don't want to know. Sounds like a messy and sad situation.
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Post by snakelady on Jun 21, 2017 7:43:41 GMT
The really sad thing is that in all this fighting the Twins might end up growing up estranged from their brothers. That would be a terrible shame if that happened. Indeed. I don't know what's been said on FB and to be honest, I don't want to know. Sounds like a messy and sad situation. This. Factions of the family fighting would sadly explain a lot. Including two memorial events - or none at all. All Francis fault too, naturally . The band will have to side with one faction and that will have to be Rick's last family, from a legal POV anyway.
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Post by mortified on Jun 21, 2017 8:28:18 GMT
I'm not sure Quo have to side with anyone but I imagine there will be financial and legal issues to sort out. Francis might have a say in some of that being the principal interested party but he'll simply act on advice. Rick's will - if he had one - will also play a part. If that's challenged, it could take quite a long time to resolve. None of which - for me - excuses the fact that there was no official representative from Quo at the unveiling of the plaque. So there. And is it my imagination or does the ex (i.e. Patti) ALWAYS seem to have something to say? I'm told that her preferred method of communication is Facebook. But, from what I hear, she never comes across as very dignified. Not ar$ed either way, frankly. It's just an observation based on rumour, speculation and a complete lifelong misunderstanding of the female of the species.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jun 21, 2017 8:36:23 GMT
I'm not sure Quo have to side with anyone but I imagine there will be financial and legal issues to sort out. Francis might have a say in some of that being the principal interested party but he'll simply act on advice. Rick's will - if he had one - will also play a part. If that's challenged, it could take quite a long time to resolve. None of which - for me - excuses the fact that there was no official representative from Quo at the unveiling of the plaque. So there. And is it my imagination or does the ex (i.e. Patti) ALWAYS seem to have something to say? I'm told that her preferred method of communication is Facebook. But, from what I hear, she never comes across as very dignified. Not ar$ed either way, frankly. It's just an observation based on rumour, speculation and a complete lifelong misunderstanding of the female of the species. Francis did say in one of the recent interviews that he is still helping to sort out his estate. his words "Still looking after him even now he is gone"". Rick was Rick and he was useless with money. God knows what sort of a mess his finances are in and in the meantime we have ex's arguing. Valuable items being taken and supposedly hidden. The band trying to carry on and keep money rolling in to his estate. I know there has been a lot of huffing and puffing about lack of remembering Rick. I wonder though is there now some legal reason why they are not. Don't know why Patty sprouts off like that on FB it's not that dignified as you say. Marietta is very different and Lyndsay seems to be in a finacial mess but who knows exactly goes on. It's all rumour.
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Post by mortified on Jun 21, 2017 10:30:34 GMT
To be fair, I haven't read or listened to all the interviews Francis has given. They tend to get a bit repetitive. Not his fault, of course; that's down to the interviewer. So if he's still trying to help sort out Rick's estate (and I'm not sure why he personally would) then fair enough. He doesn't need the jibes that he'd undoubtedly get at the unveiling.
The band's view might just be 'we'll honour Rick in our own way and in our own time and it'll be more than a sodding plaque in Woking'.
None of us have a clue; only opinions.
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Post by smokie on Jun 21, 2017 12:00:39 GMT
Not surprised to read that regarding Patti.
Obviously I don't know her nor have I ever met her, I'm only going by the things I've heard her say in the past.
Her comments regarding the first Mrs P in a documentary thing were unnecessary, uncalled for and unkind.
In the end though, the comments revealed more about her than they did about Marietta.
Undignified indeed.
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